To think my friendship will need to end due to Israel/Palestine?

<sigh>

”The Ministry of Defence (MOD) said the Shadow R1 surveillance aircraft - which also fly over Israel as well as international air space - are purely tasked with gathering information to assist Israel's operation to find its hostages.

The spy planes are not involved in gathering intelligence for any other aspect of the war against Hamas, which has resulted in the death of tens of thousands of Palestinians, including women and children.

However, a spokesperson said that the UK would consider a request from international investigators to hand over any evidence the RAF spy planes have collected that might reveal evidence of war crimes.

The spokesperson said: "In line with our international obligations, we would consider any formal request from the International Criminal Court to provide information relating to investigations into war crimes."

It is understood that no such request has yet been made”

TL:DR the British have been flying over Gaza to gather info on the hostages. If they received a request for any info they had they would consider it. They are NOT saying they have evidence of war crimes rather that if they received a request to provide info/evidence they would consider the request.

It’s actually all in the article. Once again, a triumphal posting of a link the content of which is misrepresented.

I wrote a long post but my phone’s playing up and I can’t be bothered to retype.

I’m ethnically Jewish with family in Israel and I don’t agree with what the Israeli govt are doing in Gaza. I don’t agree with the West Bank settlements.

That being said, I wouldn’t go near those marches with a barge pole for too many reasons to write on here.

I just pray for a ceasefire soon.

I honestly don't think I am anti-Semitic. I don't dislike all Jewish people, I don't even dislike all Israeli people.

How good of you. 🙄

OP you should defo not be friends either her.

That woman deserves much better than an anti-Semitic like you in her life.

I hope your friend has been okay during this time where being Jewish in the UK isn’t safe any more.

My maternal great grandmother was Jewish although she converted to Catholicism. My nan also kept her crucifix and requested to see s

I refuse to let them have the last word if that last word is full of misinformation. It needs to be pointed out so others who lack critical thinking and comprehension skills don't fall for it. They're using dangerous rhetoric so it needs to be called out.

(Still waiting for them to stop posting their constant derailments! I was really looking forward to them stopping)

Again, read your own source. They've taken the time to explain that they've only included those phrases when they've actually been used in an anti-semitic way. It's all there, you just need to read. I even highlighted some of it in bold for you in the comment you were replying to. I'm not sure why you're struggling so much with this.

Why are you so opposed to the idea of someone fighting anti-Semitism?

Abort, abort! Gladly.

It matters whether the CST considers as 'extremist', e.g., the chant 'From the river to the sea / Palestine will be free', because the CST produces widely cited figures on reported 'antisemitic incidents', even as it refuses transparency about the basis for those figures.
Jamie Wiener, British Israeli political researcher

What does this ”Israel must be reformed of Zionism in its current form” mean? Well, what do you think it means? You want Israel to stop believing it should exist?

Seeing as I've never argued against self-determination for Palestinians, I don't really understand what you're trying to achieve with that comment. I'm all for a two state solution, always have been. Many Zionists are, certainly the ones I know. Zionism doesn't mean no Palestinian at state. That is just what you are pretending it means to suit your narrative. It's why I've repeatedly asked you to stop misappropriating the word Zionism.

But yes, arguing against Jewish self-determination is anti-Semitic. I'm not sure what word is used for arguing against Palestinian self-determination.

The hatred of an organisation whose sole purpose is to deal with anti-Semitism is really, really odd. It's not a political organisation. It's purely there to prevent anti-Semitism. Why does that bother certain posters so much?!

Yes, he might not have been found to be anti-Semitic on this occasion as he wasn't arguing against self-determination for Jewish people.

So antisemitism is arguing against self determination for Jewish people.

What’s it called when self determination is allowed for Jewish people but no right of self determination for the Palestinian people?

And this is why zionism is an inherently, structurally racist and fascist ideology, and Israel must be reformed of Zionism in its current form.

Self determination for ALL, freedom and a right to exist for ALL. Is there anything wrong in what I said?

