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Work Issue - Should I make a formal complaint?

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SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 07:50

Bit of background. I was in an emotionally (occasionally physically) abusive relationship for years, and finally ended it after he assaulted me, causing me to fracture my spine. I had counselling for trauma and managed to break the cycle and subsequently met an extremely loving partner.

Roll forwards. I've been at my company for 20 years. Never had any issues whatsoever. This week, I had a Teams call with a colleague. She was extremely agitated and started the conversation with, 'Let me FINISH. I'm speaking' So I kept quiet and listened. After she'd finished, I started my explanation and was barely 3 sentences in when she said 'You're being very aggressive. You're being very accusatory. I don't like your tone of voice and I'm ending this now! and she disconnected the meeting.

I immediately called HR and explained what happened. HR had already been included in the emails relating to the original issue. HR was very understanding and lovely.

However, each time I've received an email from this woman since then, my anxiety has spiked. She stated in her email that I was unprofessional in the Teams call. I chose to ignore all personal remarks and have only answered her relating to the work issue, again with HR copied in.

The trouble is, I'm now suffering from PTSD flashbacks. Being told I'm abusive, a bully, aggressive, at fault...these are all things that were shouted at me, without my being able to answer back. As it wouldn't be professional to answer my colleague back either, I am experiencing similar trauma of being trapped without a voice.

My question is, AIBU to make a formal complaint especially as this would be my word against hers? The tone of emails is bad but probably not enough to prove her manner over Teams. She has been working with us since June and I'm not the only one she's done this with

The reason I'm hesitating is, am I blowing things out of proportion due to my own trauma? I'm sure lots of people have misunderstandings. Or am I making excuses for her unprofessional behaviour towards me, and once again shifting this blame onto myself?

What would you do?

(Please try and be kind because I'm not in a good place atm)

OP posts:
SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 10:07

ItTook9Years · 18/10/2024 09:59

Also worth pointing out that HR are not the organisational police. Coping us into emails won’t achieve anything.

It was an HR issue that was being addressed - that's why HR were copied in originally, so they'd be aware of the situation

Just to clarify, they were subsequently copied in for both information, and so they knew the tone of my emails, in case I was inadvertently aggressive or demeaning in any way. My emails were factual and I did not comment on the Teams meeting at all because I felt it would simply poke the bear

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SunnyDaySummer · 18/10/2024 10:04

Good luck OP. She sounds like a nightmare, possibly just a hothead but it could be more sinister as it sounds like she was performing for an audience (colleagues sitting near her?)
Definitely don’t have another call unless it is recorded or you have another person on.
You did the right thing contacting HR and you can now (try to) relax.

TeamPlaying · 18/10/2024 10:01

You are not blowing it out of proportion to consider raising a complaint against her. She has acted in an unprofessional and unpleasant way and you have every right to complain formally. I also agree that if you do need to talk to her on teams you should record those calls.

Your PTSD is reacting disproportionately and causing you to be ill in a way that someone without PTSD would not be. But just because your reaction is (understandably) disproportionate, that doesn’t mean that her actions are ok, they’re not.

ItTook9Years · 18/10/2024 09:59

Also worth pointing out that HR are not the organisational police. Coping us into emails won’t achieve anything.

muggletops · 18/10/2024 09:56

That's why I'm asking if I should report it. Is this being blown out of proportion by me, or if someone acted that way towards you - without trauma - would you make a complaint or let it go?
I'm so sorry to hear you have had to take a day off OP for this reason. I haven't suffered any major trauma in my life and i certainly would not tolerate this unprofessional and downright rude person. I would definitely put a complaint into HR. It seems you are not the only person and before too long, hopefully, they will be shown the door. Is this person new, do you have a probation period policy at your workplace? If so, I doubt she will make it. Good luck and, WWIW, I use rescue remedy at work when I am starting to feel a bit anxious (peri-menopausal!), calms me down (but obviously no remedy for PTSD).

Frenchvocab · 18/10/2024 09:56

@SkylarkKitten Yes regardless of this issue it’s important to ask for help if you are having flashbacks that get in the way of life, i’m there myself and in the process after referral.

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 09:56

Stressedpatches · 18/10/2024 09:22

I’ve requested my post was withdrawn because I felt like such a twit! Again, sorry @SkylarkKitten for not reading things properly x

Please don't feel like that xx
I honestly didn't take offence - tbh my own family didn't understand PTSD as they believed it was something only soldiers experienced

Huge hugs - you're not a twit xx

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Frenchvocab · 18/10/2024 09:53

Reugny · 18/10/2024 09:34

Huh?

Huh, what’s the issue?

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 09:53

I completed a course of Talking Therapies CBT in June, which I found very useful. However, it was dealing with my disability (due to the spinal fracture) and adjusting to life. We did cover the abuse, but not in the way you're recommending, as it was focusing on my isolation and restrictions on what I can now do. I am on morphine to deal with the constant pain, so the CBT was really disability focused.

