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Private school headteacher salaries - pure greed?

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Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:17

The Times reports that the Head of Eton is getting a 41.5% pay increase to £370 000.

Why?

The Head of the Civil Service only gets £200 000.

I don’t know how many private school headteachers are on more than the prime minister (£167 000), but it’s quite a few these days; at the same time as fees going up, pensions being removed and teachers experiencing below-inflation pay awards.

For all the anger around VAT on fees, I don’t see parents begrudging headteachers these extraordinary salaries.

AIBU to think that what private school headteachers are paid speaks to nothing more than pure greed in these individuals?

Private school headteacher salaries - pure greed?
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Redruns · 21/10/2024 15:00

If you want a reputation as the best in the business, you have to pay what it takes to attract the best staff.

liverpudcounsel · 21/10/2024 14:59

Head teachers should be paid the market rate, and for Eton that would be typically higher.
Market rate is £100-£140k.
Teachers are paid market rate at private schools broadly in line with the government schools, but the senior levels, deputy and head teachers seem to have money thrown at them in private schools. There should be justification for such disparities.

irregularegular · 21/10/2024 14:58

The prime minster's salary is held ridiculously low compared to the private sector for obvious political reasons, so probably not the best comparison.

Another76543 · 21/10/2024 14:57

@Gruffalowings

Paying a high salary means you are more likely to attract great staff. The Eton head’s salary is still less than £300 per child. I’m sure that parents are more than happy that around £280 of their annual fees are being spent on recruiting someone who can produce great results and a good school.

Out of interest, what are your thoughts on (state) academy heads getting paid £485k when some state schools can’t apparently afford stationery? That salary, £100k more than Eton, is funded by the taxpayer, unlike Eton which is funded by the parents.

schoolsweek.co.uk/highest-earning-academy-chiefs-annual-pay-nears-500k/#:~:text=England's%20best%2Dpaid%20academy%20trust,a%20minimum%20of%20£485%2C000.

Noname99 · 21/10/2024 14:56

Why is it that when discussing Winter fueL allowance, it’s Mick Jäger and MN millionaire parents that are used as the example and when it’s VAT on private schools, it’s Eton.

Neither are representative of the VAST majority of the people in the group. Most pensioners are living on modest incomes and/or state pensions and most private school heads are on a similar wage to their state sector equivalent but usually without the TPS.

Honestly, it’s getting ridiculous now. Are you a home owner or car owner OP? Shall I assume therefore that you drive a Ferrari and live in 20 bedroom mansion because clearly that’s typical
of the group!

MiraculousLadybug · 21/10/2024 14:54

DH used to work in a private school. The head at his last school was on a disgusting amount despite pleading poverty and asking (already badly paid) teachers to take a pay cut using fire and re-hire. 🤢

Redruns · 21/10/2024 14:54

Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:51

Yes. It’s only Eton that is doing that, though. And surely they can’t get away with it? Or do their parents prefer to be fleeced as part of the elite deal?

The parents there have decided, for whatever reason, the place is worth what they're being asked to pay for it. That's how all financial transactions work.

iNoticed · 21/10/2024 14:54

Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:45

Well, private school heads’ salaries only started to go up like this around ten years ago.

I wouldn’t say it is market driven, actually. The article in The Times talks about a ‘benchmarking’ exercise, although wage collusion is illegal, I had thought.

Wage collusion would drive salaries down, not up. Companies aren’t generally out to pay their staff as much as possible.

Benchmarking is common to make sure that salaries are commensurate with responsibilities and comparable roles. If Eton only paid £50k, they’d struggle to fine someone. If they paid £200k, they best candidate will go and work for one of the other top 6 instead. They’re all about the same as they don’t need to go to say, £500k to attract the talent as there’s no other comparable roles paying that.

Wage inflation has been big at the top recently. In 2020 I was promoted to a role that started at £60k. A colleague just got promoted into that same role now at £75k (non education). That’s a 25% increase in the benchmarked salary for that role in 4 years. The same has happened at more senior grades too so I expect it is market driven.

Woollypullover · 21/10/2024 14:52

It's not fleecing, it's individuals choosing to spend their money on whatever they choose.

It's just business.

Hoppinggreen · 21/10/2024 14:51

TromboneClip · 21/10/2024 14:48

The salary info posted comes from the charity commission. So they aren't private businesses!

yes but I was responding to the person saying that they were all charities
Perhaps I misunderstood and they meant all the ones in the report rather than all Private schools, but it is a common misconception

Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:51

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/10/2024 14:47

The extra money they are getting for charging parents the full 20% has got to go somewhere.

Yes. It’s only Eton that is doing that, though. And surely they can’t get away with it? Or do their parents prefer to be fleeced as part of the elite deal?

