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Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?

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pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

A mugshot of Eleanor Brown - a woman in her early twenties with dark shoulder length hair and blue eyes.

Eleanor Brown jailed for sharing naked photos of father's lover

Eleanor Brown posted the woman's photos on an escort site as an "act of revenge", a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

OP posts:
SockPlant · 22/10/2024 09:47

AGoingConcern · 22/10/2024 03:33

No. This isn’t any better than a man who posts revenge porn because his girlfriend dumped him. It’s a sex crime, and it would make you by far the worst person in the situation.

The mother and sister should have been charged as well.

what's the average time in jail for men indulging in "revenge porn"? Are there statistics?

Lubilu02 · 22/10/2024 09:46

I didn't answer your question in the end.
Yes, posting the images was completely out of order and all do to with the Mum. I actually hope they appeal the sentence, although fully understand an awful thing to happen to the OW. Clearly she had a bigger impact on the family that she may have realised.

VictoriaSpungecake · 22/10/2024 09:46

TwigletsAndRadishes · 22/10/2024 09:11

I don't think what she did was right or fair but I do think a three year jail sentence is pretty outrageous. She could have glassed her in a pub and got less.

If you were the victim of her revenge you might feel differently. I know I would. Imagine having your naked pictures posted for all to see - on an Escort site of all places. And your husband receiving hundreds of calls requesting bookings for you. Absolutely awful. What she did was not some little joke. It is serious and the sentence is to my mind deserved because of what she put that woman through, possibly for a few years...those images can be up for a long time.

I would be very very angry if my partner cheated on me. I would be angry with him and angry with the woman. I might even fantasise about harming them by putting their pictures online. But I wouldn't do it. I couldn't do it. And I don't really understand the sort of person who could.

redtrain123 · 22/10/2024 09:45

“Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?”

No, two wrongs don’t make a right. The daughter was wrong to do what she did.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 22/10/2024 09:44

What a mess. No winner here.

Chickenspeckandcluckaroud · 22/10/2024 09:44

As far as I can see, we have no idea how old the OW was, if she knew the Dad was married ect. I'm sure lots of posters judging on here wouldn't want their own daughters treated so harshly, if they found themselves in these situations in their late teens/early twenties.

funinthesun19 · 22/10/2024 09:43

I think it’s pathetic behaviour. Why hasn’t she taken revenge her dad as well in that case. He’s the one who cheated on her mum! Why is the anger always directed at the OW and never/much less towards the husband/dad?

No I wouldn’t be tempted to take revenge if I was in her shoes. Some people will see it as a daughter being loyal towards her mum 🙄. But most civilised people will be loyal to their mum without resorting to this. The ow didn’t deserve to have naked photos posted online.

My mum left for the OM when I was 11 and my dad was distraught. But my dad would never have wanted me to take revenge and I would have felt very uncomfortable if he encouraged me to do so. If it happened when I was an adult, I wouldn’t want to seek revenge then either. My brother was 20 when my parents split, and it didn’t occur to him to do something to the OM.

FeedingThem · 22/10/2024 09:43

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:30

'Seems pretty fair all said and done'

Yes absolutely very fair, release domestic abusers early, give men community hours for far worse crimes <as posted upthread> yet give this women a massive custodial sentence for sharing nudes online of an ow without consent Confused.

She shared nudes online of a woman without consent as part of a planned campaign of revenge. Initially they were going to do something else but changed it to this. She used the husbands number and also made derogatory comments on his work comments page. She sent a long vile message to the woman's daughter. She showed zero remorse and in fact her family downplayed it even in court "Sophie Brown, who interrupted the proceedings on multiple occasions, said: “This was not revenge. We were taking the mick out of her because of the photos she’d sent to my dad.". She tactically withheld admitting the crime to make the process as awful as possible without having to do much herself

The only wonder is that her sister hasn't been charged.

Kbroughton · 22/10/2024 09:41

AngeloMysterioso · 22/10/2024 09:21

People who have affairs are immoral,
untrustworthy pieces of shit. And yeah I think if you play a major part in ruining someone else’s marriage, happiness and future then I’m not sure you do deserve to skip off into the sunset and live happily ever after yourself. I’m not limiting that to just women.

