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School harassing us over attendance...

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1993baby · 18/10/2024 21:26

A bit of backstory..
This school is obsessed with attendance.
Last year in reception my daughter was hospitalised and really poorly. The school were calling me every day asking when she would be back when they knew she was in the hospital! I remember sat by her hospital bed and getting called from the school.
Then when she was discharged, they were coming to our house every day to “check on her progress” basically harassing us in to sending her back to school.
She was only 4 - under compulsory school age.

This continued any time she was off with illness.

Now...

This year DD had chickenpox and was off school for 2 weeks, she was really poorly with it and ended up in A&E dehydrated from being sick constantly. It took 2 weeks for her all of the scabs to scab over. We followed NHS and GOV guidelines about staying off until the scabs had healed.

Then immediately after, she got tonsillitis.
She couldn’t even drink water and we ended up at the out of hours. He prescribed antibiotics and said she had a really bad case of tonsillitis.
He said to keep her off school to rest until she feels better. She has been off a week as she has been really poorly with it.
I’ve taken her back to the GP two times as she seemed to get worse.

I informed school about all of this.
However when she had chicken pox, they were calling me even on the second day of illness asking for an update on when she would be back?
the GOV advice says AT LEAST 5 days..
so how are they asking for an update on when she would be back when it’s only been 2 days, she’s in the infectious period and it was actually impossible for her to be in school according to the rules.
It was just ridiculous.

Then 2 people from the school came round to our house to give us an attendance warning letter!! She had chicken pox.

They then asked us to send her to school with chickenpox.

Today, the GP told us that school has contacted them about her absence. They have asked the GP for confirmation of illnesses and told them to encourage her back to school?!

Apparently the school have now flagged this up as a safeguarding issue because she has been off a couple of weeks.

We went to 2 doctors this week and both of them said the same thing about school attendance, so it must be permanently on her health record now?!

Are they allowed to do this? I thought they had to ask my permission to access her medical records?
She has been off with genuine illness and been to the GP more times than I can count on two hands in that time period ! It’s hardly a safeguarding issue?! I kept the school updated and informed.

The GP asked me “how is everything at home?” So the school has obviously flagged a safeguarding with them which is totally unfair and I feel disgusted by the insinuation they are making here.

I walked out of the GP’s room in tears I was that upset by it all...

What can I do?
Can I get this taken off her record? :(

OP posts:
How2024 · 19/10/2024 04:17

I was pursued by the EWO and LA re two of my dc - not at the same time.

The first one had OCD, the second had bad hormonal issues and an element of anxiety / school refusal.

In both cases I got a warning (which is the minimum outcome in all cases) as they realised that the issues were genuine and I was trying to get them to school / make sure they got there on time.

Nothing on my record or my dc’s.

It was stressful though, especially the first time round.

In your position OP I would formally complain to the governing body and change schools.

Womblewife · 19/10/2024 04:14

Move schools - this one is mental.
they are attendance officers not the gestapo.
I would also put in a compliant and raise with parents and governors meeting. This is a disgrace.

Wasityoubecayse · 19/10/2024 04:04

It sounds like they are findng the sickness level unusual. If the gps are asking you if your okay ask them why. I did have a friend go through something similar but i dont actually know, it was very serious escaleted to a section 37 36 or something. I dont know how ut was resolved do know she got a lot better.

Jingleballs2 · 19/10/2024 03:38

stichguru · 18/10/2024 22:00

The school are doing what they legally have to do. There's no way round it without the school getting into serious trouble.

They certainly didn't at my sons school.. we called up with chickenpox and was told "yes it's going around, he'll need to be off the rest of the week" I sent him back a week later 🤷‍♀️ still with the odd mark on his face

Blondiney · 19/10/2024 03:36

Oldermum84 · 18/10/2024 22:08

You couldn't swallow your own saliva?! Wowee... What were you doing with it then 🤣🤣🤣

Totally normal for tonsillitis, sadly. I had it repeatedly as a kid before they whipped them out. Had to spit into a bowl.