"Events in the Middle East informed the language and content of incidents reported to CST. The most common form of anti-Jewish discourse used in antisemitic incidents throughout the year either referenced or was linked to Israel, Palestine, the Hamas terror attack, or the subsequent war. This rhetoric was evident in 1,774 (43%) of the 4,103 cases reported to CST, rising from the 246 recorded in 2022 – a year without a significant trigger event in the region. Of these, 85% happened in the aftermath of Hamas’ attack. A total of 1,299 antisemitic incidents exhibited anti-Zionist motivation (compared to 149 in 2022) alongside antisemitic language or targeting while the terms “Zionism” or “Zionist” were used on 260 occasions, often as euphemisms for “Judaism” and “Jew”, or alongside other antisemitic language. In at least 427 instances, the phrase “Free Palestine” was employed in speech or writing in an antisemitic way. Although not an inherently antisemitic statement, each of these cases were deemed as such because these words were used to abuse Jewish people or institutions simply because they were Jewish, or formed part of a larger outburst including explicitly anti-Jewish sentiments"

Here is the rest of the quote. Weirdly, when you don't just cherry-pick quotes it tells a very different story. I've put parts in bold that shows just how badly you're misrepresenting your own source.

‘The belief that Israel’s actions amount to apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide are “worthy of respect in a democratic society”, said the judge.

You didn't call out inflated reports. The link youprovided says only actual anti-Semitic incidents were counted.

Actual? Who defines what is an ‘Actual’ incident.

QUOTING this for the second time:

‘The most common form of anti-Jewish discourse used in antisemitic incidents throughout the year either referenced or was linked to Israel, Palestine, the Hamas terror attack, or the subsequent war.’ (CST)

Conflated.to.manufacture.consent.for.genocide.

Yes, he might not have been found to be anti-Semitic on this occasion as he wasn't arguing against self-determination for Jewish people. Other people who use the exact same phrases are arguing against Jewish self-determination and therefore would be anti-Semitic.

Stop misrepresenting your own sources and quotes.

I don’t need to click on a link to know that it’s really easy to say one thing while doing the opposite. If it walks like a duck…

To those who cannot be bothered to click the link, this view is protected by law: “..not incompatible with human dignity and not conflict with the fundamental rights of others”.

‘Miller, who lectured at the university on political sociology, told the panel he thought Zionism was “inherently racist, imperialist and colonial”.
He added that Zionism was “ideologically bound to lead to the practices of apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide in pursuit of territorial control and expansion”. But he told the panel that his anti-Zionism did not equate to opposition towards Jews.
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The judge continued: “[Prof Miller]’s opposition to Zionism is not opposition to the idea of Jewish self-determination or of a preponderantly Jewish state existing in the world, but rather, as he defines it, to the exclusive realisation of Jewish rights to self-determination within a land that is home to a very substantial non-Jewish population.’

You didn't call out inflated reports. The link you provided says only actual anti-Semitic incidents were counted. You yourself have since been called out on misrepresenting the facts but you're refusing to accept it. Does truth not matter to you?

Jewish people are not safe in the diaspora because we're constantly being threatened, which is why CST, parent volunteers and funding for security by parents is required at Jewish schools. You've repeatedly ignored these facts. You are incorrect in your repeated assertion that Jewish people are safe in the diaspora. It is not factual.

And again, stop misappropriating the word Zionism. It's not ok.

I can’t let this pass without comment.

Hmm let’s see, why have I been called an antisemite.

1. I called out inflated reports of antisemitism as being conflated with criticism of Israel, or zionism
2. I believe these inflated reports are used to manufacture consent for genocide in Palestine. This view that Jews are under threat so they need a safe place to go.
3. I believe Israels actions are the cause of insecurity of Jews in the diaspora and in Israel
4. I believe Jews are safer in their home country than in Israel and I believe the actions of Israel endanger Jews, including the people it calls on to serve in the IDF. Many Jews have left their home country (UK, France, US, etc) to serve in the IDF, and they were killed while committing war crimes and serving genocidal regime
5. I believe Israel needs complete and total reform, from the genocidal apartheid regime it currently is, just as South Africa
6. I believe individuals that support genocide should be held socially accountable for their views and advocacy

You’ll note, my antizionist stance is protected by law. I stand by all of my comments.

amp.theguardian.com/money/2024/oct/14/anti-zionist-beliefs-worthy-respect-uk-tribunal-finds-israel