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Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 18:39

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

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marshmallowmix · 22/10/2024 13:43

what's Sadiq Khanabout this? he has destroyed London in so many ways...it is unrecognisable from 20 years ago

YaWeeFurryBastard · 22/10/2024 13:39

If CK had finally got his car out of the space, how hard would he have hit the police office stood infront of him, at such a low speed, enough to do what damage exactly to his legs? a bump, a bruise, broken? Not life threatening is it?

He was driving an Audi Q8. The entry level model has 335 horsepower and does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds and weighs over 2 tonnes. For comparison, a Vauxhall corsa weighs on average less than a tonne, does 0-60 in 13 seconds and has 100 horsepower. You are utterly deluded to think being run over by an Audi Q8 (which from the footage you can see was being rammed with force) would cause just a bump/bruise/broken bones.

The Audi was not blocked in front on by a police car, there were two police cars either side of it, hampering its ability to get through but I think it’s pretty clear from the diagram/footage and given the power of this vehicle that it could have pushed through with a few more rams. The officer was stood immediately in front of the car, i.e. directly at risk of being run over, which, as others have pointed out has happened before, therefore reasonable to assume there is an immediate threat to his life given the suspect was still revving. The idea that he could have “shot to disarm” a seated suspect, blocked by a steering wheel in the dark, in a residential street with multiple vehicles and officers surrounding is utterly laughable.

A suspect driving a vehicle linked to a shooting (outside a primary school) the night before, who is behaving aggressively (ramming cars) and failing to stop for armed police is an immediate threat to the public, never mind the officers involved.

I personally think it’s perfectly reasonable that a suspect who the police have reason to believe is armed and is refusing to surrender should be stopped at all costs. What are the police meant to do? Wave him off and see if he’ll comply tomorrow or whenever they next bump into him and never mind if he injures or kills someone else in the meantime?

Cattery · 22/10/2024 13:31

InThePinkScarf · 22/10/2024 13:06

There are so many out there who want this to be a 'George Floyd ' moment. So pathetic.

The officer made the right call and in return had his life destroyed for two years. Then we all wonder why the police can't retain their staff. Country has gone to the dogs.

It so has. Lawless, gang-ridden shithole because the police are unable to get on and do their jobs without being put on trial or heckled.

darksideofthestudio · 22/10/2024 13:27

@TwigletsAndRadishes you summed
up, perfectly, my views.

I note that the family have described the verdict as a devastating moment for the family, the community and the nation. No, a dangerous criminal failed to adhere to the instructions of the Police. It’s that simple, and the only person to blame is CK. I can’t help think that many others have now been saved from death or life-changing injuries as a result of CK’s decision. The family should reflect on this, and the huge amount of money and resources taken up their son over the years, and accept the verdict and swell of public opinion.

Kendodd · 22/10/2024 13:26

Have the family spoken since CK criminal past has been revealed? I wonder if the vigil last night (thank god it didn't turn into a riot) would have been the same had his past been known?
Also, anyone know if there's a Go Fund Me page for the officers?

Grandmasswagbag · 22/10/2024 13:21

What's bizarre is that this was ever a murder trial. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation there is absolutely no way it would ever have been proved to be murder. Big questions for the CPS really. All very odd.

marshmallowmix · 22/10/2024 13:18

his mother wanted his past kept hidden...says it all really!

There income stream has gone gonna have to get a regular job.

Justice has been served...

Restlessinthenorth · 22/10/2024 13:18

EasyTouch · 22/10/2024 13:07

There is something really wrong with the media and political force teaming of being Black with Black career criminals justifiably getting hemmed up by the police.

Also the amount of social energy expected to be expended by Black people over wrong'uns who happen to be Black whose behaviour is nullified by Institutions that so many of us claim are racist.....all in lieu of the failure of Black families putting serious effort into stopping their usually male members carrying on a whole sociopathic fool.

Ten times out of nine against other Black people, criminal or nay.
First rule of career criminality is that it's either going to be the coffin or the cell.

Second rule is the acceptance of the first rule.

I've damn near cringed up a kidney behind all the energy that BLM on both sides of the Atlantic behind mostly life long male criminals who inflicted terror upon other Black people. But nary a whisper when Black males murder, rape other Black people without a White person near or far to be blamed.

A movement demanding justice that hasn't got honour and righteousness as core tenets as opposed to narcissism and disingenuity will always be a flop.

My own younger family members gave me the criminal biography of Mr Kaba. I knew he had shot up a club the day it was reported he got shot by the police.

Black people do not need criminal adjacent Black people or racist 'White Man's Burden" liberal/ leftists trying to put a battery in our collective backs to get us worked up over Black criminals who hate Black Life more than the MET police could ever hope to.

