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Playgroundincident · 21/10/2024 11:12

My friends daughter is in year five mine is in year 4. My friend is an black, Muslim Zimbabwean woman daughter is also. Daughter has been receiving snipey racist abuse from a child in her class. Always where teachers can't hear and it's been going on for a couple of weeks. Daughter is a wonderful, sociable intelligent sporty kid an absolute pleasure to be around. Friend had been in to school at the beans thought it had been addressed however over the weekend it emerged that it hasn't and the child is still doing it, daughter hadn't said anything to her mum.
My friend was so upset, we walked in he dropped the kids off his morning, she said goodbye to he daughter then we watched the kids line up to go in. My friend and I stood in another part of the playground till she saw the boy who had been racist towards her daughter. She flew at him shouting all sorts of profanities, told him she was going to hit him, fucking kill him. The child was understandably frightened and the dad of another child stepped in and tried to calm the situation down. I grabbed her and took her out of the playground so the teachers could deal with the child. I've never seen he do this before she is not normally this way inclined but has a shit year with a husband who thinks she is there to serve him, left her for another woman, both parents died so her threshold is low at the moment. I sat with her in the car to calm her down. I told her I can't imagine how she is feeling he daughter being racially abused, told her I understood that she wanted to protect her but threatening to kill a 10 year old was not on. She's now annoyed at me asI didn't stick up for her.
An hour later the police have turned up at my door looking for her asking had I seen her, getting a witness statement because school have reported her. Friend has phoned me saying that she knows it was me who told the police and how she thought I would have her back and the year 4/5 WhatsApp has lit up with comments about how I should have done something slagging my friend and me off. For the record I don't agree with what she did but I've now got her and police to deal with. and now he child who made the racist comments mum threatening me. He whole thins is absolutely zero to do with me. I feel sorry for the children but any advice on how to navigate this would be much appreciated. Not sure whether to go for radio silence with everyone but police and school or say something on WhatsApp. My son is in he school and I don't want any fall out on him or my friends daughter either. Any suggestions appreciated.

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Wellingtonspie · 21/10/2024 20:44

DoreenonTill8 · 21/10/2024 20:41

Absolutely, so on the argument of some here, it'll be Absolutely fine for this 10 yo's older brother/dad to approach this woman and scream and threaten her he's going to hurt and kill her, and then in retaliation people from her family threaten them..
And so on infinitum?

Exactly. Let’s get the dad or mum to go screaming at the friend that she/he is going to hit and kill her. Only fair right.

DoreenonTill8 · 21/10/2024 20:41

CustardCreams2 · 21/10/2024 19:47

Finally some sense. The other people defending the physically/verbally abusive mum on here have lost the plot. It is never ok to threaten to kill someone. Especially a child. 10 is definitely still a child last time I checked.

On the basis of some accused slight. Do any of us know the facts here? Until concrete facts are presented with evidence - all else is pure speculation. What a shame to slander a young boy without even knowing the full situation.

Absolutely, so on the argument of some here, it'll be Absolutely fine for this 10 yo's older brother/dad to approach this woman and scream and threaten her he's going to hurt and kill her, and then in retaliation people from her family threaten them..
And so on infinitum?

Wellingtonspie · 21/10/2024 20:39

Startrekkeruniverse · 21/10/2024 20:34

Maybe they should have, the bullying might have stopped!

It did stop anyway. They lived down my
own street. Once I changed schools we had some space and it all went away.

I’ll never side with an adult screaming at a child that they want to hit and kill them over some words no matter how mean those words are.

You’re a grown ass adult. Act like one. leave the childish shit to the children and teach not abuse.

Startrekkeruniverse · 21/10/2024 20:34

Wellingtonspie · 21/10/2024 16:50

So verbally abusing a child and telling them you will kill them is acceptable behaviour.

Hmm

I was bullied horribly as a child, I refused to go to school, was dragged in and eventually moved schools. At no point did my family decide running upto a child screaming and threatening them was acceptable thank god.

Maybe they should have, the bullying might have stopped!

GillBeck · 21/10/2024 20:17

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 21/10/2024 20:11

Do explain the parallel here. I don't see it, but obviously these are the kids that weren't put in their place like this woman did.

Edited

People taking matters into their own hands in response to what they consider as too much tolerance by the state….

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 21/10/2024 20:11

GillBeck · 21/10/2024 19:51

Or the civil unrest earlier this summer?

Do explain the parallel here. I don't see it, but obviously these are the kids that weren't put in their place like this woman did.

GillBeck · 21/10/2024 19:51

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 21/10/2024 19:17

If there are better ways to combat racism and bullying why is it still rife in schools then? If it's not sorted after a few decades then the mechanisms to deal with it aren't working are they.

