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Ghost or be brutally honest?

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TheBeesKnee · 18/10/2024 11:04

I'm posting on behalf of my friend who, in her own words, is too angry to think straight.

She went on a third date to a man's house to make pizza. His suggestion. When she got there he was very low effort, joggers and crocs, had the ingredients but no rolling pin (but helpfully pulled out an old flour-crusted bottle of wine as a solution - suggests he's done this before? 🤔).

The place was a bit grubby but the bathroom was filthy. There was a crusty bar of soap that looked like it hadn't been used in a while. There was no other soap/hand wash in the bathroom or kitchen.

Other highlights include a tour of the house and "this is where the magic happens" when they got to the bedroom.

She doesn't want to see him again. They are both mid 30s.

YABU - she should ghost him
YANBU - tell him she doesn't want to continue dating him because he's a dirty bitch and she doesn't want to further populate her microbiome

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ElaborateCushion · 22/10/2024 11:03

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/10/2024 09:44

Oh well in that case I'd be tempted to reply, "OK, well I preferred not to get into specifics because I saw no point in hurting your feelings for the sake of it, but I'm looking for a grown up, not someone who doesn't clean his flat and rolls out pizza dough with a dirty wine bottle because he doesn't own a rolling pin."

Yup - given his reply she should definitely do this.

Or

"Well, I was trying to be polite, but given your response:

a) we bought rounds on our first two dates - you didn't pay for "everything"
b) if you're going to invite a date around to your flat on your second date, do the decent thing and make yourself look like you're actually interested
c) if the "make pizza together" thing is just some sort of ruse you use for all your dates, make sure you clean the wine bottle roller between uses; but mostly
d) clean your flat, particularly the bathroom, and for the love of god buy some bloody soap so that visitors can wash their hands after using the loo, because clearly you don't!"

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/10/2024 09:44

TheBeesKnee · 21/10/2024 10:16

Sorry I forgot to update the thread and the recent replies have reminded me!

She sent a nice, neutral "been nice getting to know you but don't think we should carry on, all the best" type message.

How do we think he replied?

A. a generally neutral response along similar lines.

B. A little rant about how he didn't like the he saw notifications on her phone from dating apps and having to "pay for everything" even though they took turns getting rounds in on the first 2 bar dates

Oh well in that case I'd be tempted to reply, "OK, well I preferred not to get into specifics because I saw no point in hurting your feelings for the sake of it, but I'm looking for a grown up, not someone who doesn't clean his flat and rolls out pizza dough with a dirty wine bottle because he doesn't own a rolling pin."

TheBeesKnee · 22/10/2024 09:39

Toomanyemails · 22/10/2024 08:46

A dirty bathroom would be a major turnoff for me! (no issues with a clean wine bottle to roll dough, if you must roll pizza) Fine to just say a polite, vague "not feeling it" "not sure we're aligned" blah blah.
Only worth getting into the details if that's the genuine only reason, and all aside from that she'd be really keen. Otherwise leave the brutal honesty to his close friends and family

The wine bottle was not clean either Wink

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Toomanyemails · 22/10/2024 08:47

Oops, just spotted this is ironically a ghost thread! Sounds like she dodged a bullet and there were more red flags...

Toomanyemails · 22/10/2024 08:46

A dirty bathroom would be a major turnoff for me! (no issues with a clean wine bottle to roll dough, if you must roll pizza) Fine to just say a polite, vague "not feeling it" "not sure we're aligned" blah blah.
Only worth getting into the details if that's the genuine only reason, and all aside from that she'd be really keen. Otherwise leave the brutal honesty to his close friends and family

Tink3rbell30 · 22/10/2024 08:42

Neither. Ghosting is just embarrassing to do as an adult but you don't need to go to brutal truths in this situation either. A vague explanation will do.

jrc1071 · 22/10/2024 08:40

TheBeesKnee · 21/10/2024 10:16

Sorry I forgot to update the thread and the recent replies have reminded me!

She sent a nice, neutral "been nice getting to know you but don't think we should carry on, all the best" type message.

How do we think he replied?

A. a generally neutral response along similar lines.

B. A little rant about how he didn't like the he saw notifications on her phone from dating apps and having to "pay for everything" even though they took turns getting rounds in on the first 2 bar dates

Let me guess, B? Most men who do not out in effort and expect an outcome usually get very angry. So your friend dodged a bullet. And her response was good: neutral. No explanation needed, in fact, had she explained a little, he would know what buttons to push and rope her back in.

jrc1071 · 22/10/2024 08:38

TheBeesKnee · 18/10/2024 13:36

Right just to be clear, we're not total social eejits. She has sent polite, neutral "no thank you" break up texts before. But those men have been incompatible in neutral non offensive ways (aside from the racist).

This is the first time a man's house has been actively dirty. I do think most people expect an effort in the beginning, especially when he was so clearly hoping for a shag.

I would have thought the two extreme choices would have indicated that this was venting/light hearted thread without having to spell it out.

It's a swamp out there.

Exactly this. I think a lot of women are tired of being hopeful, only to see that some men put in minimal effort and still expect an outcome-- or 'magic'. I get it. While her anger may have been a little over the top, it was more than likely frustration.

Hence why I have not dated in 10 years and will more than likely never date again. :)

GreyMember · 21/10/2024 19:30

Be honest. Just get her to list the things she didn't like and say they are deal breakers. That way you are actually adding value to the person for future rather than some nonsense excuse.

Why must there be this veneer of politeness or lying.

