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To say no to covid vaccine for DS?

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Clarabell77 · 20/10/2024 08:55

My DS10 has asthma - mild albeit a chest infection 14 months ago ended up in an overnight in hospital on a nebuliser/steroid and he’s had to have a steroid once during that time for another infection.

He’s been identified as being at risk and offered a Covid vaccine. I’m not sure whether to allow him to have it as I’m sure he’s had Covid quite a few times when we’ve all tested positive at home - can’t test him as he won’t let me near him with a swab. He’s had mild symptoms, even when ours weren’t.

He’s had the flu vaccine twice and taken unwell within weeks on both occasions so I’ve opted out of that one this year. Does anyone have any thoughts on the Covid one? Ideally someone who has actual knowledge, not from YouTube, I’m not a covid denier or anti vaxxer.

AIBU to not get him the vaccine?

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BleedingMeDry · 23/10/2024 19:28

GreenBlinker · 20/10/2024 09:45

No... if I had a choice when they were rolled out I wouldn't have one. The only reason I took was to be able to travel to my dying mother, otherwise I would've stayed put. I take flu vaccine but not Covid. The potential risk or blood clot in my brain it's just too much for me to handle mentally.

I guess if you get a blood clot in your brain you won’t have to worry about much of anything anymore. Covid can cause nasty blood clots too, so there’s that xx

Toomanywars · 23/10/2024 19:00

Clocloxx · 23/10/2024 17:55

Yeah keep the wool over you're eyes you're better off

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Ah is that special code for 'sheep' not very original are you. Grow up. Read the information, it couldn't be shown as the reason why.

Clocloxx · 23/10/2024 17:55

Toomanywars · 22/10/2024 10:03

But it doesn't mean the vaccine killed him. There no evidence that it did.

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Yeah keep the wool over you're eyes you're better off

Toomanywars · 22/10/2024 10:03

Clocloxx · 22/10/2024 08:21

Why did you leave this part out?

He said the majority of the medical evidence was best described in the words of Assistant State Pathologist Dr Margot Bolster as: "I can neither rule in any link with the vaccine, nor can I rule it out".

He became ill the same day he took the vaccine. a young healthy boy of course its linked

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But it doesn't mean the vaccine killed him. There no evidence that it did.

PandoraSox · 22/10/2024 08:39

Clocloxx · 22/10/2024 08:21

Why did you leave this part out?

He said the majority of the medical evidence was best described in the words of Assistant State Pathologist Dr Margot Bolster as: "I can neither rule in any link with the vaccine, nor can I rule it out".

He became ill the same day he took the vaccine. a young healthy boy of course its linked

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Please don't try to suggest I was being selective. I wasn't. I would not do that.

That paragraph reflects exactly what I said in my first post to you about the sad death of this youg man. I repeat:

"I am sorry your friend died, but it was never proved whether or not the vaccine killed him if I recall correctly".

Clocloxx · 22/10/2024 08:21

PandoraSox · 20/10/2024 21:23

That isn't what the inquest concluded though, is it?

"Cork City Coroner Philip Comyn told the family of Roy Butler, from O'Reilly Road in Waterford, that the cause of death was a spontaneous intracerebral hemorrhage.

"In the verdict, Mr Comyn made recommendations surrounding the need to inform the general public of the need to report adverse reactions of vaccines, and who to report those reactions to"

"Setting out his reasons as to why he recorded a narrative verdict, he said on the balance of probabilities he could not conclude it was caused by the vaccine"

www.rte.ie/news/munster/2024/1010/1474653-roy-butler/

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Why did you leave this part out?

He said the majority of the medical evidence was best described in the words of Assistant State Pathologist Dr Margot Bolster as: "I can neither rule in any link with the vaccine, nor can I rule it out".

He became ill the same day he took the vaccine. a young healthy boy of course its linked

Notreat · 21/10/2024 22:26

Genevieva · 20/10/2024 20:51

They really aren’t. Asthma is often triggered by allergies, not by respiratory infections. Asthma management is far more important.

I am pro childhood vaccines to avoid deadly diseases, but flu jabs are a bit of a shot in the dark. They are usually based on whatever has been circulating in Australia during their winter, which may or may not be helpful here six months later.

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Asthma can be trigger by respiratory disease. My daughter's definitely is.

PondWarrior · 21/10/2024 19:42

Jaxhog · 21/10/2024 18:30

I despair. Don't people understand that they aren't just getting the vaccine to protect themselves, they are helping to protect society as a whole. It's called herd immunity. It's as if they only care about themselves and not about anyone else.

To be fair, that’s not the policy intention here - otherwise we’d all be offered it. I’d very happily take it if offered though!

Jaxhog · 21/10/2024 18:30

I despair. Don't people understand that they aren't just getting the vaccine to protect themselves, they are helping to protect society as a whole. It's called herd immunity. It's as if they only care about themselves and not about anyone else.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 21/10/2024 18:12

Smallsalt · 20/10/2024 10:28

In the cafe?

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😁

Jaehee · 21/10/2024 13:52

Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 13:37

Sorry, I am struggling to keep up with the comments. I have just read your reply, it’s really helpful, thank you. I’m going to ask if he can have the flu vaccine injection asap and will likely take the Covid one which is in mid November.

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I'm really glad it was helpful, sorry for my snippiness!