Sorry, but schools are to blame for having way too much tolerance for this. Stop enabling them by blaming the parent for being at her wits end and taking matters into her own hands. I'm surprised people haven't learned anything about the anger this creates in a lot of people after the incident resulting in a global reaction resulting in civil unrest a few years ago.

Edited

Or the civil unrest earlier this summer?

CustardCreams2 · 21/10/2024 19:47

Wellingtonspie · 21/10/2024 16:31

I can’t believe anyone would stick up for a grown adult charging at a child lining up to go into school and screaming and shouting at them and threatening to kill them.

Mum will hopefully now be banned from school premises. If the school where not dealing with bullying you move it higher up the chain and report to the police as well you don’t tell a 10 year old your going to kill them! Smh

Had one of these types of parents at our school recently kicking over an issue (not bullying or racism) it put the whole school in lock down. Parent is banned from premises and the child’s now a social outcast. Nobody wants to go near the child.

Finally some sense. The other people defending the physically/verbally abusive mum on here have lost the plot. It is never ok to threaten to kill someone. Especially a child. 10 is definitely still a child last time I checked.

On the basis of some accused slight. Do any of us know the facts here? Until concrete facts are presented with evidence - all else is pure speculation. What a shame to slander a young boy without even knowing the full situation.

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 21/10/2024 19:17

Josette77 · 21/10/2024 18:17

No.

My son and I have both dealt with racism and I never threatened to kill the kid.

I'm not going to teach my son that's how things are handled and I'm not going to enforce awful racial stereotypes by looking unhinged.

No to mention this doesn't happen in a vacuum. The kid wasn't born racist. I think there are better ways to combat racism.

If there are better ways to combat racism and bullying why is it still rife in schools then? If it's not sorted after a few decades then the mechanisms to deal with it aren't working are they.

Sorry, but schools are to blame for having way too much tolerance for this. Stop enabling them by blaming the parent for being at her wits end and taking matters into her own hands. I'm surprised people haven't learned anything about the anger this creates in a lot of people after the incident resulting in a global reaction resulting in civil unrest a few years ago.

Josette77 · 21/10/2024 18:17

Savingthehedgehogs · 21/10/2024 16:52

No one has said it is acceptable, only understandable in the context of racial abuse of which I assume does not apply to you - or you might understand it differently.

No.

My son and I have both dealt with racism and I never threatened to kill the kid.

I'm not going to teach my son that's how things are handled and I'm not going to enforce awful racial stereotypes by looking unhinged.

No to mention this doesn't happen in a vacuum. The kid wasn't born racist. I think there are better ways to combat racism.

Josette77 · 21/10/2024 18:14

Forgot to quote post.

Heronwatcher · 21/10/2024 18:07

Wellingtonspie · 21/10/2024 17:54

Bullying in school id expect the teachers / dinner ladies etc to be the witnesses.

If no adult is ever hearing it then I doubt many if any children are either. Bullies are crafty after all.

This playground incident has both other parents and teachers as witnesses the children are not needed other than the kid who’s been threatened.

This happened at drop off in the morning. Depends on the school but in the playground at our school there’s one teacher on the gate, then the others are all inside the classroom. Dinner ladies are already in the kitchen. No CCTV as it’s a primary school. So with regards to the parent incident there may not have been many staff at all who saw the whole thing, knew the context and spoke to the mum afterwards.

Ditto the child incident- they said that the teachers didn’t notice but the teacher has eyes on 30 kids, I bet kids sitting on the same table know what’s going on though.

Don’t assume that someone else will always step in.

Bigsigh24 · 21/10/2024 18:00

Not sure why the replies go off like they do sometimes on Mumset, you’ve made it clear what happened.

As some others have said either ignore or make a post where you may it clear this will be your only response , your friend is an adult, you were not aware of any plans she had to confront this child, you were aware of the issues your friends child was having and this in itself is not acceptable, and neither is your friends behaviour to a child.

this is being dealt with by the Police from the school report to them. You have made a statement to them, because they presented at your home. Add that the whole experiencing is upsetting and ask that people bear in mind that children should be protected at home and school and if anything comes from this , which can be in anyway positive, that you hope the children are supported and not in anyway further affected and tormenting by these events , end off, leave the chats x, wishing you well x

TheSpoonyNavyReader · 21/10/2024 17:56

OP, your friend did not like (rightly) another child bullying her child, your friend then bullied a child shouting and threatening to kill him. Your friend is 1000% times worse imo, as an adult you do not bully anyone more vulnerable them yourself and should have the emotional intelligence not to snap.

