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To wonder why more men don’t get the snip?

421 replies

Rainallnight · 19/10/2024 12:01

When their family is complete.

Sparked by two (separate) people I know who recently got pregnant with or gave birth to their fourth child. Both shared freely that it was an accident - contraception failure. Life with 3 DC is full on and a bit of a struggle already in both cases. Neither felt abortion was an option for them.

When you’re 3 DC in and your family is complete, why on Earth are the men not going for the snip to bring an end to it all? And stop birth control being all on the woman?

OP posts:
Comedycook · 20/10/2024 10:12

I think a lot of men are still holding onto hope that they'll end up with a younger, better looking woman at some point who will be desperate to have his babies ..

OrangeTeabags · 20/10/2024 10:09

LoquaciousPineapple · 20/10/2024 10:00

I don't think I know any women who want their husbands to have a vasectomy and they refuse. So in all the cases I know of, it's a joint family decision not to have one or just neither of them care enough to do it.

Most women I know stay on hormonal contraception anyway without any issues, for a variety of reasons so the snip isn't an urgent priority. I'm on the implant and would remain on it for period reasons even if my husband were snipped.

And it's hard to make that final call that your family is 100% complete and you'll never want another child under any circumstances. We're 99% sure we won't but if our feelings or circumstances changed while we were still an age where we'd want another, maybe we'd have one. Why risk regret if our minds or circumstances changed?

The key words in your post are "joint decision".

It seems many women find the man in their life makes a unilateral decision to not discuss or consider the op rather than considering their partner's view or, in some cases, their partner's health & wellbeing.

LoquaciousPineapple · 20/10/2024 10:00

I don't think I know any women who want their husbands to have a vasectomy and they refuse. So in all the cases I know of, it's a joint family decision not to have one or just neither of them care enough to do it.

Most women I know stay on hormonal contraception anyway without any issues, for a variety of reasons so the snip isn't an urgent priority. I'm on the implant and would remain on it for period reasons even if my husband were snipped.

And it's hard to make that final call that your family is 100% complete and you'll never want another child under any circumstances. We're 99% sure we won't but if our feelings or circumstances changed while we were still an age where we'd want another, maybe we'd have one. Why risk regret if our minds or circumstances changed?

Humphreyshead · 20/10/2024 08:45

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 19/10/2024 12:06

Because they are being given the option not to.

I made it very clear to my DH after our 2nd that i wasn't going back on birth control, so its either condoms for the rest of our lives or he gets the snip 🤷🏼‍♀️

Same here. We did condoms for about 6 months. Then he got the snip. Best decision ever for both of us.

Mnetcurious · 20/10/2024 08:43

Gogogo12345 · 20/10/2024 08:29

But if the woman doesn't want more kids then by being sterilsed she doesn't have to worry about contraception any more. The DH/Partner having the snip only protects her as long as they are together. If she ends up with someone else then she's still at risk of pregnancy

She’s not ‘at risk of pregnancy’ with someone new if she tells them they’re not coming near her without a vasectomy or a condom.

AlertCat · 20/10/2024 08:42

Gogogo12345 · 20/10/2024 08:29

But if the woman doesn't want more kids then by being sterilsed she doesn't have to worry about contraception any more. The DH/Partner having the snip only protects her as long as they are together. If she ends up with someone else then she's still at risk of pregnancy

I imagine that most married women (or women in relationships with children) imagine they’re going to stay together when these conversations arise.

Female sterilisation is a much more complex surgery, never a minor procedure, so it’s inherently more risky. Depending on the version you have, it can result in immediate menopause, with all the implications that has to health and well-being.

If sterilisation is the contraceptive of choice it makes much more sense to sterilise the man.

Mnetcurious · 20/10/2024 08:40

Yanbu. A woman is only fertile for a few days out of every month, a man is fertile every day (assuming normal sperm count etc).

The onus should totally be on the man to prevent pregnancy rather than a woman having to deal with contraception that messes with her hormones and so often has undesirable side effects.

My husband doesn’t want the snip so we use condoms (very carefully as there’s no way we want an accidental pregnancy).

Wellingtonspie · 20/10/2024 08:31

I mean I don’t think current wives, partners, fiancées should really have to be worrying about his possible future fertility should they split.

And if they do with regards to her. I hear there’s a few snipped men on the market every so often.

Gogogo12345 · 20/10/2024 08:29

DreadPirateRobots · 19/10/2024 13:54

Female sterilisation is all of significantly more invasive and risky, less reliable, and much harder to get done on the NHS.

But if the woman doesn't want more kids then by being sterilsed she doesn't have to worry about contraception any more. The DH/Partner having the snip only protects her as long as they are together. If she ends up with someone else then she's still at risk of pregnancy

OrangeTeabags · 20/10/2024 07:41

Viviennemary · 20/10/2024 07:33

Why should they. A lot of men feel it takes their manhood away. In any case their body their choice.

It depends on the situation and the relationship they are in.

If the man is in a stable, long term relationship with a female partner who has been through pregnancy/pregnancies and now wants them to help prevent further pregnancies then I think they should be prepared to discuss and consider it.

Viviennemary · 20/10/2024 07:33

Why should they. A lot of men feel it takes their manhood away. In any case their body their choice.

HelpMeUnpickThis · 20/10/2024 07:32

Mickey79 · 19/10/2024 13:22

No one knows what life will throw at you. It’s possible to change your mind further down the line. Plus if a marriage/ relationship breaks down , you may want another child with someone else at some point. I’d never have been sterilised for those reasons. Some men will think the same.

This answer is the main reason I think. I think a lot of men think like this. Unfortunately.

