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Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?

487 replies

pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

A mugshot of Eleanor Brown - a woman in her early twenties with dark shoulder length hair and blue eyes.

Eleanor Brown jailed for sharing naked photos of father's lover

Eleanor Brown posted the woman's photos on an escort site as an "act of revenge", a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

OP posts:
Tink3rbell30 · 22/10/2024 09:32

FeedingThem · 22/10/2024 09:28

Ok, so twenty odd years ago the ow had an affair, and a reasonable revenge, in your opinion, is to share the naked photos on a public platform, harass the ow's child and husband causing them stress and trying to damage the family business.

So what revenge should the adult daughter and husband take on Eleanor? I'm guessing the punishment she gets is adequate for the OW's revenge but perhaps the husband can arrange for Eleanor to be photographed naked in the shower and he can post these online? Perhaps the daughter can arrange for her to be beat up? Actions have consequences after all

No I don't agree with it, silly type of revenge and it backfired. But yes there should be consequences to this sort of behaviour.

Bumcake · 22/10/2024 09:32

Sethera · 22/10/2024 05:30

According to the article, the phone number posted on the escort site belonged to the OW's husband (innocent party) and she also send a long, threatening message to the OW's daughter (innocent party) so I don't have much sympathy for her.

I didn’t realise that the OW’s husband was a pimp! Or do you mean the phone number was his, not the site?

Everyone involved sounds dreadful. The mother who forgave her cheating partner and then spent a dozen years winding up her daughters about it might well be the worst of the bunch.

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:30

'Seems pretty fair all said and done'

Yes absolutely very fair, release domestic abusers early, give men community hours for far worse crimes <as posted upthread> yet give this women a massive custodial sentence for sharing nudes online of an ow without consent Confused.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 22/10/2024 09:30

She also sent abusive messages to the OWs daughter.

So to someone in exactly the same position as her, ie a child whose parent cheated on their other parent?

I'm sure she'd have taken it well if that daughter had sent her abusive messages 🙄

Chickenspeckandcluckaroud · 22/10/2024 09:28

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:26

How on earth is she a risk to others.

A custodial service is absolutely batshit. I hope they appeal her sentence.

She is an unremorseful sex offender. She poses the risk of further sex offences, obviously.

FeedingThem · 22/10/2024 09:28

Tink3rbell30 · 22/10/2024 08:36

Revenge is fair game, actions have consequences and she should get what she deserves. Got to be better than that though as that one obviously backfired.

Ok, so twenty odd years ago the ow had an affair, and a reasonable revenge, in your opinion, is to share the naked photos on a public platform, harass the ow's child and husband causing them stress and trying to damage the family business.

So what revenge should the adult daughter and husband take on Eleanor? I'm guessing the punishment she gets is adequate for the OW's revenge but perhaps the husband can arrange for Eleanor to be photographed naked in the shower and he can post these online? Perhaps the daughter can arrange for her to be beat up? Actions have consequences after all

SanctuaryCity · 22/10/2024 09:26

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:15

What she did was wrong, obviously. That said a custodial sentence, why?! She isn't a threat or risk to anyone.

Our judicial system is fucked. They are releasing criminals early yet lock up someone like this? Community service would surely have sufficed.

In what way is she not a threat to people when her entire campaign was exactly that.

She clearly is a risk to this woman and her family. She is utterly unrepentant about what she did and undertook a long and calculated campaign against them including the partner and daughter of the woman.

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:26

User19876536484 · 22/10/2024 09:19

Her actions have shown that she is!

How on earth is she a risk to others.

A custodial service is absolutely batshit. I hope they appeal her sentence.

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DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 22/10/2024 09:26

AGoingConcern · 22/10/2024 08:59

People wonder why sex crimes are so hard to prosecute.

Here’s a thread full of women looking at the victim of a sex crime and a good chunk are saying “well she probably deserved it for it for being the wrong kind of slut a decade before.”

She was asking for it.
Well I bet she learned not to go sleeping around anymore.
It wouldn’t have happened it’s she was more respectable.

Absolutely despicable.

Completely agree

notbelieved · 22/10/2024 09:25

But this ridiculous notion by bitter women on Mumsnet that having been the OW automatically makes someone a terrible person who doesn't deserve friends or happiness of any kind and should be outcast by other women forever and ever amen is just tiresome now

What is tiresome is the expectation that the person wronged in these situations just slinks off quietly never to be seen again. God forbid people who have been on the receiving end.of cheating should have a voice.

Bitter is a word used to silence women. Particularly, and ironically, on mumsnet.

phoenixrosehere · 22/10/2024 09:25

BlastedPimples · 22/10/2024 09:18

@phoenixrosehere but to say she can't believe a woman would do this to another woman trivialises the ow's behaviour too. All are awful people in this case.

I disagree.

Cheating is wrong, but it is nowhere near that to a woman choosing to post nude photos of another woman due to an affair over a decade ago onto an escort site of all places, post it on the woman’s husband’s business site and send abusive messages to the woman’s daughter.

IMBCRound2 · 22/10/2024 09:24

DiddyRa · 22/10/2024 03:00

Yep let’s blame other women instead of the men. Sounds about right. Those poor little helpless men just can’t help shagging around.

Ive always felt a bit differently about this - every woman I know has supported someone impacted by an affair in some way, and knows full well how unbelievably devastating and life-altering it can be … they also are keenly aware of the pressures and expectations put on women in society around relationships. And yet despite having this full and intimate knowledge of the pain caused, they do it anyway. That to me has always been more problematic because you are FULLY aware of the pain your actions cause and are actively choosing cruelty.

men, on the other hand, tend not to be the confidante in relationships (that’s a whole separate issue but it’s how things currently stand), don’t have lived experience of those pressures…. They are entirely wrapped up being selfish pricks.

