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Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?

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pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

A mugshot of Eleanor Brown - a woman in her early twenties with dark shoulder length hair and blue eyes.

Eleanor Brown jailed for sharing naked photos of father's lover

Eleanor Brown posted the woman's photos on an escort site as an "act of revenge", a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

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Pliudev · 24/10/2024 10:31

User19876536484 · 24/10/2024 09:37

Somebody said the same thing a couple of days ago which prompted me to check.

I found this.

“Women are sentenced less frequently than men to prison or probation (13 and 3 percentage points less frequently, respectively). Prison and probation sentences are also shorter (18 days shorter for prison and 4 days shorter for probation) and suspended prison sentences longer (8 days) for women.”

https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/209890205/Gendergap.pdf

Now that is interesting. It's the opposite of what I thought. Thank you for drawing my attention. I still wonder about the offences though.

User19876536484 · 24/10/2024 09:37

Pliudev · 24/10/2024 09:28

Really? That’s interesting. Are the offences comparable? Aren't more women suffering from intimidation or have mental health issues? I apologise if I'm wrong but thought I'd read that it was the case.

Somebody said the same thing a couple of days ago which prompted me to check.

I found this.

“Women are sentenced less frequently than men to prison or probation (13 and 3 percentage points less frequently, respectively). Prison and probation sentences are also shorter (18 days shorter for prison and 4 days shorter for probation) and suspended prison sentences longer (8 days) for women.”

https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/209890205/Gendergap.pdf

https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/209890205/Gender_gap.pdf

Gloriia · 24/10/2024 09:34

Pliudev · 24/10/2024 08:54

Given the over crowding in prisons and the release of prisoners to ease it, what, really, is the point of this lengthy sentence? Obviously, the woman behaved badly, as did her sister who lost her job, and her mother. But there ought to be a better way of dealing with this and a suspended sentence with counselling would seem to me to have been a better solution since, in those circumstances, it's unlikely the offence would be repeated. I agree with those who have pointed out that women are sentenced much more severely than men and this should be rectified. The system should not be about carrying out revenge on behalf of the victim but about protecting society.

On another point, why do people allow their lovers to take naked photographs of them? And why are they so surprised when said photos emerge at a later date?

Exactly.

Pliudev · 24/10/2024 09:28

User19876536484 · 24/10/2024 09:06

I agree with those who have pointed out that women are sentenced much more severely than men and this should be rectified.

This is not the case. Women are sentenced (slightly) more leniently then men.

Really? That’s interesting. Are the offences comparable? Aren't more women suffering from intimidation or have mental health issues? I apologise if I'm wrong but thought I'd read that it was the case.

User19876536484 · 24/10/2024 09:06

I agree with those who have pointed out that women are sentenced much more severely than men and this should be rectified.

This is not the case. Women are sentenced (slightly) more leniently then men.

mrlistersgelfbride · 24/10/2024 09:06

No. It's pathetic and outrageous.
Have a bit of fucking dignity and foresight.

Lives are ruined, one daughter is in prison, one has lost her career, and the marriage isn't even over!
If I was that woman's mother I'd be seriously regretting about my life choices.

Pliudev · 24/10/2024 08:54

Given the over crowding in prisons and the release of prisoners to ease it, what, really, is the point of this lengthy sentence? Obviously, the woman behaved badly, as did her sister who lost her job, and her mother. But there ought to be a better way of dealing with this and a suspended sentence with counselling would seem to me to have been a better solution since, in those circumstances, it's unlikely the offence would be repeated. I agree with those who have pointed out that women are sentenced much more severely than men and this should be rectified. The system should not be about carrying out revenge on behalf of the victim but about protecting society.

On another point, why do people allow their lovers to take naked photographs of them? And why are they so surprised when said photos emerge at a later date?

KungFuKitten · 24/10/2024 08:48

I think the people involved with the affair were either very close friends of the family or were related in some way which explains The level of rage and jealousy involved. I think this affair was a secret for a long time before it came to light .

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 24/10/2024 08:38

People need to stop referring to revenge porn as low level crime. It isn’t.

And frankly after over a decade where the couple have remained married there’s nothing to avenge.

If you can’t deal with the fact your partner has cheated then you can quite understandably leave. But if you choose not to then that means you move forward, it doesn’t give you the punish those who played a part over ten years ago. If you find you can’t move forward then you leave.