Fluufer · 20/10/2024 06:54

000EverybodyLovesTheSunshine000 · 20/10/2024 04:13

It's one in 100

Yeap. And when you actually read the studies and see how this long term pain is actually defined, it's even less concerning. Most of it isn't permanent, and most is the kind of pain women deal with monthly anyway.

OrangeTeabags · 20/10/2024 06:52

PrincessFairyWren · 20/10/2024 05:51

Well our sex life dramatically improved after DH got his. Once off birth control my depression lifted and my sex drive significantly improved and also my ability to orgasm. Also I was terrified of falling pregnant again as some pretty unfortunate health things had happened to me. DH says it has made no difference to his sensation.

That said my DH was an a*hole about the whole thing and waited years to even go to the GP to get advice on it and I think it is because he is fairly selfish all round and didn't care about me or my health. We are working on rebuilding our relationship but his behaviour did have an huge impact on how I saw him. I know everyone is going to jump on the bandwagon and call me a cow and "his body, his choice" but he wouldn't even book in to get advice or investigate the risks of the procedure.

Your experience sums up what a little of people on here are saying and I'm not surprised you felt resentful.
Your husband dragged his feet to do something simple which actually improved both of your lives once done and was happy to put you through the anxiety of getting pregnant and suffering the unpleasant consequences while he decided.
So many examples on here of men being selfish but expecting their partner to be the exact opposite.
As in many areas of life unfortunately.

PrincessFairyWren · 20/10/2024 05:51

Amazingday · 19/10/2024 14:39

We don’t want kids. I have asked DP to get one as both mid forties. He won’t as he read somewhere and his mates told him it affects his sensitivity whilst having sex and may feel numb and causes issues. No amount of education can change his mind. He doesn’t want sex to change.

can’t force him as his body so I am staying on the pill. It’s very annoying to be the sensible one but we both hate condoms and don’t want kids.

Well our sex life dramatically improved after DH got his. Once off birth control my depression lifted and my sex drive significantly improved and also my ability to orgasm. Also I was terrified of falling pregnant again as some pretty unfortunate health things had happened to me. DH says it has made no difference to his sensation.

That said my DH was an a*hole about the whole thing and waited years to even go to the GP to get advice on it and I think it is because he is fairly selfish all round and didn't care about me or my health. We are working on rebuilding our relationship but his behaviour did have an huge impact on how I saw him. I know everyone is going to jump on the bandwagon and call me a cow and "his body, his choice" but he wouldn't even book in to get advice or investigate the risks of the procedure.

autienotnaughty · 20/10/2024 05:20

I decided after over twenty years of using the pill/injection/coil and varying side effects I was done. We weren't planning on having more children so options were dh gets the snip or we use condoms.

We have been using condoms for 7 years.

000EverybodyLovesTheSunshine000 · 20/10/2024 04:14

Freshersfluforyou · 19/10/2024 12:43

People posting acting like its a total no brainer.... Its not a risk free procedure?

Yeah the risks are low but they are risks none the less and quite a lot of men naturally are a bit wary of ending up with issues with continence etc.

I think its up to each couple to decide what best for them in terms of contraception, vasectomy /having tubes tied are both very permanent decisions and people don't have to do it if they don't want.

No risks with pregnancy of course!
Ffs.

000EverybodyLovesTheSunshine000 · 20/10/2024 04:13

Osirus · 19/10/2024 12:40

Perhaps because one in ten suffer long term chronic pain and other issues?

It's one in 100

000EverybodyLovesTheSunshine000 · 20/10/2024 04:10

I agree OP.
Best thing ever. DH is delighted he did it. It's so nice to stop worrying about contraception forever.
There's enough to fret about in life.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/10/2024 00:07

Didimum · 19/10/2024 12:04

Our family is complete but DH does not want to get the snip (yet). I don’t think it’s appropriate to have an opinion on what anyone should do to their body.

And stop birth control being all on the woman?

It’s not. We use condoms, so it’s on him.

Edited

I Got pregnant through a condom

SnowFrogJelly · 19/10/2024 23:38

It’s not. We use condoms, so it’s on him.

They aren't reliable

Sometimeswinning · 19/10/2024 23:20

SoupDragon · 19/10/2024 23:02

That's not the same. Accusing someone of being a man is equivalent to troll hunting. It's lazy.

Accusing? 😂 Surely you meant assuming.

OrangeTeabags · 19/10/2024 23:04

SoupDragon · 19/10/2024 23:02

That's not the same. Accusing someone of being a man is equivalent to troll hunting. It's lazy.

Is it? Ok, whatever 🙄

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 19/10/2024 23:04

I suppose if women keep taking the pill without question then many men will think "Well I don't need a vasectomy." The onus is (wrongly) put upon the woman.
My husband had the snip after we'd had our daughter (his first and last child). We both decided no more children and he respected the fact that the pill is not without its symptoms and risks.
I fell pregnant on the pill twice in my late 30s/early 40s (with perfect usage). My consultant referred to us as having "hyperfertility". It would also explain why I became pregnant about two months after husband's snip (and still on the pill!)
Both pregnancies resulted in miscarriage which my last pregnancy being an ectopic. I was quite far gone and had no idea until I started bleeding internally and rushed into emergency surgery.
For us a vasectomy was the only solution.

SoupDragon · 19/10/2024 23:02

OrangeTeabags · 19/10/2024 22:12

And it's tedious when people like the poster I was talking about come up with ridiculous arguments that appear to protect men to the detriment of women.

That's not the same. Accusing someone of being a man is equivalent to troll hunting. It's lazy.