But no one is saying they should 'skip off into the sunset'. They are saying that revenge porn (illegal), harassment of the OW (illegal), harassment of the husband (illegal), harassment of the daughter (illegal), is not commensurate with having an affair (not illegal). When my husband had an affair and left me, I had all kinds of fantasies about telling their work, turning up and dumping his clothes at her reception desk, putting up posters of her 'nudes' in our village etc etc. The fantasies made me feel better at the time and got me through dark moments But that is all they were, fantasies, because I am not an unstable deranged individual. In any case, in time I ended up much happier than I was in my unhappy marriage and I actually feel sorry for OW as she was also in an unhappy marriage (and probably very vulnerable) and now has my exH to deal with, who is still messaging other women! Things aren't black and white. And ultimately, I was determined to protect my daughter from the toxicity of adults as long as I possible could, and any 'revenge' I may have taken would only ultimately hurt her.

AngeloMysterioso · 22/10/2024 09:40

SanctuaryCity · 22/10/2024 09:36

Yes. We do expect women not to break the law by undertaking a sustained campaign of harassment against a family.

I get that some women on mumsnet seem to think that adultery is the worst crime but it is not illegal. The word bitter is a perfect description for many people on here. He slept with someone else - get over it. Leave if that is a red line for you but don’t allow your toxicity to ruin your kids lives like this family.

He slept with someone else - get over it.

I’m sure you’d be thrilled at being told that if your husband was fucking another woman.

Another2Cats · 22/10/2024 09:40

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:32

She shared the ow's nudes online. She shouldn't have, it was wrong.

Community hours wouldve sufficed. we all know it.

It wasn't just that though. As reported in the Times (with sharetoken):

Judge Andrew Menary said: “One of the most egregious and vindictive aspects of this case is that you took the time to draft a lengthy and vitriolic message to their daughter. You sought to drag her into your unhappy existence which was shameful.”

Eleanor’s actions led the couple to disclose the woman’s affair for the first time. He said she had shown a “staggering” lack of remorse and and exhibited “vindictive, selfish and vengeful behaviour”.

Lucy Brown told the court: “In that message Eleanor Brown said: ‘I will make sure your mum is never allowed to forget what she did to my family and wherever she goes her photos will remain and follow her’.”

The judge said: “You conspired with your sister and mother to create the advert.” He also acknowledged that Sarah had sent Eleanor the sexual images, saying: “There is clear evidence she wanted you to use them in some way.”

Eleanor had originally denied two charges of disclosing private sexual imagery but changed her plea to guilty during her trial last month.

The judge gave her no credit for her guilty pleas because she indulged in the “ultimate act of brinkmanship” by forcing her victims to give evidence, something he said had “maximised their humiliation”.

He said: “You were arrested and interviewed and were utterly unapologetic. The lack of remorse you showed was staggering. Acting in the way you have is totally devoid of any moral compass whatsoever.”

https://www.thetimes.com/article/bc0b9e4c-98d1-49fb-b52e-e67823a35217?shareToken=4f4917667e46a61584093a4305bc18f8

Woman jailed for posting nudes of father’s ex on escort site

Eleanor Brown was sentenced to three years after a ‘vindictive’ campaign encouraged by her mother and policewoman sister

https://www.thetimes.com/article/bc0b9e4c-98d1-49fb-b52e-e67823a35217?shareToken=4f4917667e46a61584093a4305bc18f8

justbeingasmartarse · 22/10/2024 09:40

Tink3rbell30 · 22/10/2024 09:10

It's not terrifying. I don't believe people should get away with this sort of behaviour.

Remind me how the husband was punished? By remaining married to his wife?

Figgygal · 22/10/2024 09:38

Everyone of them should be embarrassed
Awful behaviour all round.
Only people I have any sympathy for would be the husband and daughter of the ow

Lubilu02 · 22/10/2024 09:36

I actually feel sorry for this girl getting dragged into her parents mess.
Young/teenage years are also very formative years and this clearly had a huge impact on her. I blame the Mums reaction to it, I believe that's where the anger and resentment may have stemmed from, I expect she was very bitter about it and vented far too much to her children.
I think this sentence was overly harsh given the history and how young she would have been seeing it all kick off between her parents. The girl needs therapy to talk through it all, not a massive prison sentence.

