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Single mums should be offered a free flu jab?

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Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 07:18

This is off the back of a very hard week. I picked up a nasty dose of flu, probably from a baby group. I have a super high pain threshold but when I have a cold I'm utterly useless. I need two or three days to hibernate and recover.

Last week I discovered that you can't do this as a single mum. DD (7.5 months) needed me. So I had to plough on, and it was hard. It's been over a week and I still haven't shaken it off completely, but now DD has it (it's breaking my heart to see her unwell). She has been dosed up with Calpol but is very unsettled. Between the two of us, it is probably going to write off nearly 3 weeks.

AIBU to think that single parents should be offered free flu jabs?

OP posts:
Goldbar · 19/10/2024 09:50

YellowphantGrey · 19/10/2024 09:30

But the flu jab is a private service if you're not eligible for the NHS free one.

Why does a single Mom getting it for free take precedence over a single Dad? Or a woman in an abusive relationship?

Because ultimately it's cheaper than picking up the pieces if a sole carer for young children can't cope? Also why wouldn't single dads get it - the criteria would be lone parent?

Simply because you can't help everyone is no reason to help no one.

YellowphantGrey · 19/10/2024 09:30

Goldbar · 19/10/2024 09:07

No need to go to the lowest common denominator - "we can't help everyone so let's help no one".

In two-parent families, it may be that there is only one effective parent caring for the kids. In single-parent families, it definitely is.

But the flu jab is a private service if you're not eligible for the NHS free one.

Why does a single Mom getting it for free take precedence over a single Dad? Or a woman in an abusive relationship?

FavouriteYellowChair · 19/10/2024 09:23

As others have said, flu doesn’t mean “a very nasty cold”. It’s a specific virus. You can’t know you’ve had it unless you’ve been tested. It’s very early in the season for flu, much more likely to have been covid or a bad cold based on timing alone.

I paid for a flu jab a month ago. I’m now in my third week of being horribly ill with first covid (tested so I know that’s what it was) and then either lingering symptoms from that, or another cold. Having the flu jab does nothing to protect you from covid, colds or any of the many other illnesses that can make you really unwell. It doesn’t even stop you getting flu, just makes it milder (and doesn’t even do that if it’s a different strain of the virus from the one you’ve been vaccinated against).

I think people sometimes think that the flu jab is a magic preventative to stop them getting any seasonal illness. It isn’t, and that’s why it’s only on offer on the NHS to those who might become very seriously ill if they got that one specific thing, the actual flu.

GretchenWienersHair · 19/10/2024 09:21

Coconutter24 · 19/10/2024 09:17

But if their wage is being made up to a minimum living of standard why should they be entitled to a free flu jab over people who are at a minimum living standard with no help of UC? They are now at the same pay level so why would one get it free and not the other?

That’s why I said “low income” and not “in receipt of benefits”. It should be for people earning under a set household income, regardless of whether it’s through UC or work.

Chillisintheair · 19/10/2024 09:18

Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 07:32

@Haroldwilson I completely agree with you in your first paragraph. Although that same logic applies to other groups that are offered free vaccines, such as over 65s and pregnant women with millions in the bank.

Maybe a better idea would be to offer free flu jabs to new parents as an opt in scheme. Open to couples or single parents. I doubt everyone who choose to have it. At the moment I can't afford £20 just like that, but having gone through these last couple of weeks I will definitely be making sure I get one next winter!

The people you have mentioned are more likely to end up in hospital. It’s about hospitals not been over run.

For future reference Superdrug is the cheapest place to get the flu jab.

Longma · 19/10/2024 09:18

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Coconutter24 · 19/10/2024 09:17

GretchenWienersHair · 19/10/2024 09:11

40% of people on UC are in work so if they are earning a wage and getting topped up why can’t they pay?

I don’t know how it all works so I could be wrong here, but if they’re receiving UC + their wage, I thought that was to bring them up to a minimum living standard (so still very low in comparison to most others)?

