To say no to covid vaccine for DS?

I can see how people think it's related
Last night I started with what I think is flu, and this morning I was meant to be going for my flu and Covid vaccine
If the illness had started just 24hrs later it would have been straight after my vaccines
But it's definitely not related as it started before and I've cancelled them

Thanks, I really appreciate that. I’m going through a horrible breakup and other crap and I just want to cry just now to be honest and I genuinely appreciate that, thanks for being kind there. I just want to go under a duvet and cry my eyes out lol thanks again and I agree with what you said in that post. X

Even "mild" covid cases can lead to long covid, especially if you've had it more than once.

And covid has been implicated in causing or boosting all sort of other illnesses. There are numerous studies accessible online with data on this.

I had a work colleague whose mother didn't believe I vaccines. She walked with a very pronounced limp, because of Polio. I wonder how she and her mother viewed the 'Golden Age' when you didn't have to make any decisions. People just got polio. died of diphtheria, measles, whooping cough, smallpox and a host of other preventable illnesses.
Great days? I think not.

Yes, the scale was different certainly. But that was because we were dealing with levels of infection and impact of infection on a scale outside living memory.

I'm sorry you're feeling unwell. I hope you feel better soon.

Not being unreasonable. I haven't got my kids done and after my first one I haven't had anymore.

I’m not saying they were different I’m saying the scale -the entire country, the level of division created, the gaslighting, the shaming etc was on a scale like we had never seen. I know the point I’m making, I e made it a few times throughout this thread. I’m not blaming you obviously but I’m actually so tired today I could burst into tears right now and I literally don’t care anymore who gets what or doesn’t and who thinks what anymore, I wish I hadn’t even commented now. I really do.

I am not deliberately misunderstanding you.

You are claiming that the side effects of the covid vaccine were downplayed and minimised. Yes they were. However, the side effects of the MMR vaccine are also down played and minimised. How is the covid vaccine any different in the regard?

I am a person who comes from a country where they do only baby or exotic travel vaccines. My brother lives there and his whole family had covid, neither he nor his friends nor relatives nor neighbours took the vaccine or do flu vaccines. Some other people do. Just not the ones I know

I am asthmatic on paper and had covid also, do not do flu nor covid vaccines and am very healthy; just take the ventolin seasonally

If they know something I don't, I would be very happy to have a look at the peer reviewed publications supporting their stance. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be able to point me towards that.

I do recall one poster on a different thread pointing me towards an article in a predatory journal (I.e. One that will publish anything provided you pay them). I did have a look at the paper and the study design was somewhat less than robust.

I am neither pro nor anti vaccine. I believe you are taking a risk when you get a vaccine. However, the decision you need to make is whether you would be taking a bigger risk by not getting it.

I have never gotten the flu vaccine until this year. The reason being was I was low risk of contracting flu and low risk of serious complications from flu. I have since acquired a severe case of an auto immune disease as a result of covid so this year I got the flu vaccine as I believe the risks associated with not getting the vaccine are now higher than the risks associated with not getting it.

Ds (17yo) is cv so gets offered the jab. I was going to not worry about it this time because he's always ill after any injection for about 3 days of high temperatures.

However it seems rife round here currently, and the general consensus is that it's a nasty variant taking a good couple of weeks to recover for people who aren't cv and I've known some hospitalisations on non-cv people which I haven't for since the early days of covid.

So he's booked in.

He should have had it Friday, but it was cancelled. Not sure why.

Edited to add:
He's also never had covid (and yes, we do test) despite all his friends having had it a couple of times, and various family members (we don't get the jabs now) having it around him. So it does look like it does protect him.

Yes, the incubation period for influenza is 1-4 days, so whatever illness he had (tonsillitis I think?) wouldn't have been related to his vaccination.

I appreciate that. I’m speaking about covid though - it was a very different beast across the board of how everything was handled. That’s the point I’m making- I think it’s pretty obvious that it was different and that’s what I’m saying. I’m actually exhausted today and I don’t have it in me to keep making the same point only to be misunderstood deliberately.

You are more likely to get a blood clot from Covid infection than from the vaccine. Secondly the vaccine many have a very rare side effect of a clot but it actually indirectly reduces the chance of clot if you are infected by Covid.
You are at more risk of getting a clot by not being vaccinated!

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11177983/

*He’s had the flu vaccine twice and taken unwell within weeks on both occasions so I’ve opted out of that one this year.
If he has taken unwell within weeks of having the vaccine is not the vaccine that made him ill.
Personally I would let him have all the recommended vaccines. If he has asthma both flu and Covid could be dangerous

The covid vaccine is no different in that respect to any other vaccine. They don't exactly advertise the side effects of the MMR vaccine when running campaigns to increase uptake. Same with the flu vaccine. However, people don't seem to have the same reaction to that. You just have to look at any threads where the poster is thinking of not getting the MMR. You would think they were personally going out murdering babies.

Governments are looking at things from a population level rather than an individual level. The more people are vaccinated for flu, measles, etc. the better at a population level. Covid is the same.

Also, I hadn’t heard of this programme. A quick look through my hospital website and page I can’t find anything. I’m not on a ward and not frontline, I work in an office. I found it quite pushy and intrusive that they were coming into our office asking us if we wanted it. Thank goodness they u-turned on making it mandatory for NHS staff.

Misinformed or they know something you don't - always wroth keeping and open mind

But if your child has asthma a flu jab may be life saving, and can certainly avoid a lot of pain and distress

Risk v benefit is quite complex. You need to incorporate the fact that Covid itself causes the same side effects as the vaccine, and more. Emerging research suggests that effects from Covid are more likely to be serious.

Covid is also linked to effects not correlated with the vaccine, such as the post-Covid spike of 30% in the rate of heart attack and stroke amongst young adults.

However I am not aware of research about whether the same people are likely to get serious side effects from Covid as from the vaccine. Ie if you think you got a bad side effect from the vaccine, would you have got it from Covid? Vice versa? (Which is theoretically less likely)

Yes, quite worrying that they have been misinformed about my child, find it quite pushy.

Yes I’m aware of that thanks. That’s not why I made the point. The fact is, at the time, no one knew what the side effects of the covid vaccines were. People know that all medications have side effects and yet any potential side effects, short or long term were being downplayed or not discussed at all. This, Understandably lead to fear and distrust. The people who were fearful and distrustful were made to feel stupid and conspiracy minded when often times they were questioning the safety of a vaccination when its long term safety record was unknown. None of that was helpful. To anyone. It lead to fear, misinformation, suppression of information, public distrust, divide and a real nastiness where you were seen to be stupid/ignorant or selfish if you dared to question it or hold back from getting it and you were sensible and responsible if you did. This was wrong. I do understand that all medications have side effects. That wasn’t the point I was making. I have no axe to grind for myself I’m just observing what I saw happening.

That is a really good point. The only outrage I have seen about that on MN is because of the (mistaken) perception that "unemployed people are going to get the fat jab for free".

That's a partial review of literature, not research, but I take your point. I wouldn't feel confident in using that to influence anybody else though. Which I fear your absolutism might.

I'm all for people exercising some critical thinking, especially where big pharma and government is concerned. Yet we've got a huge pharmaceutical company giving 300m quid to the government to use their drug in a trial which is likely to guide our government's approach to tackling obesity and barely anyone is raising as much as an eyebrow.