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Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 18:39

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

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username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:51

Hyperbowl · 21/10/2024 21:42

You answered whether or not you thought that their lives would matter more if they were civilians surrounding the car that was being revved and driven backwards and forwards aggressively instead of police officers? I must have missed that because I can’t see it?

The issue isn’t that he was black, it was that he was a criminal who had been involved in numerous gun offences. Not sure why you’re trying to conflate the two things?

He was blocked in by the police. He drove backwards and hit a police car, he drove forwards and hit a police car. He wasn't driving at speed. He was stationary when he was shot.

The reason he was in the position he was was because he was in a police block so your questions about civilians are irrelevant.

The police didn't know who he was when they stopped him, so they wouldn't have known of any previous offences.

It's laughable that you think police racism isn't an issue when it's been found to be institutional.

Ramblomatic · 21/10/2024 21:48

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:28

You're right, the police should just execute people they don't like. He didn't have a gun.

He didn't have a gun that day, but he was no stranger to them. He played all the silly games, and eventually won the silly prize.

Not executed, lawfully killed.

And the world is an ever so slightly better place with one less violent scumbag in it.

You must be struggling to walk straight that chip on your shoulder.

Firestace · 21/10/2024 21:46

DojaPhat · 21/10/2024 21:42

Glad the police are back in everyone's good books. Memories are indeed short but there we go.

Ah yes people are either against or with the police, no nuance at all.

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:45

CheeryUser · 21/10/2024 21:35

“He didn’t have a gun”…. er, with him at the time. He only had convictions for carrying one previously and was just driving a car suspected of being involved in a shooting hours before. Those officers eh, what a reach to think to think he may be involved in gun crime! TABU. Grin

This is getting very repetitive. The police didn't know he was in the car, so they wouldn't know his background. The car was linked to an alleged shooting a few days earlier but the car wasn't registered to him.

suburburban · 21/10/2024 21:44

How would you feel if this criminal was in your neighbourhood revving his car into your car and house and police are nowhere in sight.

It was unfortunate what happened to him but there is that old saying about swords

Hyperbowl · 21/10/2024 21:44

Bigearringsbigsmile · 21/10/2024 21:43

Do police officers deserve to die at the hands of criminals?

Quite. Do innocent people also deserve to die at the hands of criminals?

Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 21:43

This. Not the innocent little boy that some would have you believe. Also did time fir violence with a fake firearm. He made his life choices.

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Bigearringsbigsmile · 21/10/2024 21:43

JayJayEl · 21/10/2024 21:39

Because NO-ONE deserves to be killed at the hands of the police. Criminal or not.

Do police officers deserve to die at the hands of criminals?

Hyperbowl · 21/10/2024 21:42

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:35

I've answered all these questions in my previous posts.

You answered whether or not you thought that their lives would matter more if they were civilians surrounding the car that was being revved and driven backwards and forwards aggressively instead of police officers? I must have missed that because I can’t see it?

The issue isn’t that he was black, it was that he was a criminal who had been involved in numerous gun offences. Not sure why you’re trying to conflate the two things?

DojaPhat · 21/10/2024 21:42

Glad the police are back in everyone's good books. Memories are indeed short but there we go.

Ramblomatic · 21/10/2024 21:41

angrycowl · 21/10/2024 19:07

Correct decision.

He is still going to be assessed by the independent office for police conduct, but suspect that will feel substantially less daunting after having been through a murder trial!

I wonder if he will want to continue policing after this.

Side question- Do you get any monetary compensation for being held on remand and wasting 2 years of your life waiting to be found not guilty of murder?

He wasn't held on remand, he was suspended on full pay.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 21/10/2024 21:40

JayJayEl · 21/10/2024 21:39

Because NO-ONE deserves to be killed at the hands of the police. Criminal or not.

I think I’d disagree, respectfully, as that being a blanket statement when you look at Fishmongers Hall and the London Bridge attacks…

Totallymessed · 21/10/2024 21:40

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:33

My bad. All unarmed men killed by the police since 2005 have been black (in non terrorist operations). Kaba, Baker, Duggan and Rodney. Rodney's killing also involved murder trial in 2015.

Sean Fitzgerald was an unarmed man shot by police in 2019. A white man. And not driving around in a car that had been linked to a shooting the previous day, and not a member of a gang that has since been found guilty of a shooting (NB- the only reason that Chris Kaba didn't end up in court for that shooting is because he was dead.)

ThatsNotMyTeen · 21/10/2024 21:40

TidyDancer · 21/10/2024 19:29

I'm thrilled with the verdict tbh. It should never have gone to trial. I get that the family are sad that their son is dead but they should be thoroughly ashamed of who he was and what he did in life. The fact that they aren't speaks volumes. Trying to make out that he was some kind of innocent victim of police brutality is utterly laughable and reprehensible. They know the truth. I really hope the brave officer has felt how much public support there has been for him and his colleagues.

Yep, same as that other shitbag Mark Duggan who was shot as well sparking the riots.

No sympathy for Kaba and pleased with the verdict.

Jowak1 · 21/10/2024 21:39

Top and bottom of this is if you comply with the Police when required you will be fine. If you are a criminal and try to run and harm officers doing their job you could get hurt.

JayJayEl · 21/10/2024 21:39

Bigearringsbigsmile · 21/10/2024 21:36

All the unarmed men who have been shot have been criminals involved in criminal activity at the time. Why are you so keen to defend criminals?

