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Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?

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pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

A mugshot of Eleanor Brown - a woman in her early twenties with dark shoulder length hair and blue eyes.

Eleanor Brown jailed for sharing naked photos of father's lover

Eleanor Brown posted the woman's photos on an escort site as an "act of revenge", a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

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DifficultBloodyWoman · 22/10/2024 05:34

Greenfinch7 · 22/10/2024 03:48

@DifficultBloodyWoman I haven't read it all very carefully, but I can say from experience that the damage done to a girl or young woman by her father having an affair can be very profound and very painful. It is natural for her to hate the OW because it is too hard to hate a parent.

Her feelings of hatred may be natural but her actions were not.

As a society, we cannot judge people on their feelings. We do judge them on their actions.

Sethera · 22/10/2024 05:30

According to the article, the phone number posted on the escort site belonged to the OW's husband (innocent party) and she also send a long, threatening message to the OW's daughter (innocent party) so I don't have much sympathy for her.

orangegato · 22/10/2024 05:29

olympicsrock · 22/10/2024 04:10

The act was very wrong but the sentence was too long.
I have been that angry young woman whose father cheated . I hated the OW ( a family friend) with a vengeance. She wasn’t sorry for tearing my family apart and encouraging my father to abuse my mother.
I sought revenge ( sent junk mail with a horrible ‘nickname’ on ) and shared her number for cold callers about products for the elderly. Nothing sexual .
It was meant to piss them both off . It did and this gave me pleasure.

Wow, not your dad who cheated then??? Mind blowing and petty harassment. Sentence not long enough. Blokes conveniently barely impacted…

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 22/10/2024 05:25

If this is the kind of woman the mother is I don’t blame the bloke for cheating.

As much as there are children who are hurt by affairs there are just as many who are destroyed by the bitter ex.

As much as I don’t condone cheating affairs often aren’t black and white.

I know at least two families where the children went to live with the father and the OW and ultimately cut contact with the mother because of her constant need for bitter revenge and her insistence that the dc follow.

And no. Being cheated on isn’t a valid reason. And yes, I have been cheated on.

ItsReallyShitingUp · 22/10/2024 04:32

Men’s prisons are too full from all of the offending men out there, so they get short or no sentences, let out early to let new men in, and so on, They benefit from the collective shittiness of their biological sex.

kkloo · 22/10/2024 04:29

fragrantdisregard · 22/10/2024 03:59

No excuses for the father, but I wouldn't lose sleep pitying the OW in this case, either.

As a PP has said, children (even adult children) often have trouble viewing their parents objectively. There are many cases where one parent (usually the father) has been convicted of murdering the other parent, yet one or more of their children refuses to accept the overwhelming evidence of guilt. It's too painful. Unwillingness to cut off or otherwise 'punish' their father to the same degree as the OW is the same thing, on a smaller scale.

For all you know maybe the OW grew up in a home where there was cheating and it was that trauma that caused her to behave in destructive ways by cheating herself!

pilates · 22/10/2024 04:28

Completely deranged and look how’s it ended up.

oakleaffy · 22/10/2024 04:22

euff · 22/10/2024 03:25

Just re read it. The police officer daughter contacting the OW's daughter and threatening her was not okay or fair. She didn't do anything wrong.

The woman in the OP's pic looks hard faced. Not much kindness in that visage.
Dysfunctional as someone else said.

olympicsrock · 22/10/2024 04:10

The act was very wrong but the sentence was too long.
I have been that angry young woman whose father cheated . I hated the OW ( a family friend) with a vengeance. She wasn’t sorry for tearing my family apart and encouraging my father to abuse my mother.
I sought revenge ( sent junk mail with a horrible ‘nickname’ on ) and shared her number for cold callers about products for the elderly. Nothing sexual .
It was meant to piss them both off . It did and this gave me pleasure.

mandarindreams · 22/10/2024 04:01

Absolutely not. Setting aside all the other comments about who your anger should really be directed at, this is revenge porn just as much as an ex doing it because of a relationship breakdown.

LittleBitAlexisLaLaLaLaLa · 22/10/2024 04:00

The other woman didn’t deserve this to happen to her, nor did her husband or her teenage daughter who were also dragged into this nasty messy revenge. I feel very sorry for all of them. Especially the young daughter.

The mother and sister should have received the same sentence imo. Especially the mother who dragged her daughters into this instead of either getting over her husband’s affair or ditching him. But instead she stayed, waited several years and then got her daughters involved resulting in one being jailed for a sexual offence and the other one’s career is over. Great mum right there.

fragrantdisregard · 22/10/2024 03:59

No excuses for the father, but I wouldn't lose sleep pitying the OW in this case, either.

As a PP has said, children (even adult children) often have trouble viewing their parents objectively. There are many cases where one parent (usually the father) has been convicted of murdering the other parent, yet one or more of their children refuses to accept the overwhelming evidence of guilt. It's too painful. Unwillingness to cut off or otherwise 'punish' their father to the same degree as the OW is the same thing, on a smaller scale.

Boobygravy · 22/10/2024 03:56

The sentence she got was longer because she didn’t plead guilty immediately and forced the victims to go to trial.
If she had accepted her guilt immediately there’s every chance she would have got a much shorter custodial sentence or perhaps community sentence depending on the sentencing guidelines.
However, I don’t believe a man would have got such a long sentence, women are always held to higher standards than men even by judges.

kkloo · 22/10/2024 03:54

DifficultBloodyWoman · 22/10/2024 03:43

There may well be an element of that but revenge porn is mostly carried out by exes. And exes can claim that they acted in the heat of an argument, spur of the moment, it was a crime of passion, blah, blah, blah. Crappy defences but accepted by the courts as mitigation nonetheless.