I am tired of the usual suspect trouble makers throwing rocks and hiding hands behind fake narratives.
I could almost admire them if they did it with a wink of audacity. Grifting is a very old profession after all. But it does require the ability to lie to oneself as well to others.

These nowadays activists have not got the zeal, intellect, audacity, sense of "knowing" or humour or lack of need of the same Institutional White approval that they claim to despise that came last century.

Hence even White Granny from Outer Hebrides being able to clock their blustering ineffectiveness at first glance.
Big dutty embarassment.

Mr Kaba's family should feel shame. However, I know his criminality was coddled due to the money he gave them.

And now that well has run dry without even a mortgage signature to show for it.

And now lying about a missing Rolex as if people would not ask as to how it was acquired with a lack of evidence of consistent, legal employment combined with an abstinent nature not evident in Mr Kaba's character makeup?

These people need to sit down and find some sense and Black Pride.

Very well said

ChesterDrawz · 22/10/2024 13:15

@Oblomov24

Not once have I ever claimed he was a good man, I am just questioning the fact he was shot dead :

The police don't shoot 'to kill' or 'not to kill'.

If they have to shoot they are aiming to stop/incapacitate and that may well be deadly.

Hunnymonster1 · 22/10/2024 13:14

Turns out the dude was a wrong un and had been involved in shootings weeks before this listening right now on the radio. In worse gang in london and no police shouldn't be above the law but the family wanted his past hidden why? So that folks go straight on all cops are baxxxrds . Of course some are but they need to be able to take these dodgy dudes down who are violent

TheThreeCheesesOfTheApocalypse44 · 22/10/2024 13:13

At the end of the day if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes......he wanted to play at being a little gangsta and died as a consequence of that. I'm just glad no members of the public were hurt because let's face it if he'd got out of that roadblock it's highly doubtful he'd have been following the highway code. 🙄

Microwarvay · 22/10/2024 13:11

TwigletsAndRadishes · 22/10/2024 11:36

It's all here:

https://news.sky.com/story/chris-kaba-was-gunman-in-nightclub-shooting-days-before-he-was-killed-13234555.

It's not painting quite the same picture as the 'aspiring architect and soon-to be father' he's been described as up to now, is it?

The police get such flak for stopping and searching young black men, apparently without just cause, but they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I know they aren't going to get it right 100% of the time and I feel for innocent black men just going about their business who are stopped and searched (as it turns out) unnecessarily. But the people I blame for that are the young black men who are involved in violent gang crime, carrying and using guns and knives on an epidemic level. Not the police, who are just trying to do an impossible and utterly thankless job in increasingly difficult circumstances.

Police officers volunteer to be trained to carry firearms. They operate in extremely stressful and volatile situations. They do not receive any extra money or benefits for this service. Who is going to want to do it in future, if this is where it gets them?

CK's family have vowed to 'fight on for justice.' Well this is justice. They've had it. Justice doesn't get much better than having your day in a British court of law with a jury, with your precious boy's violent and criminal background hidden from them. Justice doesn't guarantee you the outcome you want. Now we all know their boy was a wrong'un and a menace, you'd think they'd slink off quietly to lick their wounds in private, but oh no.

I had no idea of the stuff he'd been involved in until today. To his family I say go away and grieve quietly, stop your public wailing and hand wringing and faux indignation. We were fed the idea that this was a scared, innocent young black man, too afraid to stop his car because of police brutality and institutional racism in policing. Now we know the police were tailing him for very good reason and although he was unarmed, he carried evidence of being involved in the previous day's shooting.

Chris didn't need to end up dead but that's very much on him and his actions that day, not the fault of the officer who felt forced to pull the trigger. If Chris and people like him didn't carry and use guns then our policemen wouldn't need to either.

I truly hope not a penny more of public money is wasted on this farce, which should never have come to court.

I agree with all of that, except the last point.

It did need to come to court. If it hadn't, there would have been allegations of police corruption and cover-up probably lasting decades. All the time stoking division and distrust. And probably resulting in some sort of inquiry years down the line with a conclusion that would satisfy nobody.

As it is, justice has been done in open court by a jury who, rightly, were told nothing of Kaba's history.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 13:08

Some of the takes on X are absolutely wild. Absolutely pushing it as a racial discrimination issue. So utterly fucking insulting, it's either grift or the racism of low expectations.

EasyTouch · 22/10/2024 13:07

There is something really wrong with the media and political force teaming of being Black with Black career criminals justifiably getting hemmed up by the police.

Also the amount of social energy expected to be expended by Black people over wrong'uns who happen to be Black whose behaviour is nullified by Institutions that so many of us claim are racist.....all in lieu of the failure of Black families putting serious effort into stopping their usually male members carrying on a whole sociopathic fool.

Ten times out of nine against other Black people, criminal or nay.
First rule of career criminality is that it's either going to be the coffin or the cell.

Second rule is the acceptance of the first rule.