I am in no way excusing them and - have had my own life seriously impacted by the both being cheated on whilst pregnant and will probably spending the rest of my life caring for someone unlikely to recover from the fallout of their marriage breaks down so am not minimising things . But I do think it’s comparing two very different types of culpability and have held the women responsible as they are definitely more aware of the fall out.

OWRLOSERS · 22/10/2024 09:24

Hoplolly · 22/10/2024 09:12

A much harsher sentence than any man would or has received, merely because she showed little remorse?

Two separate charges have added up to the three years given.

The sentences should have run concurrently IMHO. I also believe the massive psychological impact of her father's affair on the family should have been more considered.

Personally, I'd have liked the father to have stepped up and done the sentence. Those who have affairs lack any sort of integrity.

Nanny0gg · 22/10/2024 09:23

pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

No. Why has her father been kept in the family with all the blame on the OW?

KungFuKitten · 22/10/2024 09:23

YellowGuido · 22/10/2024 07:34

How on earth did she access the photos??

Maybe they were poloriods . It sounds like they were recently discovered , way after they were taken as the pain seems to be fresh and raw . I would think the husband hid them somewhere and they were discovered and everything cane out .

notbelieved · 22/10/2024 09:22

OWRLOSERS · 22/10/2024 09:09

A much harsher sentence than any man would or has received, merely because she showed little remorse?
You have to wonder if this was handed down by an old misogynistic judge, who has little idea or training regarding the utter psychological life long impact an affair can have not only on the innocent wife but children of which she was when her father betrayed his wife and family.

They are the real victims in all this along with OW's family.

The irony of the OW's ..."I find it hard to believe a woman would do this to another woman. To say I feel violated is an understatement"

I agree. I think as a society we leave women who have been cheated on to feel they are somehow at fault- if only they'd been nicer/prettier/better dressed/earned more/earned less/thinner/focused on her marriage.....heard all of that when my ex walked for the OW. We are supposed to sit quietly, show no emotion 'for the sake of the.children' and just accept the better person 'won'. We never ask men to accept any accountability for their actions because clearly if his wife had made him happy, he wouldn't have done it.

Affairs are damaging. Too many people's lives blown out of the water for no good reason. What happened is, of course, unacceptable behaviour. But what this clearly demonstrates is the lasting, deep impact of affairs on all concerned.

VivianLea · 22/10/2024 09:21

The woman deserves to go to prison. The photos were 12 years old and she harassed the OW. It's illegal to distribute naked photos of someone without their consent and rightly so.

I do question the police woman mum who encouraged her daughter to do this though...

AngeloMysterioso · 22/10/2024 09:21

Resitinas · 22/10/2024 08:53

This is simply bullshit.

Yes. It happens. Being the OW does not negate every other aspect of someone's character. Nobody belongs to someone else. I'm not condoning being the OW. But this ridiculous notion by bitter women on Mumsnet that having been the OW automatically makes someone a terrible person who doesn't deserve friends or happiness of any kind and should be outcast by other women forever and ever amen is just tiresome now.

People who have affairs are immoral,
untrustworthy pieces of shit. And yeah I think if you play a major part in ruining someone else’s marriage, happiness and future then I’m not sure you do deserve to skip off into the sunset and live happily ever after yourself. I’m not limiting that to just women.

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:19
Shock Community hours for someone who is an ongoing risk to others.
User19876536484 · 22/10/2024 09:19

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:15

What she did was wrong, obviously. That said a custodial sentence, why?! She isn't a threat or risk to anyone.

Our judicial system is fucked. They are releasing criminals early yet lock up someone like this? Community service would surely have sufficed.

Her actions have shown that she is!

BlastedPimples · 22/10/2024 09:18

@phoenixrosehere but to say she can't believe a woman would do this to another woman trivialises the ow's behaviour too. All are awful people in this case.

AngeloMysterioso · 22/10/2024 09:18

Hoplolly · 22/10/2024 08:53

In your opinion.

But....they sometimes do.

Having an affair doesn't change someone's entire personality. It's one element.

Is lacking a moral compass another element?
Is being instrumental in wrecking the lives and happiness of other people another element?

Chickenspeckandcluckaroud · 22/10/2024 09:18

BarbadosItsCloserThanYouThink · 22/10/2024 09:13

I agree with all the comments that the sentence is too much, she's not violent and prisons are over crowded. What they did was wrong and crazy though.

I disagree. She is not remorseful, clearly thinks her actions are ok. So it is likely this woman could commit further sex offences in the future.

phoenixrosehere · 22/10/2024 09:17

OWRLOSERS · 22/10/2024 09:09

A much harsher sentence than any man would or has received, merely because she showed little remorse?
You have to wonder if this was handed down by an old misogynistic judge, who has little idea or training regarding the utter psychological life long impact an affair can have not only on the innocent wife but children of which she was when her father betrayed his wife and family.

They are the real victims in all this along with OW's family.

The irony of the OW's ..."I find it hard to believe a woman would do this to another woman. To say I feel violated is an understatement"

The irony of the OW's ..."I find it hard to believe a woman would do this to another woman. To say I feel violated is an understatement"

There is a massive difference between what the OW did and what was done to her by. It is nowhere near the same and trivialises the actions of the daughter.