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Work Issue - Should I make a formal complaint?

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SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 07:50

Bit of background. I was in an emotionally (occasionally physically) abusive relationship for years, and finally ended it after he assaulted me, causing me to fracture my spine. I had counselling for trauma and managed to break the cycle and subsequently met an extremely loving partner.

Roll forwards. I've been at my company for 20 years. Never had any issues whatsoever. This week, I had a Teams call with a colleague. She was extremely agitated and started the conversation with, 'Let me FINISH. I'm speaking' So I kept quiet and listened. After she'd finished, I started my explanation and was barely 3 sentences in when she said 'You're being very aggressive. You're being very accusatory. I don't like your tone of voice and I'm ending this now! and she disconnected the meeting.

I immediately called HR and explained what happened. HR had already been included in the emails relating to the original issue. HR was very understanding and lovely.

However, each time I've received an email from this woman since then, my anxiety has spiked. She stated in her email that I was unprofessional in the Teams call. I chose to ignore all personal remarks and have only answered her relating to the work issue, again with HR copied in.

The trouble is, I'm now suffering from PTSD flashbacks. Being told I'm abusive, a bully, aggressive, at fault...these are all things that were shouted at me, without my being able to answer back. As it wouldn't be professional to answer my colleague back either, I am experiencing similar trauma of being trapped without a voice.

My question is, AIBU to make a formal complaint especially as this would be my word against hers? The tone of emails is bad but probably not enough to prove her manner over Teams. She has been working with us since June and I'm not the only one she's done this with

The reason I'm hesitating is, am I blowing things out of proportion due to my own trauma? I'm sure lots of people have misunderstandings. Or am I making excuses for her unprofessional behaviour towards me, and once again shifting this blame onto myself?

What would you do?

(Please try and be kind because I'm not in a good place atm)

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Clarinet1 · 19/10/2024 10:09

PS - If you need to discuss this further with HR or your line manager you could start by pointing out that the colleague’s terminating the call meant that the issue you were supposed to be discussing did not get dealt with therefore she is impeding progress and effectiveness.

Edited for typos!

Clarinet1 · 19/10/2024 09:51

I am so sorry to hear about your past trauma and that you now have this awful colleague. I’ve had some bosses and colleagues from hell over the years myself.
It sounds to me as though, PTSD or no PTSD, you were perfectly justified in being very distressed by her behaviour and she behaved unprofessionally and was totally out of order.
If you have been told that several other people have already refused to work with her it wouldn’t be surprising if she failed her probation if she’s still on that or got dismissed under the two year rule.
However it is good that HR and your manager seem supportive and definitely start the griveance procedure

Strangerthanfictions · 19/10/2024 09:17

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 10:51

Thank you so much - your supportive words really resonate and I think you're right. My gut instinct tells me, regardless of my background, her behaviour was wrong.

I understand she got news she wasn't happy with, but I feel she was shooting the messenger. I don't know her background triggers but her reaction clashed with mine in a way that has caused me (unwitting) harm

I'll take today and the weekend to reset myself and think through my own reactions. All I need to keep reiterating to myself is that I am safe. I am not an aggressor. I am not mental! I am not always wrong, which is all, sadly how I've been triggered to feel about myself (no fault of hers, as she wasn't to know)

I guess I'm feeling like I'll never be free of my Ex's clutches if I'm reacting like this over an unintentional attack

But I also shouldn't be justifying her behaviour by blaming my own reaction either

Anyway, reset day and onwards and upwards!

This is such a healthy approach. Take responsibility for your parts and deal with them but hand her parts right back to her because they don't belong to you and are not yours to accept. Trauma healing is a journey OP, remember just as we learned behaviours and patterns in response to abuse and ill treatment we can also unlearn them and learn healthy behaviours in response to nurture, care, reflection and respect and you don't need anyone else to give you those, you can give them to yourself.

SkylarkKitten · 19/10/2024 09:01

ladycardamom · 19/10/2024 05:05

Are you still seeing the counsellor? I would concentrate on myself first and get the anxiety and PTSD symptoms under control. Even if you make a complaint that won't help your symptoms. It might make them even worse.

My CBT course ended in June this year, and I've been doing amazingly well coping with my spinal disability.

I'm in a loving relationship, and I've removed myself from toxic people, I've not experienced flashbacks, so I believed everything was under control.