My previous abuse counselling was to do with recognising patterns of abuse so if/when I had a new relationship, I wouldn't make the same mistakes by going for the same personality types.

So I haven't really done the kind of therapy you've suggested as I think my individual counsellors were dealing with other pressing issues at the time, so I could function emotionally.

I also think, as I've become more stable in my new relationship, certain traumas are resurfacing, as if my brain knows I'm in a safe space so I can now face them

Not sure if I'm making sense....

Re. Work. Without my making a formal complaint, this incident has been noted. I'm not going to take it further, but will record or request someone else to be present if I'm ever in a meeting with her. Due to my disability I WFH full time, so there is never any danger of bumping into her

I suspect this lady has a default response of fight when posed with a situation she doesn't like. I don't think that works in our environment, so sooner or later this will come to a head. I'll protect myself by avoiding direct confrontation. I don't work with her, so it won't be too hard to do

Thank you to everyone for your kind, honest opinions. I really appreciate it

I also think I still have unresolved issues I need to try and control/understand because I can't keep living with flashbacks. I'm not trapped anymore, so I need to convince my inner self of my current safety xx

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ItTook9Years · 18/10/2024 09:51

Aibusadandhormonal · 18/10/2024 09:09

Take the time off to recuperate.

Report everything to HR.

I would also state at the start of all Teams calls that you will be recording every meeting with her. Matter of fact. There are no work meetings that cannot be recorded in my company except those with HR.

where on earth do you get this from? It’s absolutely not true. My current employer has blocked the ability to record any meeting without express permission from our compliance team because of the nature of the business.

easylikeasundaymorn · 18/10/2024 09:50

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 08:10

I've suffered flashbacks, I've been unable to sleep as I keep going back to the way I was trapped with my Ex, I'm crying constantly even though my logical brain is telling me to let it go. I'm reliving a different incident over and over again, triggered by this event.

Unless you've suffered trauma of abuse yourself, you cannot understand the impact it can have on a person's brain. Despite the counselling, it's embedded and extremely hard to deal with when triggered

PTSD is what my professional counsellor termed it as. I don't use the term lightly.

That's why I'm asking if I should report it. Is this being blown out of proportion by me, or if someone acted that way towards you - without trauma - would you make a complaint or let it go?

Edited

It's a mix
Honestly yes I imagine the vast majority of people without your trauma would just let it go, possibly mention it to hr and their manager as you have but wouldn't escalate it to a grievance.

But that doesn't mean that your response is blowing it out of proportion. Your response is valid.

Even if the majority of people that she might speak to in the way she spoke to you wouldn't be affected, some still could. Other staff, customers or stakeholders could all have their own backstory that she doesn't know. She can't carry on just talking to people like that.

The fact that so many other people have already had issues with her in such a short space of time indicates she's not the most professional.

A pp said they won't get rid of her just because of being rude on one teams call which usually maybe not but shes within the 2 year period where she can be let go with minimal reasons and already has a history of arguing and being rude to people - hr might be delighted to have another reason to get rid. Regardless that isn't your issue, all you can decide is whether to escalate it or not. Grievance procedures can be stressful - maybe think about what the best outcome for you would be and how to achieve it - not what would be the most punishing for her. E.g. if you can talk to your manager and agree no direct contact between her and you would that be a better resolution than going through an extended grievance procedure, likely finding no fault to answer or just a warning for her and then having to keep working with her being even more annoyed at you?

daisychain01 · 18/10/2024 09:41

@SkylarkKitten so sorry you've been subjected to such appalling treatment by this dreadful colleague. My heart goes out to you, especially as it triggered your past abuse.

there has been many a time I've been interrupted and if I'm honest, with MS teams sometimes flakey and distorted, I may have unintentionally interrupted someone or accidentally "talked over them". It happened to me just yesterday (the sound quality was dreadful). The normal professional way of handling it is to quickly say "oops sorry if I talked over you there". Not shout and cut into someone and make them feel small.

So your colleague was completely out of order getting aggressive and belligerent with you, you must have been mortified.

I had a very similar altercation a few months ago when a very arrogant and misogynistic male colleague cut into me and told me to shut up, and that I didn't have a clue what I was talking about. Given that the point I was making was my specialism with a Post Grad to my name he was completely unjustified. He just looked like a complete dick, but the impact on me at the time was devastating.

The following day, I sent him an email marked Private and Confidential, in which I told him it was completely unacceptable to have been treated like that. I was also very specific how it made me feel (traumatised, belittled and humiliated in front of other colleagues). It was hard to put into words what a negative impact it had on me, I was literally shaking with the shock. It was cathartic to directly call them out on their bad behaviour, without having to face them in person.

