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Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 18:39

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

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MilletOver · 21/10/2024 23:28

I sort of feel it would all be simpler and safer if the rules were more absolute.

As in “If we shout ‘armed police’ do as we ask immediately. If you do not we will assume you are armed and intend to shoot us first - and will shoot you”.

At the moment a person being pursued knows that the police are trained only to fire under certain conditions / last resort, but they don’t have the police pov or see what the police see, so will keep trying to escape until their own interpretation of ‘last resort’. Which is the dangerous grey area.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 21/10/2024 23:28

Orphlids · 21/10/2024 23:26

I see the BBC refers to the fact he was shortly to become a father, but fails to mention a previous pregnancy that ended because he kicked his girlfriend of the time down the stairs. Both these details were irrelevant to the trial, of course.

😲

Toddlerteaplease · 21/10/2024 23:28

I'm afraid I'm
Finding it hard to have any sympathy for the victim. He only had to cooperate with the police.

Hyperbowl · 21/10/2024 23:28

Orphlids · 21/10/2024 23:26

I see the BBC refers to the fact he was shortly to become a father, but fails to mention a previous pregnancy that ended because he kicked his girlfriend of the time down the stairs. Both these details were irrelevant to the trial, of course.

That is horrific.

Ramblomatic · 21/10/2024 23:26

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Orphlids · 21/10/2024 23:26

I see the BBC refers to the fact he was shortly to become a father, but fails to mention a previous pregnancy that ended because he kicked his girlfriend of the time down the stairs. Both these details were irrelevant to the trial, of course.

Oblomov24 · 21/10/2024 23:26

I have very strong opinions on this. I'm not surprised by the result. But I think he shot him too quickly.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 21/10/2024 23:26

never ceases to amaze me how we can all watch the same video evidence and yet come to different conclusions. In my mind - and that of the jury - it is clearly the correct decision to acquit the defendant. And yet some people who watched the exact same clip believe the officer should have been found guilty.

It's a strange old world.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 21/10/2024 23:25

Why did he shoot him in the head? Couldn't he have fired at the car to stop it moving?

What part of a car would you shoot to stop it moving?

Whothefuckdoesthat · 21/10/2024 23:25

UndertheCedartree · 21/10/2024 23:19

Why did he shoot him in the head? Couldn't he have fired at the car to stop it moving?

This is beyond ridiculous. I get we can’t all be mechanics but do you have no understanding of how cars work?

Where exactly on a car (other than the driver) would you suggest shooting to make it stop moving?

And are the firearms officers supposed to watch their colleagues be injured before the car grinds to a halt? Or would you rather they just tell everyone to duck and hope that there is nobody in the car that has been connected to a shooting who might decide to shoot back?

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:23

Bikessmikes · 21/10/2024 23:21

He didn't drive towards nor hit any police officers. He didn't verbally threaten any police officers.

You are missing the bit where if the police tell you to stop, you need to stop.

Why would the police wait until he had hit someone?!

Christ do people realise real life is very different to the movies.

He wasn't an imminent threat to life, he was stationary.

Bikessmikes · 21/10/2024 23:22

Why did he shoot him in the head? Couldn't he have fired at the car to stop it moving?

What part of a car do you shoot at to stop it moving?

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:22

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:19

Argue that with the police then.
Because that's exactly what armed police are trained to do.

No they're not.

Bikessmikes · 21/10/2024 23:21

He didn't drive towards nor hit any police officers. He didn't verbally threaten any police officers.

You are missing the bit where if the police tell you to stop, you need to stop.

Why would the police wait until he had hit someone?!

Christ do people realise real life is very different to the movies.

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:21

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:20

You're the one who isn't aware of the facts. Like I said, don't engage.

What facts am I unaware of?

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:20

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:17

You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

Take your own advice here. There are so many factors to consider here that don't all rely on the police not knowing about his past, which are the very reasons he ended up shot.

You're the one who isn't aware of the facts. Like I said, don't engage.

