Police officer cleared

Helen Lumuanganu, Kaba’s mother, sought to suppress reporting of her son’s previous convictions, gang associations and his alleged involvement in the nightclub shooting...

Utterly vile!

I hope she's ashamed of herself. She won't be though, will she.

If it was my child I'd be appalled by them, utterly ashamed of them, disgusted by their actions, wonder how I'd done such an appalling job of bringing them up, and feel desperately sorry for all the people they'd maimed, killed and put through such terrible experiences as the poor police officer had to endure.

You won't see it that way, of course.

And whilst we are at it....shame on his family for trying to suppress his significant history of violent gang related activity. Trying to hide the truth and paint a victim narrative instead of taking a cold hard look at the man he actually was is why there is so little sympathy from so many people towards them. They may have lost someone they loved but that man was a danger to society. Live by the sword and die by it

If CK had finally got his car out of the space, how hard would he have hit the police office stood infront of him, at such a low speed, enough to do what damage exactly to his legs? a bump, a bruise, broken? Not life threatening is it?

Slow speed? That car is a powerful car. Foot to the floor there is a LOT of power within a couple of metres. It’s not me carefully edging my way out of a space in my weedy hatchback. Enough to take your legs off, I bet. Enough to run right over someone on the floor.

You stand in front of a powerfully accelerating Audi if you like, I wouldn’t.

@Oblomov24

The picture of the car, that we have 'seen', and it was stationary, shows he was hemmed in and almost couldn't get out. I don't think the threat to the police officers life, the life if his colleagues, and the life of the rest of the London population , as was claimed, was actually that threatened,

I’m the other side of the channel and for info French police and Gendarmes tend to do more random stops that the UK police do and so are more exposed to the risks involved. There have been police fatalities (one such mentioned upthread) …as a result they can appear to be more trigger happy if stops go wrong and TBF some actions by law enforcement here have been controversial..

All that said a Gendarme was killed local to us a few years back when somebody who was stopped and almost hemmed by vehicles still managed to reverse a very short distance, killing an officer by running him over/crushing him.

I think the law enforcement view here now is that if a car that has stopped can move at all it still has the potential to be used as a lethal weapon.

(The offender in our local case had previous as long as your arm and got sentenced to life)

A real prince among men

It was also in April this year that hee was served with a domestic violence protection order to keep him away from his current pregnant girlfriend

If it was my child I would be heartbroken. But I would also accept he was an adult, who chose to involve himself in serious criminality, and that as a consequence of the actions HE chose to take, he brought the outcome on himself. It's called taking responsibility.

For what it's worth, I'm glad it was him who ended up dead and not the officer or any members of the public, which is the potential alternative outcome. I'm more concerned about the trauma of the officer and has family who have been put through a criminal trial for doing his job.

I can say with 100% certainty that neither of my children would ever be in that position so 🤷🏻‍♀️

https://www.thetimes.com/article/f3bbc8d4-0644-4b9c-925a-01475384602f?shareToken=9a64997ffff1e9fdfb3bbefa03f33422

I think this was fairly widely known anyway, but press now being allowed to report on it.

Apologist? I don't think I am.
What if it was your child? Who was shot dead, in the head, mistakenly, wrongly.
If he was arrested, he'd still be alive. Alive, at least, rather than dead. Too late to argue the case afterwards, if they are dead.

Because you suggest that having a large Audi Q8, weighing thousands of kilos, driven intentionally at you might have caused a bump or a bruise. If you genuinely believe that is the risk, why dont you go outside and let someone test it out on you today? Absolutely ridiculous

And of course if the jury had been asked a different question they might have come up with a different answer. What point does that actually make?

Stop being an apologist for a violent thug.

No. Race is NOT the issue here as much as you try and make it about it, it isn't.

And Jesus Christ, did you see the way he was ramming the car back and forward?!?! He would have killed a police officer had he managed to get free not just gently bumped them FFS.

I see it's now come out that he has been accused of being involved in two other shootings that week. This was not a good man.

And exactly how is race the "real issue"

Are we to let gangsters run free based on the colour of their skin

@Oblomov24

If CK had finally got his car out of the space, how hard would he have hit the police office stood infront of him, at such a low speed, enough to do what damage exactly to his legs? a bump, a bruise, broken? Not life threatening is it?

Are you joking?!

Kaba would potentially have driven straight over the officer, or crushed him against another vehicle.

This wasn't someone reversing out of a car park spot at Tesco and potentially clipping someone they hadn't seen walking behind them.

I think you might find that since CK was shot, 6 of his associates have been charged with conspiracy to murder. At the trial it was reported that the person who actually shot the victim had died and could not be named for legal reasons
CK was a member of the particular gang whose members were charged with the offence. It therefore seems logical that he was the person who died prior to the trial. Unless we are told that another gang member has also died, of course.
The victim of the shooting survived.

How is my view of risk, flawed?

And the jury was asked if he was guilty of murder. That doesn't mean they would have necessarily ruled differently if they had been asked a different question.

I wouldn't choose to be a police officer admittedly.

"I'd want him shot, as I suspect you would if YOU were under threat. "

No.
I wouldn't want him dead. I'd want him arrested and the proper channels and procedures followed. Not shot. And not dead. My value of life is high. Plus if they had arrested him and taken him back to the police station, he would have been released, because they had no evidence nor that he was guilty of any crime. It wasn't him, ( was it? I don't think it was) in that car that was guilty of the crime the night before. 'believed to be linked to a firearms incident the previous day'.

The police officer standing at the front of the car could have easily been knocked down even at a slow speed and run over. At best, life changing injuries, at worst death. CK was driving an Audi Q8, a car of that size would easily cause massive injuries.
We won't know what might have happened as fortunately CK was stopped. And, again, had he got out of the bloody car, he would be alive.

Not just black men going abiut their daily lives though were they?
They were gun toting, murderous criminals.
Are you saying that black men should be allowed to break the law with no consequences because they are black?

The jury, who heard all the evidence, disagreed with you. Your interpretation of risk is flawed

Play the race card?
I think Race IS the real issue here. He shot him, killed him.
He shot, and hit him in the head. Give him credit for actually being a very skilled marksman then!! (joke)
The picture of the car, that we have 'seen', and it was stationary, shows he was hemmed in and almost couldn't get out. I don't think the threat to the police officers life, the life if his colleagues, and the life of the rest of the London population , as was claimed, was actually that threatened, that warranted shooting him in the head, dead.

If CK had finally got his car out of the space, how hard would he have hit the police office stood infront of him, at such a low speed, enough to do what damage exactly to his legs? a bump, a bruise, broken? Not life threatening is it?

"If I hadn't acted, I thought one of my colleagues would be dead. I felt I had a duty to protect them at the time."

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley said Mr Blake made a split-second decision on what he thought was necessary "to protect his colleagues and to protect London".

Both statements seem ott.
I think the Met are covering themselves by claiming they are doing us all a favour, and that doesn't sit quite well with me.

What do you mean by no one? How does that work in all cases?

Just out of interest, how many black people, innocent black.people have been murdered by other black people since this incident? Any protests? Comments from the Great and the Good? Nope.

If you see police flashing lights behind you , you slow down and stop.
If the police say stop you stop.
If the police create a roadblock you stop.

Duuuuh.