The trigger with this lady was her instant domineering stance, cutting me off and most of all, calling me aggressive when I'd barely said anything. Logic told me there was no point in responding, because the situation would be blown out of control and then I'd be just as much to blame.

However, this logical action silenced my inner voice that told me it wasn't true. Someone was stating incorrect actions about me and I couldn't defend myself.

It's a rare situation to be in, and one I'd not usually put myself in. The ability to walk away and be safe is what I've been counselled to do. My request to avoid her is simply following the advice that I've been given so this doesn't occur again

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ladycardamom · 19/10/2024 05:05

Are you still seeing the counsellor? I would concentrate on myself first and get the anxiety and PTSD symptoms under control. Even if you make a complaint that won't help your symptoms. It might make them even worse.

daisychain01 · 19/10/2024 04:00

@SkylarkKitten in a situation like this, consider the wise words of Maya Angelou and apply them to this bullying colleague. She was playing a power game with you and silencing your voice:

People will forget what you said
People will forget what you did
but people will never forget how you made them feel

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 23:10

CeruleanBelt · 18/10/2024 20:18

I think you're definitely right to seek support op. It's no good wondering about how a person without ptsd would feel in your shoes because you're a person with ptsd and you're not weak or silly for having a different reaction than someone without ptsd would have. I suspect your ptsd would qualify you as disabled under the relevant workplace legislation so i would ask to be referred to occupational health.

I would also really, strongly encourage you to seek some trauma based therapy such as EMDR. I had ptsd and it was like walking around with my nerves exposed and people might trigger me at any moment - it was hell on earth living with ptsd. EMDR has made it manageable - I'll never be completely cured, but they are just thoughts and memories now instead of all encompassing flashbacks where i was back in the moment. It's hard to do emdr but it's harder still to live with ptsd.

I have never heard of EMDR but I will certainly look it up to see a counsellor to support that kind of therapy/treatment. I'm sorry that you've been through it too, and glad to hear that you're at the other end of the tunnel xx

My day off has calmed me.

I believe the best solution for me is to formally request that I do not have further encounters with her, with or without anyone mediating.

Being accused of aggression is not something I take lightly, given my past experience. Some people may be able to ignore her, make excuses for her, reason with her, or accept her. I can do none of those things.

I cannot put myself in a situation with someone who's default is combative. It might be the way she is. It's just not the kind of person I wish to be dealing with and in any other situation I'd remove myself from such person.

I have a Duty of Care towards myself that comes above any employment requirements. I am pretty certain, given that my employers supported me through the worst of days, that they will accept this request, and see it as a last resort from me.

20 years of experience, dealing with all kinds of people without ever having issues v 1 employee, there for 4 months, who has already alienated herself from at least 3 other members of staff

I don't think I'll have any issues with my request, and even if they do, they'll have to respect it because I'm not changing my mind.

Love and thanks to everyone's replies. You've all been amazingly helpful and supportive ❤️

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CeruleanBelt · 18/10/2024 20:18

I think you're definitely right to seek support op. It's no good wondering about how a person without ptsd would feel in your shoes because you're a person with ptsd and you're not weak or silly for having a different reaction than someone without ptsd would have. I suspect your ptsd would qualify you as disabled under the relevant workplace legislation so i would ask to be referred to occupational health.

I would also really, strongly encourage you to seek some trauma based therapy such as EMDR. I had ptsd and it was like walking around with my nerves exposed and people might trigger me at any moment - it was hell on earth living with ptsd. EMDR has made it manageable - I'll never be completely cured, but they are just thoughts and memories now instead of all encompassing flashbacks where i was back in the moment. It's hard to do emdr but it's harder still to live with ptsd.

SilverChampagne · 18/10/2024 20:05

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 08:02

I spoke to HR immediately, and WhatsApp'd my line manager about it when he'd messaged about something else. He confirmed other people have refused to work with her and he's already had to have words with her

Both HR and my line manager were/are supportive

Edited

Then, yes, make an official complaint.
Best of luck, she sounds like a godawful nightmare.

itsgettingweird · 18/10/2024 20:02

Can you record the calls and then you have evidence of each of your tones. When a grievance is put in HR then can make their own minds up.

I'd suggest colleagues do this too.

Obviously you need her permission but sell it as you want to record it so you can work on your communication with her as it obviously bothers her.