ChampagneLassie · 19/10/2024 03:32

Obviously the concern is whether your DD is really ill or that you are making this up and instead there are issues at home. When tragedies happen one of first q is why did no one notice, the school are taking their safe guarding seriously as they should.

Ownyourchoices · 19/10/2024 03:31

The UK must have seriously bad attendance issues at school. Australian here and its nothing like this!

Alifefulloflemons · 19/10/2024 03:22

It sounds like the school are under pressure and have certain targets to meet wrt attendance. An absolute nightmare for you though no doubt as your priority and focus is your child's health! Can you give the school a doctor's note about your daughter's chicken pox to confirm that she needs this time off? Where I live (not UK based) it's compulsory to provide a doctor's note, even if it's for a trifling cold!

marmadukedoggo · 19/10/2024 03:20

Your msg should have been " how lucky you are to have a DH with such lovely manners - he has clearly passed them on as Lottie was a delight!
Never speak to her again.
If you want to go really hardarse then just send" I can tell your DH has wonderful manners". Leave her wondering.

Oldseagull · 19/10/2024 02:48

I was nearly driven to suicide after a period of disabled dc being very ill.

The sleep deprivation didn't help, but the relentless harassment from a school I previously had a good relationship with was the main pressure at that point.

offyoujollywelltrot · 19/10/2024 02:34

I find it bizarre that anyone would think that education comes before a child's health. An ill child can't perform at school properly, they need to stop pestering you.

SoYouThinkYouCanPrance · 19/10/2024 01:59

MartinCrieffsLemon · 18/10/2024 22:09

Spitting a lot. Crying in pain as you do swallow

I've had the same. It's awful.

I’ve had tonsillitis to that extreme extent too. Spitting, in agony, unable to swallow at all without huge distress. Strong painkillers didn’t touch the sides. It was almost 20 years ago and still makes me shudder to recall. In retrospect I ought to be have been in hospital.

Tonsillitis can be mild or moderate, but it’s not that uncommon for it to turn really bad.

HoldMyLatte · 19/10/2024 01:45

Oldermum84 · 18/10/2024 22:19

That's quinsy..not tonsillitis..the OP sounds very overdramatic about everything. Tonsillitis can make it very difficult and painful to swallow but it would be extremely rare to literally not be able to swallow any saliva at all with tonsillitis. Just like it would be extremely rare to be hospitalised with chickenpox aged 5, but the OP thinks this is normal.

Yes as adults/older people, we know the difference between not being able to swallow and it being painful to swallow. But children with tonsillitis will often be fearful of swallowing even if they 'physically' or 'technically' can which will lead to them saying they can't swallow or refusing if they don't have the verbal skills to say what's going on. Not uncommon at all for children to be hospitalised with dehydration due to tonsillitis.

NoSquirrels · 19/10/2024 00:55

OP, if you feel your relationship with this school has broken down - no trust on either side - then I’d seriously look at moving schools and having a fresh start. Your DD is still young and a move now will be less stressful than later on.

TeenLifeMum · 19/10/2024 00:54

It’s awful but sadly not new. Years ago my friend’s daughter was in hospital and school were harassing her to get back in (primary age 7). She ended up saying, sure, if you can accommodate her needs I’ll send her in. The head teacher then asked what the needs were… a life support machine and round the clock nursing with access to a resus team! The head knew she was in icu, did she think she was there for fun?! It made me so cross that the parents had enough going on without school harassing her. She had to provide a doctors letter (fine, easy enough) AND photographic evidence she was on life support!

Chasqui · 19/10/2024 00:51

hotpotlover · 19/10/2024 00:09

I think it's great that they are safeguarding children. It's nothing personal, it's just their procedures and they have to make sure there aren't nefarious reasons for the absence.