This woman took her time, conspired with others, actively sort out opportunities to cause harm, used pre meditation and, as the police and judge said, showed a shocking lack of remorse.

That is also a factor in her longer than usual sentence.

They also said that the lack of remorse she showed was staggering and that she was extremely unapologetic.

She changed her plea to guilty half way through the trial so she got no credit for that either because she forced the victim to give evidence.

I would imagine she is seen as a high risk of offending towards the victim also due to the extreme level of hate so I'm sure that played a part also.

HoppingPavlova · 22/10/2024 03:51

And what act of revenge did she enact on her father? I’m guessing he was happily innocent in the whole thing, so no need for that?

kkloo · 22/10/2024 03:49

CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 22/10/2024 03:03

Well she's ended up with a long prison sentence and her sister has lost her job, all for an affair that ended over 12 years ago. Sounds like everyone's lives are totally destroyed except for the man who had the affair in the first place.

Definitely, and considering the man and his wife still seem to be together I would bet anything that he did the whole 'she threw herself at me' and so on and played the victim and made everyone believe that it was all the OW fault and he was her poor innocent victim. The article said the daughter had turned the other woman into a caricature and we see that on here all the time in relation to the OW.

I would worry about the OW's safety tbh as I would imagine the hate that the family have for now is even worse.

Greenfinch7 · 22/10/2024 03:48

@DifficultBloodyWoman I haven't read it all very carefully, but I can say from experience that the damage done to a girl or young woman by her father having an affair can be very profound and very painful. It is natural for her to hate the OW because it is too hard to hate a parent.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 22/10/2024 03:43

Greenfinch7 · 22/10/2024 03:38

The CPS guidance is a 6 month term for sharing nude photos without consent. I can't find a record of any man being jailed for 3 years for a similar offence, and think how many men share photos without consent. She is being treated harshly because she is a woman.

There may well be an element of that but revenge porn is mostly carried out by exes. And exes can claim that they acted in the heat of an argument, spur of the moment, it was a crime of passion, blah, blah, blah. Crappy defences but accepted by the courts as mitigation nonetheless.

This woman took her time, conspired with others, actively sort out opportunities to cause harm, used pre meditation and, as the police and judge said, showed a shocking lack of remorse.

That is also a factor in her longer than usual sentence.

ImustLearn2Cook · 22/10/2024 03:42

In a way I really feel for this young woman. Her mother and her sister (a police constable) egged her on.

I think that has been a significant influence.

As a mother, there is no way that I would involve my daughters in my own marital issues with their dad. It’s toxic and damaging.

And I wonder if having the endorsement from a sister who is a member of the police force made her feel that she was justified and perhaps legally allowed.

Of course the father should not have had an affair in the first place and then kept naked pictures of this woman.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/10/2024 03:41

My first thought was also about people, who view child sex abuse images getting non custodial sentences. I think the AIBU vote would be very different were question, do you think this is disproportionate when rapists and viewers of category A child sex images get let off with slap on the wrists or less time. I can’t vote YANBU for this question.

Greenfinch7 · 22/10/2024 03:38

The CPS guidance is a 6 month term for sharing nude photos without consent. I can't find a record of any man being jailed for 3 years for a similar offence, and think how many men share photos without consent. She is being treated harshly because she is a woman.

PyongyangKipperbang · 22/10/2024 03:35

AlwaysYoshi · 22/10/2024 03:26

I find the comment by the affair partner/victim a little offputting:
“I find it hard to believe a woman would do this to another woman”

She knowingly had an affair, she knowingly sent nudes that could (and did) get seen by others - did she deserve what happened? No. Did she make poor choices that led to this? Yes.

i think the daughter did deserve jail but it seems disproportionate to receive three years when child sex offenders receive probation or convicted rapists received less time. It doesn’t seem comparable.

The irony of that comment is....something else. So her knowingly having an affair with a married man was not a woman hurting another woman?

And I also agree that a sentence far longer than most child sex offenders and rapists (of whom there are very very few who even have to go to court, much less convicted) is not on. Just proves the sexism and misogyny in the "justice" system.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 22/10/2024 03:34

AlwaysYoshi · 22/10/2024 03:26

I find the comment by the affair partner/victim a little offputting:
“I find it hard to believe a woman would do this to another woman”

She knowingly had an affair, she knowingly sent nudes that could (and did) get seen by others - did she deserve what happened? No. Did she make poor choices that led to this? Yes.

i think the daughter did deserve jail but it seems disproportionate to receive three years when child sex offenders receive probation or convicted rapists received less time. It doesn’t seem comparable.

i think the daughter did deserve jail but it seems disproportionate to receive three years when child sex offenders receive probation or convicted rapists received less time. It doesn’t seem comparable.

I agree with this but the answer isn’t that this woman was given a long sentence for her crimes, it is that rapists and sex offenders are given sentences that are unfairly, disproportionately, outrageously short.

AGoingConcern · 22/10/2024 03:33

No. This isn’t any better than a man who posts revenge porn because his girlfriend dumped him. It’s a sex crime, and it would make you by far the worst person in the situation.

The mother and sister should have been charged as well.

ChampagneLassie · 22/10/2024 03:28

no I certainly wouldn’t, even when I was a teenager I was very clear that blame for an affair lies with the one doing the cheating - ie her father. This woman’s actions are mad, 12 years after the affair? Really good that she got a prison sentence hopefully this acts as a deterrent to anyone thinking of doing similar

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