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What is with the English, affairs, and divorce?

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BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:21

Everyday when I visit this website I see a post about a husband having an affair, or a suspicion that he is cheating, or an irritation that he is getting to close to a female friend. I see mumsnet as an accurate description of what is going on in English society, and the levels of infidelity shock me.

I'm Irish, and believe me that the men here are not perfect. We have high levels of addiction (alcoholism) and dysfunction (anger management) but the infidelity is definitely not as commonplace (although it does take place but not as frequently). Yes, Irish marriages/relationships break up, and adults may get a second life partner after a relationship has died, but the actual 'cheating' is not as common and is scandalous if it does take place.

I find it shocking that an average man can contently sleep with another woman, and then go home to his wife and kids. My mind boggles that a woman can feel like she has a right to encroach on another womans husband and take a father from his family.

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Geranen · 18/10/2024 11:52

Seashellssanctuary · 18/10/2024 11:29

You need to think a bit more logically

Population England 69m
Population Ireland 5m

So as a very rough calculation things are 14X more likely to happen in UK including posting on this forum

Edited

Just one example of many, many posts casually conflating England and the UK.

That figure you posted is actually the population of the UK, not of England.

They are not the same thing.

Runninglateagaintoday · 18/10/2024 11:52

https://outragemag.com/countries-with-most-least-cheaters-identified/

Well, this suggests that OP is on to something. The results of this (probably not at all scientific) survey put cheating in the UK at 66% and Ireland at 15% 🤔

Countries with most, least cheaters identified

Wanna know which countries have the most - and least - cheaters, and who they cheat with? Here's a rundown.

https://outragemag.com/countries-with-most-least-cheaters-identified

rosesaredeadvioletsaretoo · 18/10/2024 11:52

😂😂 cheating isn’t specific to any one country. If you don’t know about it, it either means the men are better at hiding it or you’re a bit oblivious!

SoupDragon · 18/10/2024 11:51

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:24

I said that it does happen here but it's not as common.

So, what you are saying is that you don't see it happening as much in your small circle of people as it does on a large international site filled with people of unspecified nationality? Except it's clearly all English people who are unfaithful

Waterboatlass · 18/10/2024 11:51

Hang on, what about the Welsh and Scottish??

PlantHeadNo5 · 18/10/2024 11:50

To be fair to the OP, the stats do seem to suggest that divorce rates in Ireland are fairly low. England, Wales and Scotland (sorry to burst your bubble @MorrisZapp) are all significantly higher.

But I don’t think this means no one is engaging in a bit of extra marital. Plus, the fact you think no one is doing it because you haven’t heard about it OP doesn’t say much as some people are pretty good at getting away with it.

Butchyrestingface · 18/10/2024 11:50

I'm Irish, and believe me that the men here are not perfect. We have high levels of addiction (alcoholism) and dysfunction (anger management) but the infidelity is definitely not as commonplace (although it does take place but not as frequently).

So are you saying Irish men are too busy getting drunk and angry to shag about?

I'm not English OR Irish btw so no skin in the game. Grin

SoupDragon · 18/10/2024 11:49

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:35

I never said it doesn't take place here. It does. But not as much.

How do I know? Because people talk. I know it's quite common in a certain professions.

This is not meant as an attack on English people. God knows Irish people have got their problems. This site just seems to be filled with posts about suspicions, or women who are trying to walk away from a married man, or stepparents who resent their stepchildren.

Maybe I am naive, and I live in an innocent world but I don't see it taking place as often here.

And how do you know the nationality of the people posting?

Yes, you are naive.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 18/10/2024 11:49

There are also a huge number of Irish people in England are they all faithful? Is it only in Ireland they behave?

TheDrunkenClam · 18/10/2024 11:49

I still want to know how you know that all the infidelity posters are from England @BoundaryGirl3939 😂

ThinWomansBrain · 18/10/2024 11:47

"This is not meant as an attack on English people. God knows Irish people have got their problems. This site just seems to be filled with posts about suspicions, or women who are trying to walk away from a married man"

Whereas in Ireland they're just trying to escape the sexually abusive priests?

MorrisZapp · 18/10/2024 11:47

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:42

And also, yes, we do have sleazebags here who look for something easy on the side. But everyone would know the person is a sleazebag and only an absolute eejit would go with them.

I do recall stories of people cheating in superficial relationships in their 20s. But to cheat when you've got children at home, and you're wife is into you is mind boggling. You're playing with fire and it's insane.

'affairs are so silly! I can't understand why anyone would have one'

Well clearly they're not without consequence but I think human nature as demonstrated by human behaviour across all of history and world geography might hold the answer.

