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Single mums should be offered a free flu jab?

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Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 07:18

This is off the back of a very hard week. I picked up a nasty dose of flu, probably from a baby group. I have a super high pain threshold but when I have a cold I'm utterly useless. I need two or three days to hibernate and recover.

Last week I discovered that you can't do this as a single mum. DD (7.5 months) needed me. So I had to plough on, and it was hard. It's been over a week and I still haven't shaken it off completely, but now DD has it (it's breaking my heart to see her unwell). She has been dosed up with Calpol but is very unsettled. Between the two of us, it is probably going to write off nearly 3 weeks.

AIBU to think that single parents should be offered free flu jabs?

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DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 19/10/2024 08:41

Didimum · 19/10/2024 08:17

Huge waste of money IMO. People don’t receive free flu vaccination because they’ve got dependents or have it harder in life, they receive one because they are medically vulnerable to complications.

To be fair, carers are offered the vaccine. Someone who is the main carer for someone who may be put at risk if the carer becomes ill and is unable to care for them will get the vaccine.

Im not saying I agree with the OP, but it's hard to argue the sole carer of a 6 month old, for example, doesn't meet that definition.

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 19/10/2024 08:39

Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 07:32

@Haroldwilson I completely agree with you in your first paragraph. Although that same logic applies to other groups that are offered free vaccines, such as over 65s and pregnant women with millions in the bank.

Maybe a better idea would be to offer free flu jabs to new parents as an opt in scheme. Open to couples or single parents. I doubt everyone who choose to have it. At the moment I can't afford £20 just like that, but having gone through these last couple of weeks I will definitely be making sure I get one next winter!

Plentry of people would benefit from a free flu jab. As previous posters have noted, non-means yested benefits mean that there will always be those who don't need a free 'thing', but trying to means-test it would be twice as costly as 'letting' those who can afford it have it free
Then you would have to define a 'single' parent, because that isn't clear

GoldieRetrieverLocks · 19/10/2024 08:36

DragonGypsyDoris · 19/10/2024 07:49

Definitely not. Impractical, divisive and a little ridiculous.

Yep, just about sums it up.

WeAllHaveWings · 19/10/2024 08:36

Getting a flu jab only helps protect you from one particular strain of flu each year, it doesn't stop you from getting bad colds, other strains of flu or other viruses.

The jab is given to those at highest risk of hospitalisation to take the strain off the nhs during winter months not for convenience.

MinnieCauldwell · 19/10/2024 08:34

Your baby is just 7.5 months old, was the father not around already to assist? Or family member that you can call upon in an emergency.

BarbaraHoward · 19/10/2024 08:34

You can't know you had flu unless you've been swabbed. Lots of viruses can make us feel miserable, and yes it's extra though with little ones because there's no sick days unfortunately.

Older people, pregnant women and vulnerable people get the flu jab on the NHS because they're at much higher risk of serious complications and even death. The flu can be a literal killer. Likewise little kids are vulnerable and kids in general are super spreaders so vaccinating them protects everyone. Carers get it because society depends on their unpaid and underpaid labour.

It's flu vaccine season now, I have mine at the GP next week, so if you can spare the £ you're in perfect time to get it for this year.

Goldbar · 19/10/2024 08:33

Coconutter24 · 19/10/2024 08:07

But why people on low incomes? It’s always the people with decent incomes that are made to feel punished or made to pay. If it was to go free with proof of benefits or low income look at the percentage of those that don’t work…. They are the ones (provided they’re not vulnerable) who can afford to stay home and be poorly

As a preventative measure?

Someone referred to the wheels "falling off". People on low incomes often don't have savings to cover unpaid leave, may have limited financial support, work inflexible jobs with poor sick pay and employee benefits, can't afford medicines, extra heating or nutritious food, rely on cold, draughty public transport to take their kids to school and get to the doctor.

Illness hits poor people harder. They're more likely to get sick to begin with and less likely to be able to afford the associated costs.

Chowtime · 19/10/2024 08:32

Cant you just pay for it? it's not expensive and you'll be making a valid contribution towards the cost of the vaccination that way.

Penguinmouse · 19/10/2024 08:30

Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 07:46

@ByMerryKoala that's fair enough, I hadn't thought of it that way. It's just a really rubbish situation to be in. Definitely the hardest week I've had as a parent. I have lupus and so always get flare ups following a cold so it really drags on. I should probably stop wallowing. Flu just generally sucks.

If you have lupus, are you not offered a free flu jab? Sympathy though, being ill with an unwell little one is really tough. I’d definitely get one next time even if it’s at a pharmacy, they usually cost about a tenner.

Ella31 · 19/10/2024 08:29

Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 07:52

I think it's fantastic that the NHS does offer free vaccines! I understand why people say they don't think it's justified, I absolutely will put money aside to pay for one next time - it's not something I had even considered.

I find it interesting that pregnant women get offered a flu jab, 2 and 3 year olds get a free jab, so do primary school children, however there is no provision for under 2s and new parents. Especially because under 2s may be vulnerable but not yet diagnosed (as too young). Please feel free to correct my flawed thinking!!

