Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Friend in trouble, police at my door.

289 replies

Playgroundincident · 21/10/2024 11:12

My friends daughter is in year five mine is in year 4. My friend is an black, Muslim Zimbabwean woman daughter is also. Daughter has been receiving snipey racist abuse from a child in her class. Always where teachers can't hear and it's been going on for a couple of weeks. Daughter is a wonderful, sociable intelligent sporty kid an absolute pleasure to be around. Friend had been in to school at the beans thought it had been addressed however over the weekend it emerged that it hasn't and the child is still doing it, daughter hadn't said anything to her mum.
My friend was so upset, we walked in he dropped the kids off his morning, she said goodbye to he daughter then we watched the kids line up to go in. My friend and I stood in another part of the playground till she saw the boy who had been racist towards her daughter. She flew at him shouting all sorts of profanities, told him she was going to hit him, fucking kill him. The child was understandably frightened and the dad of another child stepped in and tried to calm the situation down. I grabbed her and took her out of the playground so the teachers could deal with the child. I've never seen he do this before she is not normally this way inclined but has a shit year with a husband who thinks she is there to serve him, left her for another woman, both parents died so her threshold is low at the moment. I sat with her in the car to calm her down. I told her I can't imagine how she is feeling he daughter being racially abused, told her I understood that she wanted to protect her but threatening to kill a 10 year old was not on. She's now annoyed at me asI didn't stick up for her.
An hour later the police have turned up at my door looking for her asking had I seen her, getting a witness statement because school have reported her. Friend has phoned me saying that she knows it was me who told the police and how she thought I would have her back and the year 4/5 WhatsApp has lit up with comments about how I should have done something slagging my friend and me off. For the record I don't agree with what she did but I've now got her and police to deal with. and now he child who made the racist comments mum threatening me. He whole thins is absolutely zero to do with me. I feel sorry for the children but any advice on how to navigate this would be much appreciated. Not sure whether to go for radio silence with everyone but police and school or say something on WhatsApp. My son is in he school and I don't want any fall out on him or my friends daughter either. Any suggestions appreciated.

OP posts:
listsandbudgets · 21/10/2024 13:34

FrequentNameChanger2024 · 21/10/2024 12:23

Why did you give a statement to the police about it? You didnt have to do that.

Her behaviour was out of order, but I'd not be friends with someone who gave a statement to the police about me. I cant believe you've done that

To be fair, I wouldn't be friends with someone who made threats of violence and death to a 10 year old so I expect that consideration is out of the window for OP anyway.

@Playgroundincident This sounds awful for you. You must feel very stuck in the middle. You've had some great advice here so I won't add to it. Hopefully when people calm down they'll understand you did what you could in the circumstances and some of them will already understand that. There are always a few idiots who want to stir everyone else up - perhaps in this instance their friends of racist child's parents.

justasking111 · 21/10/2024 13:32

This is why people don't intervene any more. The ignorant keyboard warriors on a school WhatsApp group, the mother who's gone nuclear because of other issues in her life.

Playgroundincident · 21/10/2024 13:31

@Gillbeck I'm not going to be attending any school meetings. I've got enough going on with my own kiddo and a full time job without that as well. I will speak with school of course.

OP posts:
easylikeasundaymorn · 21/10/2024 13:31

WillowTit · 21/10/2024 13:00

but why did the police come to op's door?

Why wouldn't they? I've taken loads of witness statements in my day. If a crime is committed the first step is to take witness statements. The op is obviously one of the key witnesses, I imagine they will also try and take statements from the dad that intervened, the child and any other parents who witnessed the whole thing.

Whoever reported it clearly knows who op is so how else would they get her statement than coming to her house? Its good practice to take a statement as soon as possible after the incident. And while OP could have refused most people have a civic responsibility to assist if they can which should override her responsibility to her friend. As long as she was truthful she isn't getting her friend in trouble, her friends own actions have already done that. It took place in the playground, there were enough witnesses that even if OP had refused the actual facts of what happened wouldn't be disputed, if anything op has helped her friend out by backing up the mitigating circumstances, which is the one thing none of the other witnesses will be able to provide.

aperolspritzbasicbitch · 21/10/2024 13:30

I don't think anyone thinks the mum was in the right, but I think she can be cut a little slack.

