Police officer cleared

Hear, hear.

It's infuriating hearing bollocks about, "the community..." as if other black people must think it's fine for these violent gangs to gun people down and god knows what else.

Just watching the KC documentary on the BBC and the demonstrations after his shooting.
Does anyone know, do we ever get big demos like that demanding justice when people like CK shoot people? I understand CK had fired shots outside a primary school before with zero regard for the safety of the children in the school.

You'd like to hope so, but somehow I very much doubt it.

It's an absolute godsend to that kid that his father won't be around harassing the mother with potentially violent scenes in front of him. Hopefully she'll make a better choice with the next partner.

I don't disagree regarding the trial but naming the poor officer was absolutely appalling.

I agree completely. The shooting of Mark Duggan prompted widespread rioting and civil disorder on an unprecedented scale. That may have happened again if this prosecution had not been taken however it was still wrong to charge that police officer. Every one that had seen those videos knew full well what happened and how justified that shooting was.

@mids2019 I wonder if there are lot of pissed off journalists that were following the narrative that CK was a victim of a racist police force and now the trial is over and reporting restrictions lifted realise they were wrong and having to do some back pedalling.

The Press knew who CK was. The reporting restrictions covered things the press knew but couldn’t publish… That’s how they knew what to publish within minutes of restrictions being lifted.

The press were at the trial of the nightclub shooting, they knew it was CK. just couldn’t publish.

Oddly enough, I think there should be a separate thread for Mr Kaba and his prior behavior.

This would have been a legal stop and a legal shooting no matter who was driving.

Car linked to shootings = good reason to stop.

Car used as a weapon = good reason to shoot.

Let's be honest, this was a show trial, any reasoned impartial observer could see that

Not having seen all the details I'm hesitant to say, but agree it's a strong suspicion - ditto those in the armed services who regularly get dragged into court simply for doing their jobs

Obviously we need proper accountability, but there's a balance to be struck and when so much emphasis gets placed on appeasing "communities" I'm not sure we've got it quite right
More to the point, as we've seen on here, neither are many of the ordinary, thoroughly decent members of those communities, who are affected by the violence more than most

I agree.
I also think it had to happen, I think there might well have been riots and mass demonstrations if it didn't. Poor police officer was the sacrificial lamb in this to appease the public.
I'm glad this has become a thread to slag off CK and his despicable family. I hope they're reading. Hopefully the mother of his kid (the one he beat up while she was pregnant) can get her baby away from their influence and I can't help thinking that child's life chances are improved without CK in it.

Let's be honest, this was a show trial, any reasoned impartial observer could see that.

Legal stop, legal shooting.

I wonder if there are lot of pissed off journalists that were following the narrative that CK was a victim of a racist police force and now the trial is over and reporting restrictions lifted realise they were wrong and having to do some back pedalling. One problem with labelling the net institutionally racist is that when you do have an independent like this there will be pressure for the met and other institutions to show that they following all due process and in this case there was an overreach and a more police officer was charged with murder. It seems like a huge waste of tax payers money, court time and a massive stress on the officer in order to be seen politically correct.

One real concern is that we hamper the police's ability to counter armed violent criminals through fear of racism accusations so this must happen again.

My job is working with gang members and potential members, particularly those with ND or trauma who are more at risk of going down that path and not being to get out of it.

Maybe you need to work a lot harder.

Yep he was in 'construction'..........
......... as is building his criminal empire and drugs business

I wouldn't bother 'ChooChoo21' has clearly lost the plot - probably thinks if Kaba did have a gun, the officers could have shot it out of his hand.

I hope none of the loud voices on X have dared compare Kaba to Stephen Lawrence. If I were his family I'd be so offended at that.

Great post Twiglets - I also thought they were trying to appropriate Stephen Lawrence who WAS on his way to be in architect and WAS killed purely because of the colour of his skin.

I agree with Persephone all these people saying 'but the police had no idea it was Chris Kaba until after they'd shot him' are missing out whole chunks of what they did know. They knew it was one of the men implicated in the shooting of the night before, based on pretty solid intelligence. Hence why there were there in the first place.

Some people prefer to continue push the narrative that he was a black man in the wrong place at the wrong time, randomly stopped (as if the fact that he was a career criminal and gangster is a mere coincidence and an irrelevance) and was only shot because he was black.

And I do wish we could ban the phrase 'an aspiring anything.' It's completely meaningless and quite misleading. Although I have doubts that there is much truth to it, to say he 'aspired to be an architect' would be fair enough, because it's clear that he wasn't one. To say he was 'an aspiring architect' gives a different impression altogether, and makes it sound as though that was very much in process and likely to happen. I am an aspiring supermodel, which is to say that I couldn't get a contract to model a giant banana fancy dress costume on Amazon, let alone do Vogue or Paris Fashion Week.

I've only heard that he 'worked in construction' so I am not sure if he was signed up to some sort or day release college course vaguely pertaining to building design or what. But the cynic in me suggests by calling him 'an aspiring architect' his useful idiots are trying to draw parallels between him and Stephen Lawrence. They were hoping to spin the same sort of narrative of an innocent young black man, dead because of a targeted racist attack and denied justice because of police lies. Thank God for body cams and CCTV these days, to be able to put that nonsense to bed.

The police man should not have been named until the case was over and they are found guilty.
How can they be expected to do such a job, while second guessing everything going on.
As it turns out the 'victim' was a right old miscreant Already wanted for shooting someone. The reason why he wouldn't stop and was trying to ram the police cars

Excellent summary, @PersephonePotts

OK, I thought you were making a different point. What was it that you intended?

I completely forgot until I read it just now but the car Kaba was in had actually been the getaway car the day before in a shooting outside a primary school.

Two Suspects used a shotgun to shoot through the window of a Mercedes then legged it into two cars (one each) - one being the one Kaba drove a little over 24 hours later.

The shooters had given not two shits about the hundreds of children nearby, not bothered if they caught one in the crossfire - and in less extreme circumstances not bothered about traumatising children who might have seen this shooting.

So I’m going to add to the list I made earlier about what the police DID know about the vehicle when it came up as a weapons marker on ANPR cameras.

1. This was a car involved in a shooting meaning the driver was the shooter or knew the shooter
2. The nature and location of the incident the day before shows the level of extreme danger and inconsideration the person in this car, if they were the shooter (and it’s entirely reasonable to believe they are) shows - meaning they have gone out once again posing an EXTREMELY high risk.
3. When trying to pull this potentially - actually not potentially but highly likely - dangerous person over, he tried to get away. He used every aggressive means necessary to escape police.

So @Choochoo21 with that in mind - the fact it could have been YOUR child, your family nearby when they shot the Mercedes - do you STILL think that police action was too heavy handed and that there was no indication a dangerous person was driving the car? I’m wondering if you have been labouring under the misapprehension that Kaba was simply a black man pulled over rather than a likely violent man who was highly lethal and dangerous? Is that what you thought?

BTW Kaba had gunpowder residue on his sleeve when he died and a balaclava in his pocket. If he had done what he SHOULD have done and pulled over, the fact he was driving a getaway car and had evidence of having recently shot someone would go a huge way towards a charge for the shooting the day before. It’s not reaching for the stars to suggest it was him who was the scumbag trying to murder people outside a primary school.

Thanks for the lesson. I’ve only been practising law for 20 years.

You missed the point I was making. Spectacularly.