But no - I don't think you're doing anything wrong. And I'm so sorry this is bringing back memories - she's the one who sounds like a bully.

downwindofyou · 18/10/2024 16:33

Timeforaglassofwine · 18/10/2024 08:07

No it isn't @Stressedpatches .
Put a grievance in and ask for mediation. She doesn't know your background and you don't know her's, so whilst we are a assuming she's a drama queen, she could well be struggling with her own issues, and might have found the meeting just as triggering.

She may have issues but that isn't an excuse for upsetting everyone which she sounds like she is doing.

Accusing people and hanging up on them is not professional.

BobbyBiscuits · 18/10/2024 12:25

Absolutely do complain. A women at my work bullied me so badly it was giving me PTSD flashbacks of being horribly abused by an ex. I was too scared to say anything as I thought she gets me sacked. Finally she was disciplined after the HR lady overheard her screaming at me again for no reason. Please don't delay. Complain now and they will almost certainly have to keep her away from you at the very least.

purplebeansprouts · 18/10/2024 12:24

Without being there it's difficult to say if your actions could have been aggressive. So I'd say to your manager look things are a bit heated so you want a 3rd person on the calls or you want permission to record it.

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 12:18

ThinWomansBrain · 18/10/2024 11:37

I understand that you are upset, and possibly not able to see things rationally, but why would anyone start a conversation with, 'Let me FINISH. I'm speaking'?

I'm not picking holes - just suggesting that if your complaint is as factual and without nuance as it can be, you're likely to get further with it.

I started by saying 'Hello... So let me open the email and explain the time line to you....'

That's when she said 'Let me talk. Let me finish.'

I haven't really left anything out in my explanation except my opening hello

As you may be able to tell from my posts, my default response is to blame myself and feel like I'm wrong. In this instance my logical brain is telling me there was nothing I did or said that triggered her response and neither did I have the opportunity to say anything aggressive or accusatory because I was only allowed 3 sentences before she ended the call

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Bearbookagainandagain · 18/10/2024 12:04

ItTook9Years · 18/10/2024 11:29

Yes! HR teams around the country are literally spinning in their chairs waiting for tasks like this. Not only do we have no actual HR work to do, but we live overstepping all boundaries like this. 👏

[/sarcasm]

We don’t join operational meetings as referees. Managers are paid to manage. If anyone needs to sit in, it should be them. Mediation is a specific thing.

We are not the organisational police, nor are we judges.

I'm not sure why my polite message deserved such a degree sarcasm, it was only a suggestion. I am sorry you are having a bad day.
But I agree, we have had shit HR teams before too. Critical and useless.

Luckily we now have great HR support that will indeed join meetings for mediation if they think there is a need. They don't do it all the time, but for someone with additional needs due to a health condition they probably would.

Since OP mentioned HR has been helpful and supportive so far, I was hoping she could have similar support.

And as OP herself pointed out to you, this was not an operational meeting. It was HR related.

ThinWomansBrain · 18/10/2024 11:37

I understand that you are upset, and possibly not able to see things rationally, but why would anyone start a conversation with, 'Let me FINISH. I'm speaking'?

I'm not picking holes - just suggesting that if your complaint is as factual and without nuance as it can be, you're likely to get further with it.

ItTook9Years · 18/10/2024 11:29

Bearbookagainandagain · 18/10/2024 11:21

Going against the flow here, but I wouldn't put a grievance against your coworker. If you think the main cause of your reaction/feelings is PTSD, then I think it is a "you" issue.

I am in no way saying that what she is doing is right and shouldn't be addressed. And I would absolutely recommend that you speak to HR, but I would place it as "I need support with that situation because of X affecting me".
Ideally they would then join the calls with the colleague as mediation, and it will resolve your problem by either putting a stop to her behaviours, or she will continue in front of them and they will be able to judge whether she is unreasonable or not.

Yes! HR teams around the country are literally spinning in their chairs waiting for tasks like this. Not only do we have no actual HR work to do, but we live overstepping all boundaries like this. 👏

[/sarcasm]

We don’t join operational meetings as referees. Managers are paid to manage. If anyone needs to sit in, it should be them. Mediation is a specific thing.

We are not the organisational police, nor are we judges.

Bearbookagainandagain · 18/10/2024 11:21

Going against the flow here, but I wouldn't put a grievance against your coworker. If you think the main cause of your reaction/feelings is PTSD, then I think it is a "you" issue.