I would be wild with rage if my child was getting bullied.
Add on to that everything else that's been going on and I'm sure her mental health isn't the best, and she's emotionally wound so tight that she's just snapped.

The op has said that this is completely out of character, so I'm sure her friend will be beside herself when the reality of her actions hits her.

Heronwatcher · 21/10/2024 13:25

FrequentNameChanger2024 · 21/10/2024 12:37

Said no? You don't have to give a statement to the police. Does she think making a statement confirming her friends behaviour was going to help her friend? Plus telling police she didnt agree with her friend.

Which I get, her friend shouldnt of behaved like that. But she could and should of said no to the police in my eyes

Does she think making a statement confirming her friends behaviour was going to help her friend?

@FrequentNameChanger2024 yes I think her giving a balanced and accurate account to the police about what happened may well help her friend. Can you imagine what the child, and the child’s parent would have said? Plus there are likely to be quite a few other people who witnessed the incident so it’s hardly like the OP can assume that if she doesn’t give a statement the whole incident will be forgotten about.

Plus if you refuse to answer questions you could end up with a summons to attend court which won’t look good for the OP or her friend.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 21/10/2024 13:25

FrequentNameChanger2024 · 21/10/2024 12:23

Why did you give a statement to the police about it? You didnt have to do that.

Her behaviour was out of order, but I'd not be friends with someone who gave a statement to the police about me. I cant believe you've done that

I guess she also doesn't need to be friends with someone who not only put her in that situation in the first place but does something so stupid then falsely accuses her of reporting to the police when common sense will tell you that doing something like that on school grounds will result in the school calling the police.

Adios "friend"

oakleaffy · 21/10/2024 13:25

WillowTit · 21/10/2024 13:03

but you shouldnt be making posts about it @Playgroundincident

Exactly...What's the point?
It just creates more ''drama''.

DoreenonTill8 · 21/10/2024 13:22

Exactly as @oakleaffy has put.
Your description of She flew at him shouting all sorts of profanities, told him she was going to hit him, fucking kill him. is frightening enough to me as an adult never mind a child. And that's your description of it as her friend, I wonder how bad it actually was.

GillBeck · 21/10/2024 13:21

During this meeting you can also make school aware and corroborate your friend's story of the extent of what's been happening.

How can she do that?

easylikeasundaymorn · 21/10/2024 13:20

Helpimfalling · 21/10/2024 12:28

As someone whos white passing see her non white passing son experience racism so much throughout the years it's disgusting.

Imagine your child being bullied for a prolong amount of time.
Even when you're in the same playground and the school do nothing about it.
It won't have been the first time either in my experience.

At one time your parental instincts kick in and you fight to protect your child, you see red and tell the child off.
Maybe threats to kill are too far but jeez come on if anyone else had threatened their child's long time bully I'm sure a lot of people would be like good on that mum.

Now lots of people are even telling you to drop the mum as a friend.

It's sometimes a natural protective instinct after your child being heartbroken for so long and no one doing anything about it.

But I doubt many of you would understand as I didn't until I had my obviously mixed child.

MAYBE threats to kill a ten year old are too far? Just maybe?
I haven't seen anyone say the mum isn't justified in being upset and even furious at the bullying child and of course the school should have done what they said but there is no justifying an adult attacking a child nor blaming the person who has been trying to help you.

Lots of children are bullied for lots of reasons, bullying is despicable and can have a life long effect on victims but there's a reason we don't just set parents on kids. Apart from anything else what is that teaching her child -x isn't allowed to take out his feelings on you but it's fine for me to take out my feelings on x?

oakleaffy · 21/10/2024 13:19

Playgroundincident · 21/10/2024 11:29

It was the school, they obviously rang as soon as possible. I was sat in the car for at least 45 minutes calming her down so she could drive home safely. Police turned up about 20 mins after I got home. I've given them my statement and said I absolutely do not condone or agree with her behaviour but did try to give some context as to her out of character actions. She is trying to protect her child, just going the wrong way about it.

She sounds like a loose cannon.
Threatening to kill a child, and needing calming down so she is ''safe to drive'' sounds like you should disassociate fast.