I've damn near cringed up a kidney behind all the energy that BLM on both sides of the Atlantic behind mostly life long male criminals who inflicted terror upon other Black people. But nary a whisper when Black males murder, rape other Black people without a White person near or far to be blamed.

A movement demanding justice that hasn't got honour and righteousness as core tenets as opposed to narcissism and disingenuity will always be a flop.

My own younger family members gave me the criminal biography of Mr Kaba. I knew he had shot up a club the day it was reported he got shot by the police.

Black people do not need criminal adjacent Black people or racist 'White Man's Burden" liberal/ leftists trying to put a battery in our collective backs to get us worked up over Black criminals who hate Black Life more than the MET police could ever hope to.

I am tired of the usual suspect trouble makers throwing rocks and hiding hands behind fake narratives.
I could almost admire them if they did it with a wink of audacity. Grifting is a very old profession after all. But it does require the ability to lie to oneself as well to others.

These nowadays activists have not got the zeal, intellect, audacity, sense of "knowing" or humour or lack of need of the same Institutional White approval that they claim to despise that came last century.

Hence even White Granny from Outer Hebrides being able to clock their blustering ineffectiveness at first glance.
Big dutty embarassment.

Mr Kaba's family should feel shame. However, I know his criminality was coddled due to the money he gave them.

And now that well has run dry without even a mortgage signature to show for it.

And now lying about a missing Rolex as if people would not ask as to how it was acquired with a lack of evidence of consistent, legal employment combined with an abstinent nature not evident in Mr Kaba's character makeup?

These people need to sit down and find some sense and Black Pride.

marshmallowmix · 22/10/2024 13:06

Well well well what a surprise he was dangerous...they have now revealed more details about him! unsavoury to say the least...great decision by the jury and hey knew nothing about his previous...

He had a long history of convictions including having a firearm.. was also accused of attempted murder/domestic abuse.

The officer should never have been named...he was a bad apple to put it mildly

InThePinkScarf · 22/10/2024 13:06

There are so many out there who want this to be a 'George Floyd ' moment. So pathetic.

The officer made the right call and in return had his life destroyed for two years. Then we all wonder why the police can't retain their staff. Country has gone to the dogs.

Sarahconnor1 · 22/10/2024 13:02

Im often critical of the police however reading the background to this now and the police officers identity should never have been made public.

The extent of Kabas criminal activity and gang association was always going to place that officer at risk.

wombat1a · 22/10/2024 12:57

Very very pleased with the verdict, very very unpleased that it stopped a brave police officer career by two years.

bombastix · 22/10/2024 12:56

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/10/2024 12:42

Why do we know the police officer's name? Given the threats to his life must have been anticipated could they not have kept him anonymous?

He and his family must be terrified.

The officer should not have been named and whoever decided in the CPS that this prosecution was in the public interest wants to have their job reviewed.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/10/2024 12:52

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 12:27

His supporters seem like a lovely bunch as well:

“Oi, oi, piggy, piggy, we’re gonna make your lives tricky”
https://x.com/thomasgodfreyuk/status/1848451158144401787

You have to ask why this "protest" featured so prominently on the BBC & ITV news last night? They allowed the allegations of a "racist murder by the police" to be aired without sharing the relevant background information about his involvement in the shooting incident that led to him being stopped and his key role in a violent gang that's currently blighting the lives of Londoners. Never mind his history of abusing women.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/10/2024 12:42

Why do we know the police officer's name? Given the threats to his life must have been anticipated could they not have kept him anonymous?

He and his family must be terrified.

herecomesautumn · 22/10/2024 12:39

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 12:27

His supporters seem like a lovely bunch as well:

“Oi, oi, piggy, piggy, we’re gonna make your lives tricky”
https://x.com/thomasgodfreyuk/status/1848451158144401787

Disgusting

Imagine supporting a violent gangster

DdraigGoch · 22/10/2024 12:35

username35890 · 21/10/2024 18:57

He wasn't armed and from the footage no one was in imminent danger. The officer who shot him stood in front of the car and shot him in the head. I thought the police were meant to disarm people, not kill them.

He was using the cars as a battering ram and almost dragged some of the ten officers surrounding it under the wheels. There was clearly immediate threat to life and that's why lethal force was a legitimate and proportionate response.

Cattery · 22/10/2024 12:34

What a dangerous job armed police officers do to keep the streets safe then they’re prosecuted for doing so. London is full of gangs with guns and knives. Intel would have provided details that this man was a likely to be armed. Live by the sword die by the sword

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 12:27

His supporters seem like a lovely bunch as well:

“Oi, oi, piggy, piggy, we’re gonna make your lives tricky”
https://x.com/thomasgodfreyuk/status/1848451158144401787

x.com

https://x.com/thomasgodfreyuk/status/1848451158144401787