I think it can be much easier to focus on the what ifs of the vaccine rather than the what ifs of contracting the disease, perhaps because one is in our control and the other isn't. I do understand the anxiety around it and experience it myself even though I know it's illogical. For what it's worth I think you're making the right choice.

AllThePotatoesAreSingingJingleBells · 21/10/2024 13:42

Clocloxx · 20/10/2024 14:14

Not when myocarditis was the most reported post-COVID19 vaccination cardiac event, you're likely hood of developing it is 5.7 per 100 000 individuals after mRNA vaccine (from a Danish study) also what was scare mongering was covid the government pushed these vacancies on to people who did not need one, the risks of the vaccines are higer then covid itself, and not everyone recovers either from myocarditis look into the European sports leagues all the Casualties they have had since the vaccine roll out. Also I have seen first hand on what a covid vaccine has done to a family friend Roy butler. The risks are not rare and people should be fully informed especially before they put it in their children.

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5.7 per 100000 is 0.005%. So 0.005% developed Myocarditis following the vaccine.

Guess how many people (per 100000) develop Myocarditis following catching covid?

It’s a lot higher.

People who caught Covid before having a vaccine were 11x more likely to develop myocarditis within 28 days of having Covid. There’s evidence that having had at least one dose of the vaccine cuts this risk by half. I mean, this was a small study. Only 43 million people.

Don’t let that interfere with your scaremongering though.

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Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 13:37

Jaehee · 21/10/2024 09:56

Do you actually want advice OP? Because I typed out a long post for you after you asked for mine and you haven’t even acknowledged it. I wish I hadn’t bothered now.

Sorry, I am struggling to keep up with the comments. I have just read your reply, it’s really helpful, thank you. I’m going to ask if he can have the flu vaccine injection asap and will likely take the Covid one which is in mid November.

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Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 13:23

AutumnLeaves24 · 20/10/2024 14:26

@Clarabell77

unfortunately that doesn't mean next time he gets it, it will be the same (mild & quick recovery).

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Fair point

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bruffin · 21/10/2024 13:19

Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 13:12

Of course I know how they work, he wasn’t just a bit off-colour, he was having febrile convulsions, vomiting and in severe pain.

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My DS had over 20 febrile convulsions up to the age of 13 when he finally grew out of them. His first was within weeks of his MMR but the vaccine didnt cause the febrile convulsions, abnormal febrile convulsions have been in our family for many generations and since been named as GEFS+.
You say weeks but a vaccine would not have accounted for a reaction weeks later, even MMR is counted as 10 days later.

WhamBamThankU · 21/10/2024 13:15

I got a text offering it for my son and calling him vulnerable, but he has autism and is relatively healthy generally. I declined the vaccination for him.

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Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 13:12

Tippexy · 20/10/2024 10:17

He’s had the flu vaccine twice and taken unwell within weeks on both occasions so I’ve opted out of that one this year.

How to say you have no idea how vaccinations work, without saying you have no idea how vaccinations work.

Of course I know how they work, he wasn’t just a bit off-colour, he was having febrile convulsions, vomiting and in severe pain.

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Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 13:04

NinaPersson · 20/10/2024 12:35

I agree. I’m not anti vax, my children and I have had all of ours, except my children don’t have the covid or flu jab because I don’t think they are at a risk of either My friend is a very sensible paediatric nurse with a child. She won’t allow her child to have the nasal flu spray because of what she has seen while nursing

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Can you elaborate on what she’s seen while
nursing? Would she recommend the injection instead?

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Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 12:58

IggyAce · 20/10/2024 10:27

@Clarabell77 was it the nasal flu vaccine that he had previously? My ds has asthma mild and seasonal but he too as a toddler took ill approximately 10 days after the nasal vaccine and ended up in hospital on steroids. I opted out the following year and he was fine no major asthma attacks just a couple of chest infections. I did want him protected so spoke with my gp and they agreed that he could have the jab, so each year since age 5 he’s had the flu jab.

Sorry, I hadn’t seen this, yes, it was the nasal vaccine. I think I’m going to request the injection, thank you.

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Gimmeabreak2025 · 21/10/2024 12:48

Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 03:57

Of course they should get vaccinated as the risks for them are greater.

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It has been reported over and over again Covid vaccines do not stop you spreading Covid they simply make the symptoms less severe in those who have had the vaccine. Even pfeizer have said this.

Jaehee · 21/10/2024 09:56

Do you actually want advice OP? Because I typed out a long post for you after you asked for mine and you haven’t even acknowledged it. I wish I hadn’t bothered now.

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Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 05:32

sashh · 21/10/2024 05:20

And if they can't?

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I’m not going to base my decision on the possibility that someone, somewhere is vulnerable to Covid and can’t get vaccinated. We followed all the covid lockdown rules etc., we are still very careful to avoid spreading any illness when we have it, and I myself got vaccinated partly for the greater good, so I feel I’ve done my bit in that respect.

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sashh · 21/10/2024 05:20

Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 03:57

Of course they should get vaccinated as the risks for them are greater.

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And if they can't?

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Clarabell77 · 21/10/2024 03:57

sashh · 21/10/2024 02:11

What about other people?

The immunocompromised child he sits next to in class? The pregnant woman on the bus? The single parent on the supermarket checkout?

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Of course they should get vaccinated as the risks for them are greater.

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