LRT555 · 21/10/2024 11:23

I hope she had the final word 😁and send a "sweet" text responding to Floury Wine Bottle Man -

"Oh dearie me, seems like I made the right decision! All the best"

and.....BLOCK!

TheBeesKnee · 21/10/2024 10:31

AngelicKaty · 21/10/2024 10:28

Definitely B.

I absolutely supported a simple non-explanatory end to the "relationship" by OP, as she did, but due to his snarky response I would have been tempted to follow up with "actually, I'm ending it because you're one filthy pig with a total lack of self-awareness".

Yep, OP definitely had a lucky escape.

She should have sent the poem! 🤣

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AngelicKaty · 21/10/2024 10:28

Definitely B.

I absolutely supported a simple non-explanatory end to the "relationship" by OP, as she did, but due to his snarky response I would have been tempted to follow up with "actually, I'm ending it because you're one filthy pig with a total lack of self-awareness".

Yep, OP definitely had a lucky escape.

Demonhunter · 21/10/2024 10:19

Absolutely the best reply she could have given. Short, to the point and no personal attack. She can walk away the bigger person here and forget about it.

HappyDane · 21/10/2024 10:18

B. Definitely B.

She's dodged a dodgy one there for sure.

TheBeesKnee · 21/10/2024 10:16

Sorry I forgot to update the thread and the recent replies have reminded me!

She sent a nice, neutral "been nice getting to know you but don't think we should carry on, all the best" type message.

How do we think he replied?

A. a generally neutral response along similar lines.

B. A little rant about how he didn't like the he saw notifications on her phone from dating apps and having to "pay for everything" even though they took turns getting rounds in on the first 2 bar dates

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rayofsunshine86 · 20/10/2024 15:33

But you don't use a rolling pin to make pizza.

<<Misses point of thread>>

AngelicKaty · 20/10/2024 15:30

She shouldn't ghost him. Whenever someone says they're going to do that I always ask them how they would feel if someone did that to them?
Time to be a grown up and tell him it's not going anywhere - she can either give no further explanation than that (he may infer that her visit to his place is the reason) or she could tell him she couldn't be with someone who has no sense of even the most basic hygiene standards (this feedback may prompt him to up his game in the future).
On the upside, she's had a lucky escape now she's seen him in his natural habitat! 😂

HelmholtzWatson · 20/10/2024 05:24

TheBeesKnee · 18/10/2024 11:09

So, lying.

Is "Your stretch marks are a real turn off" an appropriate way to end a relationship? Or would you prefer to hear "sorry, I'm just not feeling a connection"?

Screamingabdabz · 18/10/2024 18:14

SpiggingBelgium · 18/10/2024 17:47

Tell her to send him a card with a little poem, like those grabby wedding invitations:

“I was looking forward to our date, but I’m so mad I can’t think straight;
It was an evening full of shocks - not least that you were wearing Crocs;
We made pizza with no rolling pin; you’re so untidy - buy a bin!
‘The magic happens’ in a dump - there’s not a chance that we will hump;
So now, Crocs man, you I must ditch - because you’re a dirty fucking bitch!”

Love this.

yeesh · 18/10/2024 18:06

👻 it’s spooky season, I vote to ghost him 😁

pictoosh · 18/10/2024 17:59

SpiggingBelgium · 18/10/2024 17:47

Tell her to send him a card with a little poem, like those grabby wedding invitations:

“I was looking forward to our date, but I’m so mad I can’t think straight;
It was an evening full of shocks - not least that you were wearing Crocs;
We made pizza with no rolling pin; you’re so untidy - buy a bin!
‘The magic happens’ in a dump - there’s not a chance that we will hump;
So now, Crocs man, you I must ditch - because you’re a dirty fucking bitch!”

This does have some merit, I will admit. 😆

BettyBardMacDonald · 18/10/2024 17:57

SpiggingBelgium · 18/10/2024 17:47

Tell her to send him a card with a little poem, like those grabby wedding invitations:

“I was looking forward to our date, but I’m so mad I can’t think straight;
It was an evening full of shocks - not least that you were wearing Crocs;
We made pizza with no rolling pin; you’re so untidy - buy a bin!
‘The magic happens’ in a dump - there’s not a chance that we will hump;
So now, Crocs man, you I must ditch - because you’re a dirty fucking bitch!”

I actually laughed out loud. Brilliant!!!!!!

GreengrassofW · 18/10/2024 17:51

😂
joggers and crocs
I'd leave as soon as I saw that scene

SpiggingBelgium · 18/10/2024 17:47

Tell her to send him a card with a little poem, like those grabby wedding invitations:

“I was looking forward to our date, but I’m so mad I can’t think straight;
It was an evening full of shocks - not least that you were wearing Crocs;
We made pizza with no rolling pin; you’re so untidy - buy a bin!
‘The magic happens’ in a dump - there’s not a chance that we will hump;
So now, Crocs man, you I must ditch - because you’re a dirty fucking bitch!”

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/10/2024 17:38

TheBeesKnee · 18/10/2024 17:24

I don't think that's a fair comparison, you're not going to potentially be living with a friend!

You might well end up living with a friend. You most likely won't end up living with most men you go on a date with.

For what it's worth, I have decided not to live with particular friends because of their lifestyles, and I have decided not to go on further dates with men for all kinds of reasons.

I never felt the need to say, "I don't want to live with you because you have too many one night stands and I don't want to be always finding random men in the house" to my friend, or, "I don't want to go on further dates with you because you have bad table manners" to a man I had been out for dinner with. Just, "Thanks, but I don't think that's going to work for me."

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