He never ever mentioned my email, or the incident, nor has he ever apologised- I just think even less of him for that, what a coward to not even acknowledge his wrongdoing. The reality for me is that I took back the power and control, he knew I'd "marked his card" and it was a red card, one strike and he'd be out. His behaviour changed instantly. That was really all I needed, for him to not treat me disrespectfully ever again. Anything else wasn't really important, an apology would have meant nothing anyway, so I didn't hold out hope.

In short, taking it to HR won't really change anything. Addressing the matter directly with the perpetrator, is more empowering and satisfying, it challenges the person head-on and it basically tells them that you won't put up with them. That threat alone can very often be what it takes to stop them in their tracks.

Cosyblankets · 18/10/2024 09:40

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 08:02

I spoke to HR immediately, and WhatsApp'd my line manager about it when he'd messaged about something else. He confirmed other people have refused to work with her and he's already had to have words with her

Both HR and my line manager were/are supportive

Edited

This was unprofessional of your manager

Coalsy · 18/10/2024 09:35

Her behaviour is completely unacceptable.
The impact on you is huge.
I think you contact your manager and HR and ask them what they are going to do to protect you from her abusive behaviour and her false accusations.
In your place I would refuse to have any contact with her unless a 3rd party are there and everything is recorded.
You are entitled to a safe working environment and she makes you feel unsafe.

Contact ACAS today for advice.

Reugny · 18/10/2024 09:34

Frenchvocab · 18/10/2024 09:30

How do you usually deal with your PTSD? Are you on meds?

Huh?

Reugny · 18/10/2024 09:34

WhatsApp'd my line manager about it when he'd messaged about something else. He confirmed other people have refused to work with her and he's already had to have words with her

Your manager was giving you a hint that other people in your organisation find her behaviour so unacceptable they cannot work with her, so you need to refuse to work with her as well.

If you go to OH and then put in a grievance state clearly that you think the best thing is you don't work with her. Make it very clear that you had no issues before with any of your colleagues.

Frenchvocab · 18/10/2024 09:30

How do you usually deal with your PTSD? Are you on meds?

Cantgetausername87 · 18/10/2024 09:24

I mean if HR are having to copied in to emails between you I would be raising a formal grievance too. What are HR doing apart from monitoring the emails anyway? What a strange situation to be in I hope it resolves itself soon

Stressedpatches · 18/10/2024 09:22

I’ve requested my post was withdrawn because I felt like such a twit! Again, sorry @SkylarkKitten for not reading things properly x

AreYouShittingMe · 18/10/2024 09:16

Along with discussing the issues at work, please seek more therapy for PTSD. To stop the flashbacks the memory needs to be 'reprocessed' which isn't always done in counselling. Trauma focussed CBT or EMDR are the most effective therapies for this, both available in your local Talking Therapies service if you are in England or Wales.
Until the memory is reprocessed properly, there is always the risk of flashbacks reoccurring in 'matching trigger' situations, which is what sounds like has happened.
Sorry you are dealing with this.

RandomMess · 18/10/2024 09:16

Ask for a referral to OH, 2 pronged approach.

Their behaviour isn't ok, you have long term PTSD.

GP appointment and ask for a referral.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 18/10/2024 09:13

ParliamentofBadgers · 18/10/2024 08:15

Before you put in a grievance, you need to decide what you want to achieve by doing so - what do you want the outcome of the grievance to be? Be honest with yourself about that and ask yourself if it’s realistic, and how you will feel if you don’t get that. I’m not discouraging you, sounds like grievance territory, but I’d definitely think about those points first.

This is sound advice.

I think you should formalise it due to the harm that's been impacted on you but be clear about the strategy and what you want the outcome to be.

Aibusadandhormonal · 18/10/2024 09:09

Take the time off to recuperate.

Report everything to HR.

I would also state at the start of all Teams calls that you will be recording every meeting with her. Matter of fact. There are no work meetings that cannot be recorded in my company except those with HR.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 18/10/2024 09:03

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 08:10

I've suffered flashbacks, I've been unable to sleep as I keep going back to the way I was trapped with my Ex, I'm crying constantly even though my logical brain is telling me to let it go. I'm reliving a different incident over and over again, triggered by this event.

Unless you've suffered trauma of abuse yourself, you cannot understand the impact it can have on a person's brain. Despite the counselling, it's embedded and extremely hard to deal with when triggered

PTSD is what my professional counsellor termed it as. I don't use the term lightly.

That's why I'm asking if I should report it. Is this being blown out of proportion by me, or if someone acted that way towards you - without trauma - would you make a complaint or let it go?

Edited

Tbh even without your trauma this is not acceptable. It would cause me anxiety as well, so I would definitely report it. Sounds like you’re not the only one and she needs to be managed properly as she can’t go around treating others that way.

turkeyboots · 18/10/2024 09:02

Please make a formal complaint. I have a similar issue at work, but no one will step forward with a formal complaint which really ties my hands as a manager. Your colleagues will be grateful for your bravery, as you won't be the only one getting this treatment.