But if their wage is being made up to a minimum living of standard why should they be entitled to a free flu jab over people who are at a minimum living standard with no help of UC? They are now at the same pay level so why would one get it free and not the other?

shuffleofftobuffalo · 19/10/2024 09:16

I see where you're coming from. But you can get the flu jab for £10, which is worth the money to balance out the very real issue you've outlined.

Realistically the NHS cannot provide it for all due to cost, so it is entirely right they focus on health related risk groups. Single parents as a demographic are not a clinical need.

Longma · 19/10/2024 09:13

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Daleksatemyshed · 19/10/2024 09:12

Covid jabs are worse Op, if you don't qualify for a free one you can buy one at Boots for £98 and that's beyond a lot of people's budgets.

IveGotALovelyBunchOfCoconutss · 19/10/2024 09:12

Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 07:18

This is off the back of a very hard week. I picked up a nasty dose of flu, probably from a baby group. I have a super high pain threshold but when I have a cold I'm utterly useless. I need two or three days to hibernate and recover.

Last week I discovered that you can't do this as a single mum. DD (7.5 months) needed me. So I had to plough on, and it was hard. It's been over a week and I still haven't shaken it off completely, but now DD has it (it's breaking my heart to see her unwell). She has been dosed up with Calpol but is very unsettled. Between the two of us, it is probably going to write off nearly 3 weeks.

AIBU to think that single parents should be offered free flu jabs?

Can your DD have neurofen or similar? We've always found that much better when they are unwell and lasts longer so we would alternate to make sure they were always covered and try to time it so neurofen was before bed and would get a better night that way

Goldbar · 19/10/2024 09:11

Coconutter24 · 19/10/2024 09:09

40% of people on UC are in work so if they are earning a wage and getting topped up why can’t they pay? Unfortunately people do choose benefits over working more hours because of the cost of childcare and other reasons also. I spoke with someone last month and they were applying for another job but couldn’t or wouldn’t go for it in the end because it was a few more hours and she would not be entitled to as much UC, now she could of made that loss of money up by more hours but chose not to. I’m not saying everyone does that but I bet a high percentage of people on UC do factor that in with their working hours

The high cost of childcare distorts a lot of incentives to work harder.

GretchenWienersHair · 19/10/2024 09:11

Coconutter24 · 19/10/2024 09:09

40% of people on UC are in work so if they are earning a wage and getting topped up why can’t they pay? Unfortunately people do choose benefits over working more hours because of the cost of childcare and other reasons also. I spoke with someone last month and they were applying for another job but couldn’t or wouldn’t go for it in the end because it was a few more hours and she would not be entitled to as much UC, now she could of made that loss of money up by more hours but chose not to. I’m not saying everyone does that but I bet a high percentage of people on UC do factor that in with their working hours

40% of people on UC are in work so if they are earning a wage and getting topped up why can’t they pay?

I don’t know how it all works so I could be wrong here, but if they’re receiving UC + their wage, I thought that was to bring them up to a minimum living standard (so still very low in comparison to most others)?

Dishwashersaurous · 19/10/2024 09:10

Lots of places of work allow you to get it and claim it back. Worth finding out if your work offers it.

Coconutter24 · 19/10/2024 09:09

GretchenWienersHair · 19/10/2024 08:22

Because people on “decent incomes” can pay if we need to.

(Edit to add to your last point) I don’t know the figures, but what percentage of people on benefits are because they can’t work (due to illness etc) vs because they won’t work? I can’t imagine the number of people choosing to be on benefits is actually as high as most people would think…

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40% of people on UC are in work so if they are earning a wage and getting topped up why can’t they pay? Unfortunately people do choose benefits over working more hours because of the cost of childcare and other reasons also. I spoke with someone last month and they were applying for another job but couldn’t or wouldn’t go for it in the end because it was a few more hours and she would not be entitled to as much UC, now she could of made that loss of money up by more hours but chose not to. I’m not saying everyone does that but I bet a high percentage of people on UC do factor that in with their working hours

Didimum · 19/10/2024 09:08

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 19/10/2024 08:41

To be fair, carers are offered the vaccine. Someone who is the main carer for someone who may be put at risk if the carer becomes ill and is unable to care for them will get the vaccine.