Comtesse · 18/10/2024 11:47

Don’t be silly - I’m pretty sure the English are no better or worse than any other nationality on infidelity.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 18/10/2024 11:47

Just discovered recently from DNA that my Irish GF has a half brother, his father and possibly by his mother's sister. No one knew Maybe the Irish keep secrets better!

User135644 · 18/10/2024 11:46

Women cheat just as much.

magicscares · 18/10/2024 11:45

… probably because you’re reading anonymous posts on a large (international) forum. It’s a ‘safe place’ for people to get advice without the judgement of ppl who know them.

Most people don’t advertise their private difficulties in real life, sometimes even to friends & family. Doesn’t mean it’s not happening unfortunately.

DinnaeFashYerself · 18/10/2024 11:44

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:35

I never said it doesn't take place here. It does. But not as much.

How do I know? Because people talk. I know it's quite common in a certain professions.

This is not meant as an attack on English people. God knows Irish people have got their problems. This site just seems to be filled with posts about suspicions, or women who are trying to walk away from a married man, or stepparents who resent their stepchildren.

Maybe I am naive, and I live in an innocent world but I don't see it taking place as often here.

How do you know that all those posts on the relationship boards about infertility are not from Irish women?

MorrisZapp · 18/10/2024 11:44

My friends here in Scotland are all pretty normal yet every day on MN I read about batshit in laws, men who can't use washing machines, kids who can knock up a lasagne, women who can't ask for things in shops and wild (made up) entitlement around every aspect of weddings.

Must be an English thing.

tygertygers · 18/10/2024 11:43

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:24

I said that it does happen here but it's not as common.

You have no idea what's going on in other peoples homes and marriages. You might think no one you know is capable of an affair but you are wrong.

Take it from someone who is neither English, nor Irish, or even from that hemisphere!

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:42

And also, yes, we do have sleazebags here who look for something easy on the side. But everyone would know the person is a sleazebag and only an absolute eejit would go with them.

I do recall stories of people cheating in superficial relationships in their 20s. But to cheat when you've got children at home, and you're wife is into you is mind boggling. You're playing with fire and it's insane.

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ARichtGoodDram · 18/10/2024 11:42

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:28

So nobody thinks the levels of affairs is remarkably high? There seems to be post after post about it on this site.

That's because people post when they are distressed.

Nobody is going to post on AiBU upset or worried because "I've been married for 20 years, started amazingly and we now plod along happily". They don't need to start a thread if nothing is happening.

I post on here about my DD and her health issues because it's tough and support here is good. I posted about my shitty siblings because it's tough and support here is good.

I don't post about my marriage as we're plodding along happily. If one of us discovered the other was having an affair then we'd have reason to post.

It's the same as the MiL posts. It's disproportionate because people who have a MIL who is neither a nightmare nor amazing has any need to post.

HRTQueen · 18/10/2024 11:41

Since when has being a catholic stopped men or women having affairs 😂

people don't have affairs because one they don't want to or for others the opportunity does not arise

that is the only thing that stops affairs, not religion, not fear of being caught, not a promise or a wedding vow, not love, not feeling a sense of responsibility, not being in a happy marriage

there is just more opportunity now to for people to connect and that's how it starts

SweetSakura · 18/10/2024 11:41

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:35

I never said it doesn't take place here. It does. But not as much.

How do I know? Because people talk. I know it's quite common in a certain professions.

This is not meant as an attack on English people. God knows Irish people have got their problems. This site just seems to be filled with posts about suspicions, or women who are trying to walk away from a married man, or stepparents who resent their stepchildren.

Maybe I am naive, and I live in an innocent world but I don't see it taking place as often here.

Given that you, as I understand it, are not English, how are you assuming that everyone else on here is?

SweetSakura · 18/10/2024 11:41

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:35

I never said it doesn't take place here. It does. But not as much.

How do I know? Because people talk. I know it's quite common in a certain professions.

This is not meant as an attack on English people. God knows Irish people have got their problems. This site just seems to be filled with posts about suspicions, or women who are trying to walk away from a married man, or stepparents who resent their stepchildren.

Maybe I am naive, and I live in an innocent world but I don't see it taking place as often here.

Given that you, as I understand it, are not English, how are you assuming that everyone else on here is?

LaMontser · 18/10/2024 11:40

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/10/2024 11:24

I said that it does happen here but it's not as common.

You’re approaching this the wrong way. It’s not that there’s less infidelity here; we’re just better at not getting caught.