This mother does not know what the school have said or done, or what the boy has said her daughter has done.

I would go on the WhatsApp group and say you are equally as shocked as others at the incident this morning and removed the person as quickly as you could to defuse the situation.
You should as state that you have given a statement so can not comment further.

The boys mother you send a message saying please do not contact me and any further communications will be reported to the police, as you have done nothing wrong and she is bullying you.

saraclara · 21/10/2024 17:56

Wellingtonspie · 21/10/2024 17:54

Bullying in school id expect the teachers / dinner ladies etc to be the witnesses.

If no adult is ever hearing it then I doubt many if any children are either. Bullies are crafty after all.

This playground incident has both other parents and teachers as witnesses the children are not needed other than the kid who’s been threatened.

OP said that the boy was bullying her out of sight of staff.

Wellingtonspie · 21/10/2024 17:54

Heronwatcher · 21/10/2024 17:50

In that case I hope that you/ your kids never either get bullied or threatened by an adult saying they were going to kill them in a school playground. A wall of silence works both ways.

Bullying in school id expect the teachers / dinner ladies etc to be the witnesses.

If no adult is ever hearing it then I doubt many if any children are either. Bullies are crafty after all.

This playground incident has both other parents and teachers as witnesses the children are not needed other than the kid who’s been threatened.

cansu · 21/10/2024 17:52

Your friend sounds like a fool. Threatening a child in a school playground is utterly bonkers. In all honesty this is why children are behaving badly and bullying others. Some do not have good role models.

Heronwatcher · 21/10/2024 17:50

Katbum · 21/10/2024 17:26

Presumably the ‘witnesses’ in that case would be other kids? I’d advise my child not to get involved, yes

In that case I hope that you/ your kids never either get bullied or threatened by an adult saying they were going to kill them in a school playground. A wall of silence works both ways.

saraclara · 21/10/2024 17:42

Playgroundincident · 21/10/2024 16:31

I have texted my friend and have told her that while I don't condone her actions I understand her trigger. I'm white British but my sister is black so I've seen it for years with her. I've told her that I have given the police the full picture of the kind of person I've experienced her to be which is clever, kind warm and supportive. She is still upset, I don't know what has happened and I haven't had a reply but I do sincerely care about her, I care about the children and I had (have) to continue to do the right thing.

That was a good message. I hope you also told her that it wasn't you that reported to the police, though. in fact I'd have told her that it was the school. Because a) it's obvious anyway, and b) the school has big enough shoulders (and the LA/Academy's backing) to cope with any fallout. You should not have to carry the can for them. I'm a retired teacher so I know that the school would expect to carry the responsibility for their action

Marchitectmummy · 21/10/2024 17:38

Your friend is unhinged and should be held accountable for her actions, her husband is an excuse not a reason. We all navigate things in life but threatening to kill a child and running around playgrounds hunting for children is not acceptable behaviour in an adult under any circumstances. Her terrible behaviour are not a solution for a child's comments and behaviour towards her daughter.

In terms of others blaming of you, ignore it or as others have said defend yourself. Leave the school to deal with it all, probably this will end with the boys family pressing charges against her. Her poor daughter already bullied at school and then her mum embarrassing her.

Lndnmummy · 21/10/2024 17:35

How exactly is your friend 'threatening' you? Had the school dealt with this racist behaviour as appropriate, none of this would have happened. They are at fault here.

Katbum · 21/10/2024 17:26

DoreenonTill8 · 21/10/2024 16:30

So if the police ask for witnesses of the racial abuse the dd has been getting- no one should say anything?

Presumably the ‘witnesses’ in that case would be other kids? I’d advise my child not to get involved, yes

GillBeck · 21/10/2024 17:23

Todaywasbetter · 21/10/2024 17:19

Nothing will come of it. Courtwise. At worst. She may be banned from entering the playground for a limited period.

I would hope at minimum she receives a caution.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 21/10/2024 17:23

Wellingtonspie · 21/10/2024 17:08

Can’t say I did or do actually.

The school have failed clearly but acting the way the mum has won’t have fixed her issue. Her child will be an outcast. school won’t be able to let her in again as she’s a threat to children.

The other parents are going to want zero to do with her or her child apart from To gossip.

All that she’s achieved is possibly a criminal
record and needing to move her child’s school oh and playing into the “crazy black women” trope/sterotype that is already held against black women everytime they dare be mad about anything.

Yup and it is all the schoo's fault for not dealing with it.

Todaywasbetter · 21/10/2024 17:19

Nothing will come of it. Courtwise. At worst. She may be banned from entering the playground for a limited period.