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Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?

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pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

A mugshot of Eleanor Brown - a woman in her early twenties with dark shoulder length hair and blue eyes.

Eleanor Brown jailed for sharing naked photos of father's lover

Eleanor Brown posted the woman's photos on an escort site as an "act of revenge", a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

OP posts:
Osirus · 23/10/2024 19:05

PearlyQueenie · 22/10/2024 08:14

I find it hard to believe a woman would do this to another woman

The cheek of the marriage/ family destroyer.

I do believe you should be able to take revenge on the OW (after your DH has been thrown out, taken to the cleaners and lost his friends and family). Why should she get off Scott free? I’d have kept it to getting her into trouble at work (if work affair), telling her DH and making sure everyone knew she was morally bankrupt but then I am a very unforgiving person.

Thing is, some things can get you into trouble with the law, so best to stay on the right side.

Anyone stupid enough to send nudes can’t be surprised if they end up being circulated. If someone asked me to send a nude, I’d just say no.

My word. Are you 12?

Vynalbob · 23/10/2024 18:54

No.
If karma is due it's due to be directed at the cheater.

Osirus · 23/10/2024 18:50

AlwaysYoshi · 22/10/2024 03:26

I find the comment by the affair partner/victim a little offputting:
“I find it hard to believe a woman would do this to another woman”

She knowingly had an affair, she knowingly sent nudes that could (and did) get seen by others - did she deserve what happened? No. Did she make poor choices that led to this? Yes.

i think the daughter did deserve jail but it seems disproportionate to receive three years when child sex offenders receive probation or convicted rapists received less time. It doesn’t seem comparable.

I think the long sentence is justified. It’s so easy to commit this sort of crime - just clicking a few buttons and it’s done, but so incredibly damaging.

MustWeDoThis · 23/10/2024 18:48

pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

I find it ironic that the "victim" said the following "I cannot believe that a woman could do this to another woman" - I mean...that is beyond double standards and hypocrisy. She tore another woman's heart apart and that of her female children!

Lollipop81 · 23/10/2024 18:46

AlwaysYoshi · 22/10/2024 03:26

I find the comment by the affair partner/victim a little offputting:
“I find it hard to believe a woman would do this to another woman”

She knowingly had an affair, she knowingly sent nudes that could (and did) get seen by others - did she deserve what happened? No. Did she make poor choices that led to this? Yes.

i think the daughter did deserve jail but it seems disproportionate to receive three years when child sex offenders receive probation or convicted rapists received less time. It doesn’t seem comparable.

Totally agree with this. Yes she was totally in the wrong but 3 years. Huw Edward’s didn’t get a prison sentence for what he did. Doesn’t make sense.

skyscrapersinging · 23/10/2024 18:37

She sounds positively unhinged. As does OP for suggesting that it sounds a reasonable course to take. Why didn’t she also blame Dad? Or is it only women that are to blame for men’s bad behaviour?

Butchyrestingface · 23/10/2024 18:29

ItsFreedomBabyYeah · 23/10/2024 17:43

As the wife of someone whose DH had an affair, I am embarrassed to say I behaved in a manner I never thought I would. Until it happens to you or your family, you cannot judge.

Oh aye, quite so. I imagine that's the attitude Gisèle Pelicot's husband was hoping people would take about what HE did to her. After all, she cheated him on him in the 1980s.

Another2Cats · 23/10/2024 18:29

Dervel · 23/10/2024 17:38

I have reflected on a cognitive dissonance I have with all of this which I have to separate. On the one hand revenge porn really pisses me off, in cases of ex boyfriends or whomever. It doesn’t raise my rage as much in this instance, because I have some sympathy for the daughter. Plus an empathy for her hurt and rage. Intellectually I know it’s illegal/harms the victim, so it SHOULD be adjudicated on that basis.

I guess there is something in me that has less sympathy in seeing people who wreck families when they face some sort of consequence for their actions. I rather suspect that if the “escort” photos had been cropped to imply nudity without actually showing it I’d probably think “fair enough, probably taking it a bit far and it’s still not especially healthy behaviour for the daughter to have done it, but I get how she feels”.