Im not saying I agree with the OP, but it's hard to argue the sole carer of a 6 month old, for example, doesn't meet that definition.

That’s not why carers receive a flu vaccine. It’s so they are less likely to pass on flu to the person they are caring for.

Flu vaccination for a pregnant woman will protect her infant until up to 6 months old, at which point vulnerable 6+ month olds can also receive a free jab.

Goldbar · 19/10/2024 09:07

YellowphantGrey · 19/10/2024 08:56

But again what about Moms that are in marriages or relationships with lazy or abusive partners that don't help or refuse them access to money?

No need to go to the lowest common denominator - "we can't help everyone so let's help no one".

In two-parent families, it may be that there is only one effective parent caring for the kids. In single-parent families, it definitely is.

cheezncrackers · 19/10/2024 08:58

You can self-ID as a carer on forms. I don't actually see much difference between being a carer for say an elderly person or a baby - they both take all your time and energy.

YellowphantGrey · 19/10/2024 08:56

Polly111 · 19/10/2024 08:55

I think they should be offered a free vaccine. It’s pretty impossible to care for a young child when you have flu. People always say single mums need to build a support network etc but getting someone to look after your child for 4 or more days/nights when people have work and other commitments is quite a big ask.

It would be fairly easy to identify single mums who receive universal credit and if they’re sending a letter in October about the warm homes discount they could just add in a flu voucher.

But again what about Moms that are in marriages or relationships with lazy or abusive partners that don't help or refuse them access to money?

cheezncrackers · 19/10/2024 08:56

How do you know it was flu OP? Unless you had a test to confirm it, you don't, however bad you felt. As you say, you react very badly to colds and need a few days in bed. There are some awful colds around atm, plus Covid. It's pretty early in the winter for flu to be circulating, so chances are it was either a cold or Covid, both of which most certainly are circulating.

YellowphantGrey · 19/10/2024 08:55

Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 07:32

@Haroldwilson I completely agree with you in your first paragraph. Although that same logic applies to other groups that are offered free vaccines, such as over 65s and pregnant women with millions in the bank.

Maybe a better idea would be to offer free flu jabs to new parents as an opt in scheme. Open to couples or single parents. I doubt everyone who choose to have it. At the moment I can't afford £20 just like that, but having gone through these last couple of weeks I will definitely be making sure I get one next winter!

Could you save £2 a month ready for next year?

As someone else said, there are also Moms in relationships where the men are useless so would still have to struggle and women in financially abusive relationships where they don't have access to money.

Polly111 · 19/10/2024 08:55

I think they should be offered a free vaccine. It’s pretty impossible to care for a young child when you have flu. People always say single mums need to build a support network etc but getting someone to look after your child for 4 or more days/nights when people have work and other commitments is quite a big ask.

It would be fairly easy to identify single mums who receive universal credit and if they’re sending a letter in October about the warm homes discount they could just add in a flu voucher.

LargeJugs · 19/10/2024 08:55

Journeyintomelody · 19/10/2024 07:46

@ByMerryKoala that's fair enough, I hadn't thought of it that way. It's just a really rubbish situation to be in. Definitely the hardest week I've had as a parent. I have lupus and so always get flare ups following a cold so it really drags on. I should probably stop wallowing. Flu just generally sucks.

Ask your rheumatologist if you can have it on the grounds of lupus. If you're on any medication for it that could cause any immunosuppression you should be able to get one on the NHS.

sashh · 19/10/2024 08:52

Superdrug have it for under £10 if you have a health and beauty card. ASDA it is £13.

£13 is £1.10 per month for a year.

blitzen · 19/10/2024 08:47

Was it definitely flu you had, or just a bad cold? With flu you literally can't get out of bed. Sympathy either way though, it's tough being poorly and still needing to look after your children.

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