Gloriia · 24/10/2024 08:16

Ponoka7 · 23/10/2024 19:33

Did you read the story under it?
Suspended sentence for the sexual abuse of a six year old. I read violent/sexually abusive men walking free from court, or getting only months in prison, while non violent women get years.
https://www.gazetteherald.co.uk/news/18887151.man-sentenced-sexually-assaulting-six-year-old/

Apparently we mustn't comment on the lenient sentencing given to paedophiles and other sex offenders

Instead we must campaign for more appropriate sentences for men who commit serious offences and not comment on judges who pass extreme sentences on women, giving custodial sentences for first time low level offending.

Tbh, I think rather than it being the responsibility of mumsnetters to start a campaign these very highly paid judges should demonstrate some common sense and consistency when passing sentences.

LaDamaDeElche · 24/10/2024 08:12

No, I’d be most angry with my dad, but I wouldn’t take revenge on anyone. I’d support my mother to help her move on. I can’t believe a woman would do that to another woman. I thought it was only men who used revenge porn. I actually think that’s gross what she did.

Ponoka7 · 24/10/2024 08:10

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 23/10/2024 21:02

The fact that he was given a suspended sentence is disgusting. It doesn't mean the sentence given to Brown is wrong though. Her sentence shouldn't be reduced, other sentences should be increased.

But sentences for violent and abusive men are completely disproportionate to non violent women. It might seem ok to be calling for long custodial sentences on women, but it's becoming the norm. Judges look at sentencing in general to guide them, there's obvious bias happening because of a lack of male prison places. We are now living with justice not being done, or seen to be done. A short sentence and using house arrest would have been more appropriate and less costly, all round.

CommonAsMucklowe · 24/10/2024 07:40

Pathetic family. Sounds like a folie á trois!

kkloo · 23/10/2024 23:48

Gloriia · 23/10/2024 17:54

I wouldn't feel differently about everything, I would be immensely pissed off if anyone close to me who had shared online nudes then had them reposted publicly in an attempt to harass. I instill in our dc to be incredibly mindful and careful for this very reason that once you press send you lose control.

That said if someone with an axe to grind did indeed circulate publicly such images I would want and expect the police to be involved but for the sentence to be community hours, rehab/therapy and a tag. I would not want anyone who didn't have any previous convictions going to prison fo 3 years for such a low level, albeit unpleasant, offence.

It's not low level, it can cause significant trauma, just like other sex crimes.

Katej82 · 23/10/2024 22:39

pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

No I wouldn't even though I think I'd be extremely angry and upset, because it's not just one party who's at fault also it's just degrading and terribly wrong, the ow right or wrong has a family, children, privacy that is her human right. The affair was back in 2010 so this girl has planned revenge for years, she set up an escort account as ow with the images of ow with the ow husband's contact number, this is far beyond sharing images of ow naked which is bad enough. It seems when the affair happened this woman was a teenager at the time so there is some understanding as to why she'd feel like getting revenge, perhaps she's fixated on the fact this woman has ruined her life but why not blame her dad! perhaps it's really disturbed her at that time and maybe if she'd received counselling and support then it may never have happened. But I think she deserves to do prison time it's a dreadful thing she's done no matter what the ow did you can't break the law to make it right.

Thefsm · 23/10/2024 22:23

Nope. Never justified to do that to another woman.

I am the wronged wife in my own story and I considered putting up posters around their work outing their behavior but realised the only one it damages is me. I did nothing. In petty moments I imagine sending their texts to future employers of her etc. but I never even confronted her or met her.

revenge hurts you more than the other person. Hate is such a bitter emotion to keep inside. Better released so you can stop thinking about it.

EmeraldA129 · 23/10/2024 21:56

DiddyRa · 22/10/2024 03:00

Yep let’s blame other women instead of the men. Sounds about right. Those poor little helpless men just can’t help shagging around.

Came here to say this

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 23/10/2024 21:02

Ponoka7 · 23/10/2024 19:33

Did you read the story under it?
Suspended sentence for the sexual abuse of a six year old. I read violent/sexually abusive men walking free from court, or getting only months in prison, while non violent women get years.
https://www.gazetteherald.co.uk/news/18887151.man-sentenced-sexually-assaulting-six-year-old/

The fact that he was given a suspended sentence is disgusting. It doesn't mean the sentence given to Brown is wrong though. Her sentence shouldn't be reduced, other sentences should be increased.

