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This marriage is financial abuse - AIBU?

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catstaff47 · 19/10/2024 19:43

This is about a friend. I think she is being financially abused by her DH. I will try to give the facts as she described it -

  1. He earns about £120k she earns about £12k (working p/t to be around for teens).

  2. He pays the mortgage and bills. There is a food shopping account into which he puts about £150 per week (for 4 people and several pets).

  3. Apart from this, she lives off the £1k per month she earns - even though she buys a lot of the kids stuff out of this as well because he will not.

  4. She has no idea how much money he has saved or where and he will not tell her!

  5. If she runs out of money in a given month, she will take / borrow from other people rather than just ask him - her own husband!

That's about it.

I could not imagine living like this and don't know how she has accepted it for so long. To me she has been somehow conditioned to think it's ok. I have told her this (gently), but I don't think she will do anything about it or leave him. Plus I think he must be beyond help to even do this in the first place.

AIBU and what would you say to her?

OP posts:
AdviceNeeded2024 · 20/10/2024 10:26

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:25

She would probably have to pay me if I asked, but then I'd be persona non gratis in the family because the narrative is she is financially abused and I need to help her. My husband has been told he needs to start saving for her too - to buy her a house!

Please tell me you’re joking. Do not do pay anything towards a house for her. She needs to learn to stand on her own two feet instead of expecting everyone to fund her!!

Purplethursdays123 · 20/10/2024 10:26

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:25

She would probably have to pay me if I asked, but then I'd be persona non gratis in the family because the narrative is she is financially abused and I need to help her. My husband has been told he needs to start saving for her too - to buy her a house!

Wow.

PicturePlace · 20/10/2024 10:25

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 09:40

He may be paying the mortgage and bills. So what? He does nothing else.

The bar does not need to be this ollow and I'm surprised how many people would put up with that kind of set-up.

What else should he be paying for?!

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:25

She would probably have to pay me if I asked, but then I'd be persona non gratis in the family because the narrative is she is financially abused and I need to help her. My husband has been told he needs to start saving for her too - to buy her a house!

OP posts:
Purplethursdays123 · 20/10/2024 10:22

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:21

Purplethursdays123

Fair enough. I agree. There is nothing I can do

You seem to be the one suffering and it’s not fair. I had a similar thing with parents and one sibling and they refused to stop handing over dosh so the sibling got all the money, no complaining and I got no money and and a world of pain for months / years on end. I had to stop talking to them for a while as they wouldn’t stop complaining or do anything about it.

Crumpleton · 20/10/2024 10:21

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:14

Yes I have offered to talk to her DH about this and get his perspective.l in Thd hope if moving forwards. I would do that because, as I say, this is affecting elderly people, Not just financially, they are really stressed about their daughter's future and I hear about all this in an almost daily basis, like a broken record, on and on and on. I would talk to him, but she doesn't want that (fair enough).

You've offered
But not gone ahead and actually spoken to him.

Your friend seems to be refusing any kind of help from her friends that's sent her way, except taking money, she's OK with taking their money.

What had she told you when you're asked if she could pay back what she owes you?

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:21

Purplethursdays123

Fair enough. I agree. There is nothing I can do

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sweeneytoddsrazor · 20/10/2024 10:20

Of course she doesn't want it because its crap. I bet she is jealous of you because you can maintain your lifestyle without the need to work. She has to work even though its only a small number of hours to be able to have a similar amount of leisure activities to you. Not because her DH is controlling or abusive but because he simply doesn't earn enough to cover everything and her family seem to think he should

Purplethursdays123 · 20/10/2024 10:20

With respect, OP, you have not taken on board anything anyone has said that does not fit your narrative.

It’s her marriage, leave her to it, she is not being abused but her husband is a bit of a twat. She likely has known this all along and no amount of talking to him is going to change it.

Your parents need to say no to her, stop complaining to you and she can do what she wishes with the life she has left.

I believe she sees your parents as the soft option, has no idea they are complaining or worried, and just wants her cake and eat it. Stop enabling her.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 20/10/2024 10:19

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:18

It might well come to her divorcing him.

I asked her the other day to imagine herself in 10 / 15 years time when the kids are gone and he is retired. Will he be living in his pension and not sharing that? Wouldn't surprise me - this is how petty he could be. She couldn't answer.

So she expects his pension that’s he’s worked his whole life for to fund her too instead of having her own decent pension by increasing her hours.

She sounds delightful.

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 20/10/2024 10:19

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:14

Yes I have offered to talk to her DH about this and get his perspective.l in Thd hope if moving forwards. I would do that because, as I say, this is affecting elderly people, Not just financially, they are really stressed about their daughter's future and I hear about all this in an almost daily basis, like a broken record, on and on and on. I would talk to him, but she doesn't want that (fair enough).

Of course she doesn’t want you to ask him. Because then you’ll find out the truth.

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:18

It might well come to her divorcing him.

I asked her the other day to imagine herself in 10 / 15 years time when the kids are gone and he is retired. Will he be living in his pension and not sharing that? Wouldn't surprise me - this is how petty he could be. She couldn't answer.

OP posts:
catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:14

Yes I have offered to talk to her DH about this and get his perspective.l in Thd hope if moving forwards. I would do that because, as I say, this is affecting elderly people, Not just financially, they are really stressed about their daughter's future and I hear about all this in an almost daily basis, like a broken record, on and on and on. I would talk to him, but she doesn't want that (fair enough).

