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Toomanywars · 21/10/2024 18:39

Martin Blake police officer today cleared by a jury of unlawful killing of Chris Kaba

Should police officers get more support. Perhaps not release name until after trial or inquiry.

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YaWeeFurryBastard · 22/10/2024 14:26

Oblomov24 · 22/10/2024 14:18

He wasn't armed. 🙄

If you want to be given the benefit of the doubt and for armed police to assume you’re unarmed, best to behave like an unarmed suspect, i.e. pull over and comply with the police instructions.

If you behave like an armed criminal you should expect to be treated like one for the safety of the officers and the public.

ElaborateCushion · 22/10/2024 14:26

wombat1a · 22/10/2024 12:57

Very very pleased with the verdict, very very unpleased that it stopped a brave police officer career by two years.

Yes, and led to him and his family being threatened and having a price put on his head by the dickhead gang that he was a part of.

I just can't get over the attitude of his friends and family in this situation.

Why on earth would you outwardly support a domestic abusing, drug dealing, gun wielding thug, just because he's your own flesh and blood?

It's OK to love a family member, but you don't have to like them or agree with what they've done.

Like Jay Slater a few months ago, I'm finding it very difficult to be sympathetic.

As I read on X earlier the only reason that CK died is because of CK and his own decisions.

If he hadn't shot someone in a nightclub a few days before, his car wouldn't have been flagged and he wouldn't have been stopped by armed police. If it was a regular stop, the worst that could have happened to him was being tasered.

It was his decision to try and escape the police by ramming their vehicles. The fact that he didn't run over and kill one of the police officers is pure luck on their part. The fact that they had guns on them and were in a position to shoot him was because of his own actions a few days earlier.

herecomesautumn · 22/10/2024 14:25

PlanetCats · 22/10/2024 13:49

I hope his family have the same sense of justice for Kaba's victims, such as his battered pregnant girlfriend?

Nae chance

momtoboys · 22/10/2024 14:24

As a long time law enforcement spouse I am relieved to hear this verdict.

herecomesautumn · 22/10/2024 14:23

Bulldog01 · 22/10/2024 14:13

I do not know the finer details of the court hearing, but thought that police,were meant to detain & disable a Criminal,not shoot someone point blank in the head? I have been married to a Police officer for 28 years! It's awful that this police officer felt that it was absolutely necessary to kill a unarmed young Black male!

Worth reading up on the finer details then

SquirmOfEels · 22/10/2024 14:23

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/10/2024 12:52

You have to ask why this "protest" featured so prominently on the BBC & ITV news last night? They allowed the allegations of a "racist murder by the police" to be aired without sharing the relevant background information about his involvement in the shooting incident that led to him being stopped and his key role in a violent gang that's currently blighting the lives of Londoners. Never mind his history of abusing women.

Edited

The reporting restrictions had not been lifted at that point. I think they were lifted late morning today.

I think it is right that the police can face criminal charges - because it is an important part of ensuring standards. I would however prefer to see anonymity for police (and military) during trials, with identity released only after the trial (and potential appeals) are concluded.

YaWeeFurryBastard · 22/10/2024 14:21

Oblomov24 · 22/10/2024 14:18

He wasn't armed. 🙄

Well I think it’s a pretty reasonable assumption to make that a suspect driving a vehicle involved in a shooting the previous day who’s failing to stop for armed police might be armed? He was also using his vehicle as a weapon to try and barge his way out as has already been explained.

Firestace · 22/10/2024 14:18

Bulldog01 · 22/10/2024 14:13

I do not know the finer details of the court hearing, but thought that police,were meant to detain & disable a Criminal,not shoot someone point blank in the head? I have been married to a Police officer for 28 years! It's awful that this police officer felt that it was absolutely necessary to kill a unarmed young Black male!

Perhaps before making comment bother to read up about it then?

Oblomov24 · 22/10/2024 14:18

He wasn't armed. 🙄

YaWeeFurryBastard · 22/10/2024 14:17

Bulldog01 · 22/10/2024 14:13

I do not know the finer details of the court hearing, but thought that police,were meant to detain & disable a Criminal,not shoot someone point blank in the head? I have been married to a Police officer for 28 years! It's awful that this police officer felt that it was absolutely necessary to kill a unarmed young Black male!