SanctuaryCity · 22/10/2024 09:36

notbelieved · 22/10/2024 09:25

But this ridiculous notion by bitter women on Mumsnet that having been the OW automatically makes someone a terrible person who doesn't deserve friends or happiness of any kind and should be outcast by other women forever and ever amen is just tiresome now

What is tiresome is the expectation that the person wronged in these situations just slinks off quietly never to be seen again. God forbid people who have been on the receiving end.of cheating should have a voice.

Bitter is a word used to silence women. Particularly, and ironically, on mumsnet.

Yes. We do expect women not to break the law by undertaking a sustained campaign of harassment against a family.

I get that some women on mumsnet seem to think that adultery is the worst crime but it is not illegal. The word bitter is a perfect description for many people on here. He slept with someone else - get over it. Leave if that is a red line for you but don’t allow your toxicity to ruin your kids lives like this family.

Another2Cats · 22/10/2024 09:35

Bumcake · 22/10/2024 09:32

I didn’t realise that the OW’s husband was a pimp! Or do you mean the phone number was his, not the site?

Everyone involved sounds dreadful. The mother who forgave her cheating partner and then spent a dozen years winding up her daughters about it might well be the worst of the bunch.

Edited

"Or do you mean the phone number was his, not the site?"

Correct. Essentially, she put up naked photos of this woman on an escorting website and gave the telephone number of the husband as the contact number

FeedingThem · 22/10/2024 09:34

Tink3rbell30 · 22/10/2024 09:32

No I don't agree with it, silly type of revenge and it backfired. But yes there should be consequences to this sort of behaviour.

So what revenge would you have done? What's a good revenge for an affair 20 years ago?

ChampaignSupernova · 22/10/2024 09:34

No this is not OK. It's illegal and she has rightly been sent to prison for it. I'm shocked her now ex police officer sister egged her on knowing it was an offence.

Affairs destroy lives and cause trauma but that doesn't give victims a green light to commit crime.

chickenlettuceunderbacon · 22/10/2024 09:34

No, of course it's not ok.

Ignoring the obvious that sharing others' nude photographs without their consent is appalling, not to mention illegal, all it does is reinforce the fallacy that it's always the OW's fault/that the poor, innocent man/husband is the victim and ambushed/forced into an affair. Men aren't bystanders in their affairs, they're active participants. It's about time they were held to account rather than blame the woman/affair partner.

Fluufer · 22/10/2024 09:34

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:32

She shared the ow's nudes online. She shouldn't have, it was wrong.

Community hours wouldve sufficed. we all know it.

I don't agree at all. Revenge porn needs harsh sentencing whoever is doing it. Community hours never suffice for sex crimes.

phoenixrosehere · 22/10/2024 09:33

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:30

'Seems pretty fair all said and done'

Yes absolutely very fair, release domestic abusers early, give men community hours for far worse crimes <as posted upthread> yet give this women a massive custodial sentence for sharing nudes online of an ow without consent Confused.

On an escort site, opening her up to possible SAs, tried to ruin her husband’s business, and sent abusive messages to the daughter, and only changed her plea to victimise the OW and her family.

Not just sharing photos. 🙄

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 22/10/2024 09:33

@Bumcake he wasn't a pimp. This woman posted his phone number on the website along with the OW's pictures.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 22/10/2024 09:33

notbelieved · 22/10/2024 09:25

But this ridiculous notion by bitter women on Mumsnet that having been the OW automatically makes someone a terrible person who doesn't deserve friends or happiness of any kind and should be outcast by other women forever and ever amen is just tiresome now

What is tiresome is the expectation that the person wronged in these situations just slinks off quietly never to be seen again. God forbid people who have been on the receiving end.of cheating should have a voice.

Bitter is a word used to silence women. Particularly, and ironically, on mumsnet.

And If the wife of the cheating man had posted the photos (and name and contact details) to an escort website, your point about wronged women may be valid.

But it wasn’t the wronged woman who acted so maliciously. It was the daughter of the wronged woman who, frankly, should never haven been dragged into her parents’ marriage or her father’s cheating.

Gloriia · 22/10/2024 09:32

Chickenspeckandcluckaroud · 22/10/2024 09:28

She is an unremorseful sex offender. She poses the risk of further sex offences, obviously.

She shared the ow's nudes online. She shouldn't have, it was wrong.

Community hours wouldve sufficed. we all know it.

RambleRedux · 22/10/2024 09:32

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