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Mill3nnial · 20/10/2024 10:14

Also not everyone has to have joint accounts.

Firestace · 20/10/2024 10:13

If she’s so miserable with her current set up, why does she not divorce him? Is that not the obvious answer?

Indeed, surely if she thinks he's hoarding wealth and hiding it from her divorce would likely be a good deal for her financially?

Mill3nnial · 20/10/2024 10:13

He pays for the mortgage and bills and food (albeit a tight budget) and she's taking money from others to pay for things rather than get a full time job? I can understand why her DH doesn't give her more money as he pays for enough. If she takes money from family I can only imagine what she'd do if all the finances were joint!

OP I think your friend is closer to being the financial abusive one.

I wonder why she's telling you all this. Does she want money from you too?

Mrsttcno1 · 20/10/2024 10:12

You keep saying he can easily afford x and y, but you also said their house is £1 million and his salary is 120k.

Mortgage payments on a 120k house potentially £4-5k. Salary £6k a month roughly, after pension/any student loans, so there’s him already down to £1.5k with all the bills still to pay.

Purplethursdays123 · 20/10/2024 10:12

It’s been established that the OP shares parents with the person in question. I do also recall the OP saying they were well off with family money. So slight disconnect perhaps.

In truth I believe the OP has a similar situation and a generous husband and cannot imagine why anyone would be made to work in the first place, let alone have to scrimp on theatre tickets.

You’ve asked the question in a forum of normal people. Perhaps take it over to the online forum of ‘The Lady’ or some other sort of publication, next to posts about ‘lack of decent help these days.’

Crumpleton · 20/10/2024 10:09

TBH your friend sounds like she's the one that is taking the piss, to continue asking your friends/elderly parents to borrow money and probably at the time of borrowing know she's never going to pay it back, she's a card...

As its been said she could quite easily solve this by either getting a full time job or divorcing her DH, but no she chooses to scrounge and make out she's being financially abused, or is that just your take on it.

You seem so invested in your dear friends financial situation and so determined that she's being abused have you ever thought of approaching her DH yourself and telling him you're concerned about her as she's so worried that she can't even afford a coffee for herself or repay the kindness of others lending her, at times large amounts of money, due to her having to spend all of her wages on THEIR DC and other household things.

You may just make him realise how selfish he's being towards her.

Mill3nnial · 20/10/2024 10:09

I don't think he's financially abusive when their children are teenagers and in school. Why doesn't she work more? For all I know he thinks she should work. Being a SAHM when kids are young is one thing but she needs to work full time if she wants more money! He already pays the mortgage and bills. Sorry your friend seems to want everything.

roaringmouse · 20/10/2024 10:06

howshouldibehave · 20/10/2024 09:46

You are blaming him, and he’s the one paying for everything. You need to step outside.

This.

Some family members go on and on about him as a petulant, controlling bd basically. So I hear this all the time. Everyone has stories

It sounds like your family hate him! If he’s really tight or horrible, why did she marry him? If he has suddenly become horrible, she can leave-she’d still have to work full time then though!

This is such a shockingly ignorant post.

If only life were as simple as "why did she marry him?" and "she can leave!", we wouldn't have any kind of domestic abuse to worry about.

HaveYouSeenRain · 20/10/2024 10:06

catstaff47 · 20/10/2024 10:01

No, what happens when you have joint accounts is you trust each other and respect each other. Nobody is going to take advantage. It isn't like that. Your priorities as parents are the same - ie. what is best for the children.

Is it best for the children to keep asking for money and her constantly giving in or for them to learn to budget? I guess the children learned from her to keep asking for money until someone gives it to you. She is taking you all for a ride. Stop feeling sorry for your kept sister in her 1M mansion.

Hellskitchen24 · 20/10/2024 10:06

If she’s so miserable with her current set up, why does she not divorce him? Is that not the obvious answer?

I will tell you exactly why she WON’T divorce him unless he himself really pushed for it. Because she could not imagine herself living in a two bed flat or terrace like most of us mere mortals, paying a hefty mortgage, and working full time to support herself. Paying all the bills on top, while still supporting her teenage children. This is reality for most of the world and she’s been shielded from this her entire marriage.

Instead she wants MORE money to fund her wonderful lifestyle, and now she’s got her claws in assuming her husband is squandering money away from her when in reality with his outgoings, I bet he’s got nothing.

Shes an able bodied woman who has plenty of options but she’s used to the princess life. She won’t ever change, and she will hassle your elderly parents for as long as they keep enabling her. A massive reality check is required.

MightSoundCrassButItsFactual · 20/10/2024 10:05

Purplethursdays123 · 20/10/2024 09:43

I personally wouldn’t, but then I would never have married anyone who was tight. It’s my least fave thing.

You are blaming him, and he’s the one paying for everything. You need to step outside.

yes because really is getting ugly - you involve your sister, your parents, her husband, her kids on here while you should be making sure YOUR OWN BUDGET AND HUBBY relationship is right

there is no law that says how a family finance should be exactly organised.
A loving relationships balances things out and when you have all hands on deck, everyone does what they are capable of - read about marriages of ND women who hardly cope socially but are greatly loved by their husbands and the husband protect that wife

lolly792 · 20/10/2024 10:05

@5128gap very good point!