I am in no way saying that what she is doing is right and shouldn't be addressed. And I would absolutely recommend that you speak to HR, but I would place it as "I need support with that situation because of X affecting me".
Ideally they would then join the calls with the colleague as mediation, and it will resolve your problem by either putting a stop to her behaviours, or she will continue in front of them and they will be able to judge whether she is unreasonable or not.

FatNSassy · 18/10/2024 11:19

Put a formal complaint in about the person's behaviour.

But if you do have to have any further Teams calls with her, have you phone next to you and record the conversation too.

Frenchvocab · 18/10/2024 11:12

All the best Flowers

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 10:51

Strangerthanfictions · 18/10/2024 10:29

It's great to have this external validation OP but you should trust your internal sense, you've come through so much and been responsible and resilient about working on yourself and your choices, your sense here is she's wronged you, other people's thoughts support this but do this for yourself and the strong person with a voice you've become. It doesn't matter if the grievance is upheld or proven or whatever, what matters here is your self worth and your instincts to defend yourself and speak out, it's still a journey and takes time to have confidence with our new skills as we heal from trauma and discover our strengths but yours is bursting to get out here I think, you CAN do this and you DO deserve to call her out and NOT accept her poor treatment

Thank you so much - your supportive words really resonate and I think you're right. My gut instinct tells me, regardless of my background, her behaviour was wrong.

I understand she got news she wasn't happy with, but I feel she was shooting the messenger. I don't know her background triggers but her reaction clashed with mine in a way that has caused me (unwitting) harm

I'll take today and the weekend to reset myself and think through my own reactions. All I need to keep reiterating to myself is that I am safe. I am not an aggressor. I am not mental! I am not always wrong, which is all, sadly how I've been triggered to feel about myself (no fault of hers, as she wasn't to know)

I guess I'm feeling like I'll never be free of my Ex's clutches if I'm reacting like this over an unintentional attack

But I also shouldn't be justifying her behaviour by blaming my own reaction either

Anyway, reset day and onwards and upwards!

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ItTook9Years · 18/10/2024 10:46

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 10:07

It was an HR issue that was being addressed - that's why HR were copied in originally, so they'd be aware of the situation

Just to clarify, they were subsequently copied in for both information, and so they knew the tone of my emails, in case I was inadvertently aggressive or demeaning in any way. My emails were factual and I did not comment on the Teams meeting at all because I felt it would simply poke the bear

Unless there’s a complaint being investigated, HR can’t do anything with those emails. And it wouldn’t be them deciding what was reasonable and what wasn’t.

Strangerthanfictions · 18/10/2024 10:29

SkylarkKitten · 18/10/2024 08:02

I spoke to HR immediately, and WhatsApp'd my line manager about it when he'd messaged about something else. He confirmed other people have refused to work with her and he's already had to have words with her

Both HR and my line manager were/are supportive

Edited

It's great to have this external validation OP but you should trust your internal sense, you've come through so much and been responsible and resilient about working on yourself and your choices, your sense here is she's wronged you, other people's thoughts support this but do this for yourself and the strong person with a voice you've become. It doesn't matter if the grievance is upheld or proven or whatever, what matters here is your self worth and your instincts to defend yourself and speak out, it's still a journey and takes time to have confidence with our new skills as we heal from trauma and discover our strengths but yours is bursting to get out here I think, you CAN do this and you DO deserve to call her out and NOT accept her poor treatment

Wolfhat · 18/10/2024 10:23

Very hard to answer without seeing the tone of the emails. Your 20 years experience should count but I would approach this cautiously. if the emails are clearly out of line, yes raise it now. If they are just sharp and you have no other evidence, she may well be given the benefit of the doubt. If you can have someone independent read them, do.

If it were me I would keep all email communications, continually responding only about work issues in a calm manner. I would record any and all future teams calls with her so if she behaves that way again there is evidence.

Who is your line manager and are they good? Rather than make it a HR issue, say you are struggling with their communication style and ask for advice on how to handle it. In my company words would be had which can be effective

Aibusadandhormonal · 18/10/2024 10:16

ItTook9Years · 18/10/2024 09:51

where on earth do you get this from? It’s absolutely not true. My current employer has blocked the ability to record any meeting without express permission from our compliance team because of the nature of the business.

I said I my company. In my company, as long as you get the permission of those taking part then we can record everything. But we can't share externally. And Teams tells you by continuing you are giving agreement.

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