Would I have given her 3 years? Possibly not, and if I was sat on a Jury where that sort of reprimand was on the table I’d be tempted to nullify. On the other hand if you were to ask me is posting nude pictures of anyone publicly online ever justified? I’d answer unequivocally no, so what I SHOULD do as a juror is actually very clear indeed.

"It doesn’t raise my rage as much in this instance, because I have some sympathy for the daughter."

I presume that you are talking about the daughter of the victim here? Who was targeted by the offender and, as the judge said in the sentencing remarks:

“One of the most egregious and vindictive aspects of this case is that you took the time to draft a lengthy and vitriolic message to their daughter. You sought to drag her into your unhappy existence which was shameful.”

Or are you perhaps siding with the offender and victim blaming?

sumayyah · 23/10/2024 18:17

Nope not acceptable at all ever

My father cheated on my mother from when we were little kids, found out as older teens

When I met her first thing she said was how much I look like my mum and told me not to blame my dad as she chased after him....... don't worry love, enough blame for you both because a. My dad made vows to my mother, if he wasn't happy he could have just left her and b. You admit you chased after a married man
But while I think what they did to my mum was vile revenge porn is lower than a snakes belly

AnnieSnap · 23/10/2024 18:16

It isn’t the OW who tears a family apart, it’s the actions of the cheating spouse.

ShinyShona · 23/10/2024 18:11

Dervel · 23/10/2024 17:38

I have reflected on a cognitive dissonance I have with all of this which I have to separate. On the one hand revenge porn really pisses me off, in cases of ex boyfriends or whomever. It doesn’t raise my rage as much in this instance, because I have some sympathy for the daughter. Plus an empathy for her hurt and rage. Intellectually I know it’s illegal/harms the victim, so it SHOULD be adjudicated on that basis.

I guess there is something in me that has less sympathy in seeing people who wreck families when they face some sort of consequence for their actions. I rather suspect that if the “escort” photos had been cropped to imply nudity without actually showing it I’d probably think “fair enough, probably taking it a bit far and it’s still not especially healthy behaviour for the daughter to have done it, but I get how she feels”.

Would I have given her 3 years? Possibly not, and if I was sat on a Jury where that sort of reprimand was on the table I’d be tempted to nullify. On the other hand if you were to ask me is posting nude pictures of anyone publicly online ever justified? I’d answer unequivocally no, so what I SHOULD do as a juror is actually very clear indeed.

I don't think it matters who the perpetrator was, the impact on the victim is the same. So the sentence should be the same.

InterIgnis · 23/10/2024 18:04

ItsFreedomBabyYeah · 23/10/2024 17:43

As the wife of someone whose DH had an affair, I am embarrassed to say I behaved in a manner I never thought I would. Until it happens to you or your family, you cannot judge.

Does the same apply to a woman that is an OW? Or a cheating husband? What if they’re behaving in way they never thought they would, because of X, Y, or Z trauma?

No, you absolutely can judge. The majority of criminals, or just people that have done something deemed bad, have a reason for why they acted as they did, but that doesn’t mean they’re not responsible for their actions and cannot be held accountable for them.

Notellinganyone · 23/10/2024 18:00

Regardless of your views, committing adultery is not illegal. The daughters behaved appallingly and deserved what they got.

Gloriia · 23/10/2024 17:54

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 23/10/2024 16:58

This is the problem, certain posters want to lower the sentencing bar for this offence rather than raising it for other crimes.

I'm sure these posters would feel differently if it was their family being harassed, nude photos of them being posted and someone attempting to ruin their husband's business.

I wouldn't feel differently about everything, I would be immensely pissed off if anyone close to me who had shared online nudes then had them reposted publicly in an attempt to harass. I instill in our dc to be incredibly mindful and careful for this very reason that once you press send you lose control.

That said if someone with an axe to grind did indeed circulate publicly such images I would want and expect the police to be involved but for the sentence to be community hours, rehab/therapy and a tag. I would not want anyone who didn't have any previous convictions going to prison fo 3 years for such a low level, albeit unpleasant, offence.

ItsFreedomBabyYeah · 23/10/2024 17:43

As the wife of someone whose DH had an affair, I am embarrassed to say I behaved in a manner I never thought I would. Until it happens to you or your family, you cannot judge.