Er, how else do you propose they “detain and disable” a suspect they believe to be armed, who’s refusing to stop for armed police, refusing to get out of the vehicle and using said vehicle as a battering ram to try and escape?

BoobyDazzler · 22/10/2024 14:16

Bulldog01 · 22/10/2024 14:13

I do not know the finer details of the court hearing, but thought that police,were meant to detain & disable a Criminal,not shoot someone point blank in the head? I have been married to a Police officer for 28 years! It's awful that this police officer felt that it was absolutely necessary to kill a unarmed young Black male!

He was armed with a car.

MsJacksonIfYoureNasty · 22/10/2024 14:14

EasyTouch · 22/10/2024 13:07

There is something really wrong with the media and political force teaming of being Black with Black career criminals justifiably getting hemmed up by the police.

Also the amount of social energy expected to be expended by Black people over wrong'uns who happen to be Black whose behaviour is nullified by Institutions that so many of us claim are racist.....all in lieu of the failure of Black families putting serious effort into stopping their usually male members carrying on a whole sociopathic fool.

Ten times out of nine against other Black people, criminal or nay.
First rule of career criminality is that it's either going to be the coffin or the cell.

Second rule is the acceptance of the first rule.

I've damn near cringed up a kidney behind all the energy that BLM on both sides of the Atlantic behind mostly life long male criminals who inflicted terror upon other Black people. But nary a whisper when Black males murder, rape other Black people without a White person near or far to be blamed.

A movement demanding justice that hasn't got honour and righteousness as core tenets as opposed to narcissism and disingenuity will always be a flop.

My own younger family members gave me the criminal biography of Mr Kaba. I knew he had shot up a club the day it was reported he got shot by the police.

Black people do not need criminal adjacent Black people or racist 'White Man's Burden" liberal/ leftists trying to put a battery in our collective backs to get us worked up over Black criminals who hate Black Life more than the MET police could ever hope to.

I am tired of the usual suspect trouble makers throwing rocks and hiding hands behind fake narratives.
I could almost admire them if they did it with a wink of audacity. Grifting is a very old profession after all. But it does require the ability to lie to oneself as well to others.

These nowadays activists have not got the zeal, intellect, audacity, sense of "knowing" or humour or lack of need of the same Institutional White approval that they claim to despise that came last century.

Hence even White Granny from Outer Hebrides being able to clock their blustering ineffectiveness at first glance.
Big dutty embarassment.

Mr Kaba's family should feel shame. However, I know his criminality was coddled due to the money he gave them.

And now that well has run dry without even a mortgage signature to show for it.

And now lying about a missing Rolex as if people would not ask as to how it was acquired with a lack of evidence of consistent, legal employment combined with an abstinent nature not evident in Mr Kaba's character makeup?

These people need to sit down and find some sense and Black Pride.

Well said and I completely agree with every word.

Bulldog01 · 22/10/2024 14:13

I do not know the finer details of the court hearing, but thought that police,were meant to detain & disable a Criminal,not shoot someone point blank in the head? I have been married to a Police officer for 28 years! It's awful that this police officer felt that it was absolutely necessary to kill a unarmed young Black male!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2024 14:11

BlueLimeRun · 22/10/2024 13:54

Did the family think none of this would come out?
Absolute lack of reflection or responsibility.

We can't know what they thought, but it's a fact that the family tried to stop the details being released even after the trial was concluded, and that the judge refused this

I guess we can all see now why they wanted them hidden, but stupidly it hadn't occurred to me that the family may have been funded through Kaba's criminality - though if so, isn't that supposed to be an offence too?

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/10/2024 14:10

Did the family think none of this would come out?

I read they attempted to get/extend a court order that would have prohibited reporting his background.

Firestace · 22/10/2024 14:06

BlueLimeRun · 22/10/2024 13:54

Did the family think none of this would come out?
Absolute lack of reflection or responsibility.