We've been lucky so far with our 4-year old son in reception, no illnesses yet.

However, I wouldn't get worked up about this. I would think it's great they're checking on him. That's a good school, in my opinion.

😂

Waytooearlytogetup · 19/10/2024 00:48

Alifemoreordinary123 · 18/10/2024 23:10

Ridiculous and completely unnecessary. They may have targets they have to achieve, and obviously a safeguarding role to check where children are if they are absent, but that approach is batshit. Coming to your house is unacceptable unless they have genuine safeguarding concerns. My children are at two primaries and neither is anywhere near as strict as that.

I find overzealous attendance targeting completely unacceptable - children, and adults for that matter, are ‘allowed’ to be unwell and recover from their illness. Nothing good, physical or mental, comes from denying time off school for this.

I agree, there is a distinct whiff of disability discrimination in aggressively targeting attendance even in the face of strong evidence of genuine illness. It's effectively saying it isn't OK to be unwell.

Also, NHS waiting lists are so long now, many children will be managing conditions over significant time periods while waiting to see consultants to get treatment for issues that might cause recurrent absence eg. ear infections, tonsillitis, coeliacs etc etc.

And from a safeguarding perspective, if you are wasting time chasing up a child with active (confirmed) chickenpox, that's time you don't have to spend on another child who might have genuine safeguarding issues.

BlackToes · 19/10/2024 00:37

your poorly child is not a safeguarding concern, anyone in their right mind would know this

LuluBlakey1 · 19/10/2024 00:36

How many days has she had off last year and how many days this year?

BlackToes · 19/10/2024 00:34

Who is leading the harrassment ? Write a factual formal complaint to the head, then if the response is unsatisfactory write a factual formal complaint to the governors and LA. You are essentially being harrassed despite your child being hospital bound, infectious, ill. No adult would be treated like this in the workplace, they would be signed off and contact would be off limits. The school is damaging their relationship with you through lack of trust and inferring an issue exists where it doesn’t. They have overstepped by approaching your GP. Their method of haranguing parents highlights that the school priorities attendance statistics above child well being.

1993baby · 19/10/2024 00:32

@BlackFriYay exactly!! It’s so reassuring to see that other people see what’s going on.

The attendance letter which had her attendance percentage on and warning about absences they gave me on this “safeguarding” visit gave it away 🙃

They are breaking rules and government guidelines by using safeguarding as an excuse and on false pretences.

It is so stressful 😣

OP posts:
Bigcat25 · 19/10/2024 00:26

This is utterly ridiculous. I'm not in the UK, but I can't believe they came to your house, that would never happen here.

With all those bouts of illness, it wouldn't hurt her to have a break at home to regain strength after being sick.

Opine · 19/10/2024 00:17

Re safeguarding. The murdered children we are hearing about weren’t just frequently absent. They were attending school with injuries. Many of them known to social services. Their families reported by friends, family and neighbours. School attendance is one aspect of a much larger picture of institutional failure.
Some of it is about safeguarding but mostly its box ticking. How is a child at risk when they are in hospital?

Tittat50 · 19/10/2024 00:13

SS won't touch this with much of a barge pole. They have so much to deal with that they can't resource, they'd close this case within 5 minutes.

BlackFriYay · 19/10/2024 00:12

hotpotlover · 19/10/2024 00:09

I think it's great that they are safeguarding children. It's nothing personal, it's just their procedures and they have to make sure there aren't nefarious reasons for the absence.

We've been lucky so far with our 4-year old son in reception, no illnesses yet.

However, I wouldn't get worked up about this. I would think it's great they're checking on him. That's a good school, in my opinion.

You're missing the point.

They are only using 'safeguarding visits' as a way to gain entry so they can present the OP with attendance letters. It's attendance figures they're bothered about. There doesn't appear to be any legitimate safeguarding concerns here, if there were then I'm sure the multiple GP's her DD has seen would make referrals themselves.

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