The fact she flies to violence makes me wonder if she physically punishes her child as well?

Too hot headed and volatile if the school felt it necessary to call the police?

Cool off and step right back from her.

Keep your own counsel.

PrincessOfPreschool · 21/10/2024 13:09

I would make police aware of the threats to you by racist child's mum.

I would make school aware of the extent of the gossip and that you want an extra eye on your child as your seem to have been drawn into it.

During this meeting you can also make school aware and corroborate your friend's story of the extent of what's been happening.

Rosscameasdoody · 21/10/2024 13:09

ChristmasisinManchester · 21/10/2024 12:59

She threatened to kill a child.

i had a family member who had police involvement after she rough handled a child bully.

Can we just clarify. OP didn’t threaten to kill a child. Her friend did.

Rosscameasdoody · 21/10/2024 13:07

MartinCrieffsLemon · 21/10/2024 11:17

So you didn't step in until a different parent had stepped in first?

I can see why you're getting part of the blame.

It's tough. You're getting it from all sides now. Maybe a simple "I do not condone Friend's actions and it was nothing to do with me. Please stop sending me threats or I will report them to the police"

And make school aware as well

Why on earth should she have any part of the blame ? Another parent simply stepped in before OP did. That doesn’t make any of this her fault any more than any of the other bystanders who didn’t step in before the parent who did.

WillowTit · 21/10/2024 13:06

she would no longer be my friend

GillBeck · 21/10/2024 13:05

FrequentNameChanger2024 · 21/10/2024 12:56

Again, that's not what I said is it? Are you going to keep doing this?

”But she could and should of said no to the police in my eyes”

WillowTit · 21/10/2024 13:03

but you shouldnt be making posts about it @Playgroundincident

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 21/10/2024 13:03

WillowTit · 21/10/2024 13:00

but why did the police come to op's door?

Because school reported to police and they were clearly told she was involved with the altercation.

So they came to see what she has to say - what she witnessed and what she says she was doing.

Playgroundincident · 21/10/2024 13:03

FrequentNameChanger2024 · 21/10/2024 12:23

Why did you give a statement to the police about it? You didnt have to do that.

Her behaviour was out of order, but I'd not be friends with someone who gave a statement to the police about me. I cant believe you've done that

Aside from the fact that I jut said what I'd seen. My job requires me to take hild safeguarding seriously regardless of he consequences to my personal relationships. I can't just dismiss that responsibility and what she did was wrong.

OP posts:
WillowTit · 21/10/2024 13:03

offyoujollywelltrot · 21/10/2024 13:01

She was a witness FFS.

in that case take the post down @Playgroundincident

ThreeLocusts · 21/10/2024 13:02

OP just to say what an awful situation and I'm sorry you're getting judgy comments on here too from people who think you should be able to see the future or determine another adult's behaviour. I've seen situations like this before, where someone who is peripheral to the real problem becomes the scapegoat in a difficult situation.

Although it's tempting to just tell everyone that you're not the problem here and go silent, I think you'll be better off, since this situation is going to take some time to play out, to correct all the misstatements of fact. Tell your friend that no you didn't report her to the police and why would she think that, as her behaviour was public enough; tell the whatsapp group that you did what you could to defuse situation and could not have acted more quickly, tell the mother of the abusive boy that she needs to deal with her son's behaviour instead of randomly blaming you, tell the school that you don't condone your friend's actions but want to support her because you see the bigger picture. Tell the police what they want to know.

Ugh, it's a pain having to do so much justifying when you've done nothing wrong. Try to look after yourself, treat yourself, make sure you step away if you need to. This could become quite a drain on your energy. But kudos to you for trying to be decent and fair-minded here. I hope all the chatter stops.

offyoujollywelltrot · 21/10/2024 13:01

WillowTit · 21/10/2024 13:00

but why did the police come to op's door?

She was a witness FFS.

WillowTit · 21/10/2024 13:00

but why did the police come to op's door?

offyoujollywelltrot · 21/10/2024 13:00

Leave her to it. She lost any sympathy I had when she thought hurling profanities and threatening to kill a child was a reasonable response, rather than speaking to the child's parents.