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To wish Miranda Hart had written a different book?

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WWLD · 19/10/2024 18:38

OK, I know I am, but for the 4th time in as many days, I've had someone suggest I read her book because "she cured herself from ME, you can too" (or something along those lines). I'm sure she had the best of intentions in writing it, I know she's said she's not claiming to be cured, or that it will work for everyone. However, if 4 intelligent people have taken the same thing from it, I'm worried.

I've had ME for nearly 35 years, I have tried many different things to try and help over those years. I've lived through the 'yuppie flu' and the whole NHS believing 'it's all in your head's, so I'm pissed off that someone with a platform is basically continuing this narrative. Especially coming out at the same time as the coroner's inquest report on the death of Maeve Boothby O'Neill.

As I said, I know I ABU, but I honestly thought we were getting somewhere.

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Whatamiseeing2 · 19/10/2024 20:29

YANBU but like others I think the problem lies with your aquaintances rather than Miranda Hart (as you've said yourself anyway) but just wanted to add that I think she even warns against giving unsolicited advice to people with chronic conditions in the book.

SoMauveMonty · 19/10/2024 20:29

BarbaraHoward · 19/10/2024 18:52

YANBU to feel that way.

The people recommending it to you after so long are, frankly, idiots. As if there'll be anything out there that you don't know after 30+ year. Probably the people who recommend ginger biscuits to pregnant women with hyperemesis.

Oh God yes, this.
I was increasingly unwell a few years back, to the point I was barely functioning, and it turned out to be stupidly low B12. My body can't absorb it so I need high strength supplementation. It boggles my mind how many <narrows eyes especially at my mother> insist all i need to do is eat meat and i will be cured. I've explained it, words of one syllable style, numerous times but it's like talking to a wall. I could eat half a cow every day and my levels would still drop through the floor. Do they believe me though? Nope.

It's incredibly tiresome OP and I feel your pain. But I think she's such a popular figure and many people will be interested in what's been going on for her the past couple of years, so i think it's fair enough she wrote about it. I think you just need to find a short, tart response for the idiots.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 19/10/2024 20:28

WWLD · 19/10/2024 19:42

Everything I HAVE read (which, I'll admit is not a lot), says she had Lyme which turned into chronic fatigue syndrome (another name for ME).

Am I/are my acquaintances/the articles wrong? Does the book/do the interviews not say that?

She said on the Graham Norton show that her diagnosis was "ME caused by Lyme disease"

I was 99% sure that's what she'd said so just checked on iPlayer to make sure.

Sia8899 · 19/10/2024 20:24

I’ve just read an article about the Maeve Boothby O'Neill inquest after reading this post and I’m sad to say I also thought ME/CFS was caused by anxiety and depression. I’ve read a book by a (not famous) psychologist that mentions it and I have a friend who’s a hypnotherapist who has talked about how hypnotherapy can help. I’ve never thought it was “all in someone’s head” but that it was a physical illness caused by a mental one. The Maeve Boothby O'Neill story is heartbreaking and I had no idea it was an illness that could be terminal.
I have a long term misunderstood condition and I’ve been accused of making it up by family, experienced being discharged by doctors who just haven’t known what to do with me, and had suggestions from people who know nothing about the condition, so I know a little of what that feels like. But I guess the misinformation and outdated views about ME made me think that emotional therapies could help treat/“cure” it

badhappenings · 19/10/2024 20:17

"Unfortunately, it takes me months to read a book. That's why I'm asking questions of people who HAVE read it."

@WWLD it's really worth getting it on Audible.

badhappenings · 19/10/2024 20:15

YABU
It's a raw, honest and very interesting account of how she has been seriously affected by Lymes disease (and still is) since she was 14 years old.

I honestly don't see why she's getting so much flack for it.

WWLD · 19/10/2024 20:15

verycloakanddaggers · 19/10/2024 20:06

Am I/are my acquaintances/the articles wrong? Does the book/do the interviews not say that?
I think you should read the book because then you will know what she actually did say.

I think there will always be a group of people who want to deny what ME/CFS is, what it is really like.

Unfortunately, it takes me months to read a book. That's why I'm asking questions of people who HAVE read it.

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OrsolaRosso · 19/10/2024 20:14

I do not have ME or any related condition.
I have read the book and took it in the wider context of finding balance in life.
I really enjoyed it, it was very well researched, delivered with much love and compassion to the reader.
She speaks a lot about stress being a big contributory factor to illness, and how to alleviate it. But it is also more widely relevant to anyone who is carrying unresolved issues from the past.
I would certainly recommend it to anyone, the OP included, whether or not they have a chronic illness.

Workingmammabear · 19/10/2024 20:12

Nope she doesn't say she has ME / CFS caused by lymes disease but she does reference CFS, anxiety and a number of other chronic illnesses. And speaks in depth about all of the viruses and various ailments that she did suffer. Her book is very clearly a memoir of her own experiences and not a manual or guide. She lightly references research and says how it helped her. What I take from the book is a positive attitude and a reminder to accept and be mindful of your bodies needs, rather than how to fight / overcome a diagnosis or disease that you can't control.

verycloakanddaggers · 19/10/2024 20:06

Am I/are my acquaintances/the articles wrong? Does the book/do the interviews not say that?
I think you should read the book because then you will know what she actually did say.

I think there will always be a group of people who want to deny what ME/CFS is, what it is really like.