Because NO-ONE deserves to be killed at the hands of the police. Criminal or not.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 21/10/2024 21:36

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:33

My bad. All unarmed men killed by the police since 2005 have been black (in non terrorist operations). Kaba, Baker, Duggan and Rodney. Rodney's killing also involved murder trial in 2015.

All the unarmed men who have been shot have been criminals involved in criminal activity at the time. Why are you so keen to defend criminals?

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:35

Hyperbowl · 21/10/2024 21:32

At the end of the day you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes and his idiocy and arrogance ended up with him dying because he thought he was untouchable because he was a violent thug who had zero respect for the law or other people’s lives. Plenty of times you see on the news how people have used their cars to murder innocent people. If he wasn’t planning on threatening life then why was he revving his car and driving it backwards and forwards with officers surrounding the car? Do their lives not matter just because they were serving officers, what if they were civilians instead?

His intentions were to at least threaten the lives of those around him. The police have a duty to respond to threat to life and preserve as many lives as possible. They gave him the opportunity to peacefully surrender himself and he chose aggression. He was guilty of being in possession of a vehicle that was involved in a shooting, that is enough evidence in a split second to believe that he may have been armed. His aggression proved that he was a threat. The police officer’s actions potentially saved multiple lives that day. Lesser of two evils. He died because he was a dangerous criminal and justice was served correctly today. You can honestly try and wrap it up whichever way you want the facts speak for themselves and you can argue til you’re blue in the face it won’t make your version of events or agenda any less of a falsehood.

I've answered all these questions in my previous posts.

CheeryUser · 21/10/2024 21:35

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:28

You're right, the police should just execute people they don't like. He didn't have a gun.

“He didn’t have a gun”…. er, with him at the time. He only had convictions for carrying one previously and was just driving a car suspected of being involved in a shooting hours before. Those officers eh, what a reach to think to think he may be involved in gun crime! TABU. Grin

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:33

Totallymessed · 21/10/2024 21:21

@username35890 All the unarmed men shot by the police have been black. Well, that's not true, is it? It's difficult to take someone seriously who is posting in apparent total certainty about things that are they are so wrong about, yet would be so easy to check in less than 5 minutes. Where are you getting your "facts" from?

My bad. All unarmed men killed by the police since 2005 have been black (in non terrorist operations). Kaba, Baker, Duggan and Rodney. Rodney's killing also involved murder trial in 2015.

Hyperbowl · 21/10/2024 21:32

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:06

Those with weak arguments often resort to personal attacks.

He didn't 'speed off' , his car wasn't travelling at speed. He was told to get out of the car, he reversed and hit the car behind him, he moved forward and hit a car to the side and then stopped.

If he was speeding, how come the officer was standing in front of the car?

At the end of the day you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes and his idiocy and arrogance ended up with him dying because he thought he was untouchable because he was a violent thug who had zero respect for the law or other people’s lives. Plenty of times you see on the news how people have used their cars to murder innocent people. If he wasn’t planning on threatening life then why was he revving his car and driving it backwards and forwards with officers surrounding the car? Do their lives not matter just because they were serving officers, what if they were civilians instead?

His intentions were to at least threaten the lives of those around him. The police have a duty to respond to threat to life and preserve as many lives as possible. They gave him the opportunity to peacefully surrender himself and he chose aggression. He was guilty of being in possession of a vehicle that was involved in a shooting, that is enough evidence in a split second to believe that he may have been armed. His aggression proved that he was a threat. The police officer’s actions potentially saved multiple lives that day. Lesser of two evils. He died because he was a dangerous criminal and justice was served correctly today. You can honestly try and wrap it up whichever way you want the facts speak for themselves and you can argue til you’re blue in the face it won’t make your version of events or agenda any less of a falsehood.

NewGreenDuck · 21/10/2024 21:31

If he didn't have a gun, why didn't he just stop the car? ( I know no weapons were found). What was so difficult about it?

JayJayEl · 21/10/2024 21:30

Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 19:23

OK some background to Chris Kaba. Previous offence....

"Kaba had been charged in 2018 with possessing an imitation firearm with intent to cause fear of violence,[3] in relation to an incident on 30 December 2017.[4] He was found guilty at Snaresbrook Crown Court in January 2019, and sentenced to four years in a Young Offenders Institute.[4] He was released in 2021.[4]"

So had history and did time.

Regardless of the outcome of this trial - and anyone's opinion on it - you listing his "previous offence[s]" feel like you are saying that justifies him being shot?! Like people tried to justify George Floyd's death because he had a criminal record.

username35890 · 21/10/2024 21:28

Bigearringsbigsmile · 21/10/2024 21:08

I can't believe how pro gun toting, criminal gangsters some people are. These people are not doing anything positive for society. Why so keen to defend them?

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You're right, the police should just execute people they don't like. He didn't have a gun.

OhMehGoddess · 21/10/2024 21:27

Patienceinshortsupply · 21/10/2024 19:21

I have no sympathy for criminals who end up dead. Or their relatives who have desperately changed the narrative and made said criminal out to be an ordinary citizen doing nothing wrong. I do have immense sympathy for the man who was doing his job, had to make a split second decision and has had his life ruined as a result.

Naming him surely makes him an open target now?

This so much. It's like the baddies get romanticised. No they were bad person, end of.
It seems to be norm too.