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Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:50

All of the schools named in that article in The Times are charities.

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TromboneClip · 21/10/2024 14:48

Hoppinggreen · 21/10/2024 14:43

No, not all Private schools are charities.

The salary info posted comes from the charity commission. So they aren't private businesses!

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/10/2024 14:47

The extra money they are getting for charging parents the full 20% has got to go somewhere.

Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:46

CherryHinton · 21/10/2024 14:45

Eton teachers are in the Teachers Pension Scheme still I believe so I also wonder if that big jump reflects changes to what private schools have to put in as employer contributions?

MAT CEO salaries horrify me, especially for the small MATs who seem to be playing business, but that's another story. A place like Eton with more than 1000 staff and expenditure of over 100,000,000, I just can't bring myself to care, honestly.

I recall that Eton are in phased withdrawal from the TPS. I’m pretty sure that Harrow is, too.

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caringcarer · 21/10/2024 14:46

Smartiepants79 · 21/10/2024 14:32

Presumably they think he’s really, really good and they really, really want him?
This affects you how??
You think because he’s working in education he should be doing it for peanuts?
Being head at that school is like being the CEO of a large company with very demanding clients.
His salary is not paid for by you so what has it go to do with you?

This. And it also has no comparison to the Head of the Civil Service which is paid for by taxes.

SockPlant · 21/10/2024 14:45

Are you concerned about what the teachers earn? Their pay award this year? Contracted workers? Do you automatically assume they are treated fairly in these privileged settings?

has zero to do with what the head of Eton gets.

Vote for better politicians/parties. Hold them to account. Are you in a union? You just seem to have a bee in your bonnet because this is all over the news. Think about what it is you want and start lobbying your MP

CherryHinton · 21/10/2024 14:45

Eton teachers are in the Teachers Pension Scheme still I believe so I also wonder if that big jump reflects changes to what private schools have to put in as employer contributions?

MAT CEO salaries horrify me, especially for the small MATs who seem to be playing business, but that's another story. A place like Eton with more than 1000 staff and expenditure of over 100,000,000, I just can't bring myself to care, honestly.

Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:45

iNoticed · 21/10/2024 14:34

Surely you’ve just shown that the salary is market driven and broadly in line with competitors given the top 6 are broadly comparable? If one paid out of line they wouldn’t retain or attract top talent.

I work with plenty people earning more than this managing less revenue and less staff, so seems about right to me.

Also the PM is grossly underpaid and requires someone who values power over money. I’d love to get into politics, but no way would I take a pay cut and lose all job security to do so. Which is sad, as I’d be good at it and I’d do it for the right reasons, my earning potential is just better elsewhere.

Well, private school heads’ salaries only started to go up like this around ten years ago.

I wouldn’t say it is market driven, actually. The article in The Times talks about a ‘benchmarking’ exercise, although wage collusion is illegal, I had thought.

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Hoppinggreen · 21/10/2024 14:43

TromboneClip · 21/10/2024 14:33

Are they private businesses now then? Thought they were all charities?!

No, not all Private schools are charities.

Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:42

Proudtobeanortherner · 21/10/2024 14:37

I’m can’t work out what the point is that you are trying to make? What do these heads salaries have to do with state school teachers pay rises?

I was talking about the teachers in these schools, not the state sector.

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Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:40

CherryHinton · 21/10/2024 14:27

Wait until you find out what newly qualified City solicitors are on, cos if we are comparing apples and motorcycles, you will be outraged. Or, say, CEOs of state school multi academy trusts.

Those headteachers haven't decided to pay that themselves, someone else/a board of somebody elses has made the decision.

I am not going to defend what some MAT heads are paid, either! Nor their seeming lack of accountability.

But I also agree with @LostittoBostik on losing the tax breaks. And I do so at the same time as feeling concerned about the impact of VAT on the sector.

Where’s the scrutiny on spending from parents?

My frustration is that parents aren’t looking at the Heads’ salaries before railing against the government about VAT.

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Pyroleus · 21/10/2024 14:38

But doesn't he have to deal with all the parents of those precious little Etonians? I think he deserves his £370k personally. I'd rather clean toilets with my tongue.

Proudtobeanortherner · 21/10/2024 14:37

Gruffalowings · 21/10/2024 14:30

Are you concerned about what the teachers earn? Their pay award this year? Contracted workers? Do you automatically assume they are treated fairly in these privileged settings?

There is extraordinary licence granted by parents to these greedy individuals. It’s a total blind spot - outrage at VAT going on fees, absolute delight that a very rich individual has been given an above inflation pay award while withdrawing their teachers from the teacher pension scheme.

Where’s the logic?

I’m can’t work out what the point is that you are trying to make? What do these heads salaries have to do with state school teachers pay rises?