MrsForgetalot · 19/10/2024 20:05

Huge sympathy op.

My dsis has long covid and the effect on her life is shocking. The one upside being that it has affected so many in the medical community that it cannot be dismissed and there’s a serious amount of research ongoing (which hopefully will impact other auto immune and chronic fatigue conditions).

And while there are many practices that help her live well with it, those things take energy and effort that often just aren’t available. And she’s bloody entitled to rage and grieve instead even if it’s not “helpful”. I think your “friends” are insensitive.

I cannot even imagine how devastating it must have been to live through that “me me me disease” phase of disbelief though I supported my bf through anorexia as a teen in the early 90s back when the medical profession believed that was just wilful refusal to eat sensibly and treated her with contempt. Even though she’s a healthy weight today, the distrust and fear of doctors has stayed with her.

I haven’t read Miranda’s book. So I really can’t comment on it one way or the other. Sounds like your friends haven’t actually read it either. 🙄

godmum56 · 19/10/2024 20:05

I would suggest that the fault lies with the "4 intelligent people" and not with the book. Full disclosure, I have not read the book either but when my husband was dying of cancer I had similar "intelligent people" saying similar stupid things.

JudyJulie · 19/10/2024 20:04

magneticpeasant · 19/10/2024 19:24

I thought she had Lyme disease not ME?

In the interview I saw, she definitely said Lyme Disease.

Mainoo72 · 19/10/2024 19:55

YABU. She isn’t claiming a cure so that’s completely unfair. Maybe read the book before you start trashing it.

Barney16 · 19/10/2024 19:53

She was interviewed on, Women's hour I think, and she has Lymes disease, since she was young, which eventually resulted in chronic fatigue. I don't think she mentioned ME.

WWLD · 19/10/2024 19:46

itsgettingweird · 19/10/2024 19:32

Considering she has limes disease and hasn't written anything about ME or even that Lymes or ME is curable - YAB very U and should be mad yourself for posting a load of untrue crap claiming someone's else's book is untrue crap.

If you read my OP, I said "I know she said she's not claiming to be cured". It was my 4 acquaintances who said that.

She wrote the book in good faith - I also said something along those lines in my OP, this isn't a massive bash on her. I'm sorry it came across that way.

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WWLD · 19/10/2024 19:42

Everything I HAVE read (which, I'll admit is not a lot), says she had Lyme which turned into chronic fatigue syndrome (another name for ME).

Am I/are my acquaintances/the articles wrong? Does the book/do the interviews not say that?

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Strictlychatting · 19/10/2024 19:40

It seems to me that the OP is determined to drag Miranda into this despite the fact that so many people are pointing out the disconnect between what she is being told is written in the book, and the actual reality. Very sad but some people will never admit they are blaming the wrong person.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 19/10/2024 19:35

What has Miranda’s book about her experience of living with Lyme Disease got to do with your experience of ME though? I mean, it’s not her fault that you don’t have very intelligent acquaintances who don’t know the difference between the two 🤷🏻‍♀️

magneticpeasant · 19/10/2024 19:35

WWLD · 19/10/2024 19:33

I think it's really hard for people who have no experience of the fight we have to go through to be heard, to understand how damaging these sort of things can be to the perception of the condition.

And yes, for people asking - these 4 people have read the book, and all have said she had ME caused by Lyme.

That just sounds like they don't understand what ME is. I don't think that's Hart's fault. She wasn't writing an educational volume.

magneticpeasant · 19/10/2024 19:34

But her book isn't about ME. Because she didn't have ME, she had Lyme disease. The reporting has been really clear she had Lyme disease.

The 4 people who made well intended albeit shitty comments to you can't be that intelligent if they managed to miss that. Don't give them so much headspace.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0jwjssm

BBC Radio 4 - Best of Today, Miranda Hart: I was left bed-bound by Lyme disease

The comedian talks to Today about living with a chronic illness and her marriage

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0jwjssm

WWLD · 19/10/2024 19:33

Floralnomad · 19/10/2024 18:52

I think even she knows that it’s being misinterpreted as she said so on X . My daughter has quite severe CFS and it’s hard enough to have your disease taken seriously without people thinking that it’s purely down to stress .

I think it's really hard for people who have no experience of the fight we have to go through to be heard, to understand how damaging these sort of things can be to the perception of the condition.

And yes, for people asking - these 4 people have read the book, and all have said she had ME caused by Lyme.

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itsgettingweird · 19/10/2024 19:32

Considering she has limes disease and hasn't written anything about ME or even that Lymes or ME is curable - YAB very U and should be mad yourself for posting a load of untrue crap claiming someone's else's book is untrue crap.

WWLD · 19/10/2024 19:29

Thanks for your views, I guess the difficulty is we've had years of people (including the NHS) telling us ME is a psychological condition, and prescribing CBT and Graded Exercise Therapy (GET) as a cure. They have caused untold damage to some people, including me.

Now both, and the Lightning Process (one of the 'designers' of which runs the clinic Miranda has been involved with - she endorsed one of his books) have officially been completely debunked, having someone with a voice, with 'influence' harping back to those sort of theories is really upsetting. We have had to work so bloody hard to change minds, using the little energy we have, it feels like a massive step backwards.

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Workingmammabear · 19/10/2024 19:27

And yes it was Lyme disease not ME