Dervel · 23/10/2024 17:38

I have reflected on a cognitive dissonance I have with all of this which I have to separate. On the one hand revenge porn really pisses me off, in cases of ex boyfriends or whomever. It doesn’t raise my rage as much in this instance, because I have some sympathy for the daughter. Plus an empathy for her hurt and rage. Intellectually I know it’s illegal/harms the victim, so it SHOULD be adjudicated on that basis.

I guess there is something in me that has less sympathy in seeing people who wreck families when they face some sort of consequence for their actions. I rather suspect that if the “escort” photos had been cropped to imply nudity without actually showing it I’d probably think “fair enough, probably taking it a bit far and it’s still not especially healthy behaviour for the daughter to have done it, but I get how she feels”.

Would I have given her 3 years? Possibly not, and if I was sat on a Jury where that sort of reprimand was on the table I’d be tempted to nullify. On the other hand if you were to ask me is posting nude pictures of anyone publicly online ever justified? I’d answer unequivocally no, so what I SHOULD do as a juror is actually very clear indeed.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 23/10/2024 16:58

NewGreenDuck · 23/10/2024 14:53

Just because other sentences seem very light there is no reason why this crime should not be viewed seriously with an appropriate sentence. Campaign for other offences to receive harsher sentences by all means, but I think this one was correct.

This is the problem, certain posters want to lower the sentencing bar for this offence rather than raising it for other crimes.

I'm sure these posters would feel differently if it was their family being harassed, nude photos of them being posted and someone attempting to ruin their husband's business.

kkloo · 23/10/2024 16:27

Gloriia · 23/10/2024 09:33

When was she instigating a possible serious violent crime?

As I keep on saying prison should be for those who have committed serious and or violent crimes. Online harassment and posting nudes without consent is neither.

Our judicial system including sentencing needs a massive review.

In your opinion they are not serious crimes.
Many of the rest of us do think that they are serious crimes.

And I would imagine sentencing will only become more harsh for those type of crimes, not less.

ShinyShona · 23/10/2024 16:25

Gloriia · 23/10/2024 16:20

No. I think armed robbery, knife crime, drug crime, paedophilia, rape, murder, manslaughter, dv to be serious crimes.

This was wrong but 3yrs custodial is absolutely crazy. I wonder if the judge is ok when he let a paedophiles off with community hours and rehab?

Judges follow laws and sentencing guidelines. They don't just make things up as they go along.

3 years is absolutely the right sentence for someone who commits a sex offence, pleads not guilty and shows no remorse whatsoever. And under current guidelines she will probably be out in less than 15 months.

Gloriia · 23/10/2024 16:20

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 23/10/2024 14:46

As I keep on saying prison should be for those who have committed serious and or violent crimes. Online harassment and posting nudes without consent is neither.

You don't think they are serious crimes?

No. I think armed robbery, knife crime, drug crime, paedophilia, rape, murder, manslaughter, dv to be serious crimes.

This was wrong but 3yrs custodial is absolutely crazy. I wonder if the judge is ok when he let a paedophiles off with community hours and rehab?

NewGreenDuck · 23/10/2024 14:53

Just because other sentences seem very light there is no reason why this crime should not be viewed seriously with an appropriate sentence. Campaign for other offences to receive harsher sentences by all means, but I think this one was correct.

euff · 23/10/2024 14:50

Posting nudes without consent is a serious crime. It should never not be a serious crime.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 23/10/2024 14:46

As I keep on saying prison should be for those who have committed serious and or violent crimes. Online harassment and posting nudes without consent is neither.

You don't think they are serious crimes?

ShinyShona · 23/10/2024 13:19

TimTamTime · 23/10/2024 13:02

The sentence seems totally disproportionate given that possession of images of child sexual abuse gets you a suspended sentence. Can't help suspecting that is a man did this they would get a far lesser sentence.

What a ridiculous thing to say. If a man did this and then lied about it, didn't plead guilty, forced the victims to provide evidence, made threatening phone calls and showed no remorse then, barring the smallest discretion by a judge, the sentencing guidelines would reach much the same outcome.

TimTamTime · 23/10/2024 13:02

The sentence seems totally disproportionate given that possession of images of child sexual abuse gets you a suspended sentence. Can't help suspecting that is a man did this they would get a far lesser sentence.

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