The flu is very dangerous for the unborn baby. NHS website states its known to potentially cause defects and stillbirth. I'd imagine it's free to encourage women to get it and obviously less crowding in hospitals with serious complications

Copied this from NHS

If you have flu while you're pregnant, it could cause your baby to be born prematurely or have a low birthweight, and may even lead to stillbirth or death.

nhs.uk

Stillbirth

Read about stillbirth, which is where a baby is born dead after 24 completed weeks of pregnancy. Find out the causes of stillbirth and how to reduce the risk.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/stillbirth/

Goldbar · 19/10/2024 08:28

Lemonadeand · 19/10/2024 08:13

What about military Mums, Mums whose husbands work away on oil rigs etc.

Not comparable imo. There's a second salary/second responsible parent, even if they're not around day-to-day. The family have chosen to organise their lives with the second parent doing this.

Goldbar · 19/10/2024 08:26

My personal view is that single mums should be offered not only a free flu jab, but much better financial support, heavily subsidized breakfast and afterschool club, free occasional weekend babysitting and a yearly spa trip. Together with a medal that says "Well done, you're the one who stuck around".

I suspect if you delved into many relationships though, you'd find a lot of shit fathers and mothers doing more than their fair share, but that doesn't mean single mums shouldn't get more help than they currently do.

Beezknees · 19/10/2024 08:26

I'm a single mum and no I don't think we should be given free flu jabs.

GretchenWienersHair · 19/10/2024 08:22

Coconutter24 · 19/10/2024 08:07

But why people on low incomes? It’s always the people with decent incomes that are made to feel punished or made to pay. If it was to go free with proof of benefits or low income look at the percentage of those that don’t work…. They are the ones (provided they’re not vulnerable) who can afford to stay home and be poorly

Because people on “decent incomes” can pay if we need to.

(Edit to add to your last point) I don’t know the figures, but what percentage of people on benefits are because they can’t work (due to illness etc) vs because they won’t work? I can’t imagine the number of people choosing to be on benefits is actually as high as most people would think…

Didimum · 19/10/2024 08:17

Huge waste of money IMO. People don’t receive free flu vaccination because they’ve got dependents or have it harder in life, they receive one because they are medically vulnerable to complications.

Lemonadeand · 19/10/2024 08:13

What about military Mums, Mums whose husbands work away on oil rigs etc.

RosesAndHellebores · 19/10/2024 08:13

If a woman has the flu jab in pregnancy, does the baby not carry some antibodies for about a year?

I had influenza when ds was 2. I caught it from him. DH was in court and could not stay at home so had to hire an emergency nanny. I could not get out of bed for four days, was ill for about 8, and at one stage DH called the GP (when they did home visits) because my temp was 106 and I was delirious. The GP was not too bothered. I could not have looked after ds.

DS is nearly 30. I have had a flu jab every year since. Next year it will be free as I'll be 65.

Stretchedresources · 19/10/2024 08:09

"Buddy up with other single mums". That's not how it works in real life, we'd be spreading our viruses everywhere. And ploughing on through even a nasty cold is a nice route to prolonging it and a chest infection.
I will say that as a working lone parent the pandemic was easy as I was always looking after myself, washing hands, never touching door handles and used to being alone.

mauvish · 19/10/2024 08:09

Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 08:00

I have got flu. That's why it's been so hard. Proper flu.

Serious question - how do you know?

AirborneElephant · 19/10/2024 08:09

Pregnant women are offered it because a high temperature from any infection can occasionally cause premature labor, and preemies are very expensive. Same reason why pregnant women get free dental care. As the OP says it’s not licensed for under 2s, so that’s why the gap.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 19/10/2024 08:08

I know it's annoying when people say this, but you probably didn't have the flu. It sounds like a heavy cold. When I had flu I couldn't get out of bed for 2 weeks.

Flu can be milder. Just because you can lift your head off the pillow doesn't mean it isn't flu.

But I agree that generally people don't know what they have unless they are specifically tested.

Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 08:08

Swissrollover · 19/10/2024 08:06

Good point, although it might rely on being on immune suppressants. I know when I came off them, I stopped being eligible despite still having an autoimmune condition. I usually buy one for myself as my children get them free at secondary school.

Exactly this!! I came off immunosuppressants during pregnancy and am now intelligible 🙂

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Nothatgingerpirate · 19/10/2024 08:08

Why?

thethingsiusedtodo · 19/10/2024 08:08

Our GP gave my brother a flu jab for free when his partner died and he was bring up their child, classed him as a carer, which he was, i think he got it for several years too.
He'd been very ill with flu and it had been extremely difficult for him with childcare, as it would be for any parent, full blown flu can be very serious and effect not just the elderly.

But we did joke that had he died, the GP wouldn't have given his wife a free flu jab.

SiobhanSharpe · 19/10/2024 08:08

Much sympathy, OP, I get it. It might not be possible (and it's not something I would
like to do myself ) but is there any chance of getting the £10 Superdrug one and sticking the cost on a credit card, just this once?

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