To be honest a lot of the time information like this is purposefully hidden or kept quiet, but with social media it's harder and harder to do this. I suspect they were hoping for an easy grift and some easy £££.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/10/2024 14:05

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/10/2024 12:42

Why do we know the police officer's name? Given the threats to his life must have been anticipated could they not have kept him anonymous?

He and his family must be terrified.

As said way upthread, what do you suppose the chances were of hiding the officer's name if the family already knew it, given their access to social media?

I agree though that the CPS/courts would have done better to keep it confidential, and there are questions as to why this came to trial at all, as opposed to an enquiry
Maybe, for the sake of "community relations", the CPS considered it time to serve someone up to the mob and it just happened to be this officer's turn?

BoobyDazzler · 22/10/2024 14:02

PlanetCats · 22/10/2024 13:49

I hope his family have the same sense of justice for Kaba's victims, such as his battered pregnant girlfriend?

They won’t give a fuck. I would imagine their only sorrow is that their criminally funded gravy train has dried up.

Most parents would die of shame if they raised a son like that.

BlueLimeRun · 22/10/2024 13:54

Did the family think none of this would come out?
Absolute lack of reflection or responsibility.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 22/10/2024 13:53

Oblomov24 · 22/10/2024 12:19

Fortunately prh has put it better on another thread.

Not once have I ever claimed he was a good man, I am just questioning the fact he was shot dead :

Loveinacandle · Today 12:11

prh47bridge · Today 12:07
"I don't see anyone defending him. I do see people questioning whether the police should have shot him dead, which is very different.
As per one of my earlier posts, since 1990 nearly 1900 people have died either in police custody or as a result of contact with the police. In that time only one police officer has been convicted of murder or manslaughter in relation to these deaths. Some of the victims have been awful people. Others, such as Jean Charles de Menezes, had not done anything wrong. If we give the police a free pass on killing people because the victim was a violent criminal, more innocent people will be killed by the police.
I am not saying the police should never kill anyone. There are circumstances where it is the right thing to do. And, when forced to make a split-second decision, armed police may kill someone when, with more time to consider, it looks like the wrong decision. In those circumstances I support the police.
It is about getting the right balance. Holding police officers to account when they overstep the mark, but accepting they have a difficult job to do and making sure we don't undermine their ability to do it."

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Exactly this. If a Police office shoots you dead because they’re scared, is that okay? A criminal being chased by the police is hardly news but at what point does the police have the right to kill you. The verdict is unsurprising but I don’t think suggesting that he was a bad guy and therefore deserved it is the ‘gotcha’ that people seem to think it is

Ideally they wouldn’t have shot him dead, but I would like to see you do a better job in the circumstances, faced with someone who with the benefit of hindsight you know wasn’t armed, but who given his form and the intel on him could easily have been

Kaba, like Mark Duggan, brought it on himself. If he’d been a better person he’d have been nowhere near the situation.

Purplebunnie · 22/10/2024 13:49

It just takes ramming your foot on the accelerator hard to be moving with speed to maim, injure or kill - seconds

The driver of the Audi was already revving the engine. How would the police officer know that the driver was not going to ram their foot down? My assumption facing the siltation of a person sitting revving his car surrounded by police and not complying with their instructions is that they are going to floor the accelerator and therefore injury to other people was imminent

I wish there had been a different outcome, but I can see how the police interpreted the actions of the driver a the time

PlanetCats · 22/10/2024 13:49

I hope his family have the same sense of justice for Kaba's victims, such as his battered pregnant girlfriend?

PhoebeFeels · 22/10/2024 13:49

Kaba was a dangerous man, with a powerful car trying to batter his way through, obviously not caring if Police Officers were injured in the process.
IMO, CPS should not have prosecuted as there was little likelihood of a conviction.
At least the criminals can see that sometimes they get their comeuppance.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2024 13:45

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/10/2024 12:42

Why do we know the police officer's name? Given the threats to his life must have been anticipated could they not have kept him anonymous?

He and his family must be terrified.

I agree, that tweet below is part of it