Niceandkneesy · 23/10/2024 20:27

No, I don’t think it’s fair . . .
a) mother using the daughter to exact revenge is perverse
b) harboring resentment for over 12 years is sad and disturbing
c) aiming vitriolic harassment at innocent OW’s child is not acceptable
d) posting private photos on public forum advertising sex is sick and twisted
and finally, 2 family members worked for the police, how did they not know this would be illegal, is beyond belief.

excepting the affair happened . . . 12 years ago, why no opprobrium been levelled at the father?

sorry but it’s symptomatic of a fucked up family.

Ponoka7 · 23/10/2024 19:33

Resitinas · 23/10/2024 10:32

Maybe if she'd been the least bit remorseful. But she wasn't. So, no. Prison is absolutely the right course of action.

Did you read the story under it?
Suspended sentence for the sexual abuse of a six year old. I read violent/sexually abusive men walking free from court, or getting only months in prison, while non violent women get years.
https://www.gazetteherald.co.uk/news/18887151.man-sentenced-sexually-assaulting-six-year-old/

Man sentenced for sexually assaulting six-year-old

A man who committed sex offences against a six-year-old girl has today been given a suspended sentence.

https://www.gazetteherald.co.uk/news/18887151.man-sentenced-sexually-assaulting-six-year-old

FracturedRainbowRed · 23/10/2024 19:28

It happened to mine. My parents when I was a child and later my own marriage. I would never do this. I didn't even lower myself to slanging matches because that's what he would have wanted. If I'd acted unhinged he could happily lay the blame for the affair at my feet. I'd never give him the satisfaction.
I understand though when women verbally lash out, let cars etc. it's not right but I get the anger.
This wasn't a spur of the moment actually of vengeance. It took planning. It is a sex based crime. That is never right. I feel for the daughter, I really do, she should have been given better emotional support than she was

GimmeHRT · 23/10/2024 19:24

So the mother supplied the photos and sister wound her up? The mother and sister need to take responsibility for this. Sister has left police force.

meanwhile dad was letting this all happen around him?

clearly this is a family with issues

FracturedRainbowRed · 23/10/2024 19:23

She did wrong, absolutely, but I agree that a woman doing that to another woman is reprehensible. We have enough sexual crimes committed against us by men already. Did dad's d*ck pics end up out there? Because I'll guarantee he sent some if she's sending nudes too. And that woman didn't break the family on her own, he is 50% accountable. My ex husband cheated on me. I have no love for the woman believe me but at the end of the day he is the one that cheated on me. He lied to me. She's accountable as well but i would never degrade myself by showing they hurt me. Head high. Move on. And my kids never heard me bad mouth their father. They were free to make their own decisions in their own relationship with their father. They have no contact now because he showed where his priorities lie. I didn't have to do anything except have some dignity and self respect and let his chickens come home to roost

FracturedRainbowRed · 23/10/2024 19:15

NO!!! That's not even a consideration! It's never an option. It's sick.
She doesn't have to like her. She is welcome to hate her. That's fine (although I'm wondering why more blame isn't being levelled at her father here) but to put another woman's body on display for men to utilise as they see fit for their own little wnk fantasies is wrong on so many levels. Those images will be out there forever. You don't know who has them, how widespread they are. It's a sick thing to do to another woman. Plus the daughter ends up with a criminal record - related to sex offences. Career options now limited. What a waste. All because dad couldn't keep it in his pants. Honestly though, what were the sister and mother doing encouraging this ridiculousness???
Marriages end, affairs happen. It's utter sh
t, it's heartbreaking but this kind of "retribution"? Never the answer

kkloo · 23/10/2024 19:09

MustWeDoThis · 23/10/2024 18:48

I find it ironic that the "victim" said the following "I cannot believe that a woman could do this to another woman" - I mean...that is beyond double standards and hypocrisy. She tore another woman's heart apart and that of her female children!

Well I think the difference there is that when a lot of people cheat they're doing it for fun and pleasure and because they enjoy the connection with the other person. The selfishness of course can cause a huge amount of pain and trauma for the ones who were cheated on but their actions aren't coming from a place of trying to hurt or harm someone.

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