UndertheCedartree · 21/10/2024 23:19

Why did he shoot him in the head? Couldn't he have fired at the car to stop it moving?

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:19

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:18

The Met doesn't have a shoot to kill policy. I know that because I've read their policy. They've never had a shoot to kill policy. The poster was arguing that the police are trained to shoot people in the head. That's a shoot to kill policy because shooting people in the head tends to kill them.

Argue that with the police then.
Because that's exactly what armed police are trained to do.

middleagedspreading · 21/10/2024 23:19

Brilliant

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:18

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:11

She (or somebody else), has already clearly explained that although we may not have a shoot to kill policy, we have armed police officers for a reason.

You repeating yourself won't change that.

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The Met doesn't have a shoot to kill policy. I know that because I've read their policy. They've never had a shoot to kill policy. The poster was arguing that the police are trained to shoot people in the head. That's a shoot to kill policy because shooting people in the head tends to kill them.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 21/10/2024 23:18

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:17

You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

Take your own advice here. There are so many factors to consider here that don't all rely on the police not knowing about his past, which are the very reasons he ended up shot.

Quite. Pot and kettle springs to mind here!!

Bondii · 21/10/2024 23:17

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:15

The police didn't know who he was when they stopped the car. They wouldn't have known about his past.

I've already seen the footage. I described what he did several times, he backed into a police car, went forward and hit another police car and stopped.

He didn't drive towards nor hit any police officers. He didn't verbally threaten any police officers.

You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

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You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

Take your own advice here. There are so many factors to consider here that don't all rely on the police not knowing about his past, which are the very reasons he ended up shot.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 21/10/2024 23:17

@username35890 why do you think the jury reached the conclusion they did, out of interest?

MilletOver · 21/10/2024 23:17

mids2019 · 21/10/2024 22:32

Correct decision and I hope the police officer involved can get on with the rest of his life now.

I think we have to question why the CPS in retrospect felt they had a realistic chance of conviction given the evidence in court? Did the CPS feel 'something has to be seen to be done' given racial politics in the capital? We're there those in the CPS worried about accusations of a racist cover up if they hadn't proceeded?

I think there has been a reluctance for the left wing press to highlight the gang land links of this individual and there was a narrative sown of this being another proof of an institutionally racist met. If the jury had somehow found the other way then we would be having a public enquiry and perhaps another BLM moment.

The first news reports were all hand wringing ‘father to be, young rapper’ … while all the local young people in my Ds’s circle, many black, were identifying him as exactly what he was.

username35890 · 21/10/2024 23:15

Hyperbowl · 21/10/2024 23:07

I got my wires crossed along the lines as I thought that he had murdered someone turns out he just shot a man twice in the legs so I guess that is irrelevant and child’s play and then driving a car that was linked to a shooting the night before. You know the kind of shooting that kills people. I still can’t imagine why the officer would think that this upstanding citizen of the law would pose a threat to life. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I can hold my hands up and admit I was wrong but you’ve been linked to a video by another poster that clearly shows he was revving his car and driving into police cars but you still won’t admit that it’s dangerous and aggressive. That’s on you, and that’s embarrassing. You keep painfully plugging this idea that as he wasn’t driving at speed that he wasn’t driving dangerously or threatening the lives of the police officers but the facts are he was and you can’t change that. The fact that you keep defending this is not only weird but really messed up.

I’m not going to be replying to you again but one last thing you really should think about is how it wasn’t the Met as a body that cleared this officer of murder it was a jury of laymen that represent the society that we live in. Let that sink in before you keep spouting how it was the corruption of the Met that allowed this officer to walk free.

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The police didn't know who he was when they stopped the car. They wouldn't have known about his past.

I've already seen the footage. I described what he did several times, he backed into a police car, went forward and hit another police car and stopped.

He didn't drive towards nor hit any police officers. He didn't verbally threaten any police officers.

You need to get a handle on other people having different views to you. We don't all agree here. If you think I'm 'messed up' don't engage.

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