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Psychiatrist asked me to leave the room for 10 Minutes to talk to Dd

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Nomoreicecreamnow · 17/10/2024 22:33

Dd is 6 and over the summer developed anger and ocd after being ill. I’ve taken her to numerous Drs and they advised a child psychiatrist. I took her to a really nice lady and we had a very thorough two hour appointment. Towards the end, she asked if I minded stepping into the waiting room for her to chat to her alone, I felt a bit strange about it, but did it.
I’m just curious if this is normal procedure and what she would have asked Dd, I haven’t asked Dd as don’t want her stressed out
Dr and Dd seemed fine when I came back in and carried on as usual.

OP posts:
Lougle · 18/10/2024 07:15

Neurodiversitydoctor · 18/10/2024 05:15

This is mad, your Dd is 17 she needs to be seen alone, why are you speaking for her ? To me this is far more worrying than whether a 6 yo is seen alone or not ( I start seeing children alone from around 10, I am not perscriptive about it, but by 17 I would expect the parent waited outside).

This is not mad. This is a person who wouldn't speak to unfamiliar people at all a couple of years ago, and is making a fantastic recovery on her own terms. She doesn't want to speak to the psychiatrist on her own, so she doesn't.

Just because he wants to speak to her alone, doesn't mean he has a right to. It's her decision.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 18/10/2024 07:14

My daughter started seeing her therapist at CAMHS when she was 11 (just mentioning CAMHS because this is my only experience of child-focused therapy). She wasn't alone with the therapist until she was ready to be (a year in!).

Did the therapist ask your DD if she was comfortable with you leaving the room?
It takes time for a child to establish trust in an adult, more than two hours, regardless of the lanyards and letters after that adult's name.
That's my biggest issue. Everyone rushes children to trust the 'professional'. Adults are intimidating and not easy to talk to.
I think the psychiatrist jumped the gun and should have seen your DD alongside you until your DD told you, her mother, that she is ready to do her sessions alone.

CrazyGoatLady · 18/10/2024 07:06

Fizbosshoes · 18/10/2024 07:01

I saw a psychiatrist (alone) when I was a teenager. Almost the moment the sessions started he asked if I had been sexually abused by anyone in my family. (I havent) I found it really upsetting - but also quite weird that there weren't "easier" questions to start, to build up to that IYSWIM

Yeah, they really shouldn't be approaching it like that! Not all psychiatrists are good at relationship building 😬

MassiveSalad22 · 18/10/2024 07:05

Surely the psychiatrist themselves should have wanted a chaperone too, to cover their own backs. I always thought that’s why the GP gets a chaperone in whenever they do.

I would probably have felt awkward and then realised I should have asked for a chaperone after the fact. I hope I would ask at the time, but probably would be too flustered.

Fizbosshoes · 18/10/2024 07:01

I saw a psychiatrist (alone) when I was a teenager. Almost the moment the sessions started he asked if I had been sexually abused by anyone in my family. (I havent) I found it really upsetting - but also quite weird that there weren't "easier" questions to start, to build up to that IYSWIM

Scirocco · 18/10/2024 06:54

BabyCloud · 17/10/2024 22:38

I wouldn’t have felt comfortable. 6 is so young. I can’t imagine a doctor would ever ask you to leave the room so why should a physiatrist be any different.

A psychiatrist is a doctor.

CrazyGoatLady · 18/10/2024 06:54

Candaceowens · 18/10/2024 05:51

Not a chance I'd consent to that. I wouldn't trust any stranger alone with my child, regardless of their profession. We've seen enough awful people working in healthcare on the news in the last couple of years to make me even more sure of that decision.

9/10 times when the parent refused to leave, they were a significant part of the problem that had brought the child to psychology, or they were afraid the child would disclose something they didn't want us to know. Just saying.

Children are more likely to be harmed by people they already know and trust than strangers.

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 18/10/2024 06:50

Nomoreicecreamnow · 17/10/2024 22:46

@Lougle Yes, Dd was ok with it and I was close by, but yes if she didn’t want to, I’d support her in that too. I honestly wonder though if it was a male how I’d feel leaving Dd so young

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ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 18/10/2024 06:47

Guavafish1 · 17/10/2024 22:36

should be a chaperone too

No, not necessarily in such situations

DrRiverSong · 18/10/2024 06:35

Createausername1970 · 17/10/2024 22:47

DS saw a counsellor from about 7 onwards and for the first couple of sessions I went in with him to allow him to settle, then I left the room after about 10 minutes or so. After the first few sessions I just went in for the last 5 minutes or so for a quick handover. Even at that age, there was a degree of confidentiality.

This was my experience with my son and his counsellor when he was 9. He made so much progress once I left. He needed that safe relationship away from me and to have someone to talk to. I guess in the first few sessions I built a relationship too.

Zanatdy · 18/10/2024 06:29

It’s fine. My DD (16) has been unwell for a few years, they are doing a referral but asked if she can come alone. I felt a bit annoyed at this, wondering what they were suggesting but realised it’s pretty normal. At 6 it seems young, but some children are abused and obviously kids won’t speak out in front of parents.

Imfreetofeelgood · 18/10/2024 06:10

OrangeCarrot · 17/10/2024 23:04

Very normal. Questions they may ask can be about thoughts of violence or aggression towards themselves, others or if they feel unsafe at all.

Basically they ask things that a child may not want to be open about in front of their parent.

I’m interested to hear you would have not allowed it if it was a male. Are you insinuating that you think a male psychiatrist may harm your child while a female one would not?

Lets not ignore the fact that the majority of perpetrators are male.

Obsessedwithlamps · 18/10/2024 06:05

I would see it as a red flag if a parent didn’t want to leave a child alone in this situation. If you are worried about it, then maybe ask for 2 people to be in the room while you go outside.

Sausagefestmum · 18/10/2024 06:01

so glad pp have mentioned Pans/pandas as this illness frankly ruined 2yrs of my dd life whilst the NHS ( who I do love and appreciate) insisted it was a purely MH issue rather than listening properly to our concerns and requests for consideration re Pans/pandas. After numerous crisis incidents, frequent inpatient stays, antidepressants and propranolol prescribed to an 8yr old and extensive SS intervention from CWD team we took out a credit card and paid privately for a second opinion.

She was diagnosed promptly and started treatment. It was a long road back to full health but we saw immediate benefits in treatment. I’m not sure I’ll ever fully recover from it frankly it was traumatising for her and us alike so I’m glad you’re getting support and consideration early on :)

Candaceowens · 18/10/2024 05:51

Not a chance I'd consent to that. I wouldn't trust any stranger alone with my child, regardless of their profession. We've seen enough awful people working in healthcare on the news in the last couple of years to make me even more sure of that decision.

Harassedmum123 · 18/10/2024 05:51

@Nomoreicecreamnow my dd has recently started seeing a psychotherapist (she is 11 though) and for exactly the same reasons as your dd. Her first session I stayed with her the full hour but at the end of the session I was asked if she could attend all remaining sessions by herself. I was ok with this as I think she’ll get more out of my dd if I’m not there but yes, from a safeguarding perspective I think that would be the reason she asked to speak to her by herself for ten minutes.

fizzandchips · 18/10/2024 05:36

You mentioned the issues started after your child had been ill. Did the illness require antibiotics? If so please introduce prebiotics and ways to increase good bacteria in her gut as the antibiotic use could be partly responsible for her behaviour change.

AmberAlert86 · 18/10/2024 05:17

Of course it's normal, I would be comfortable with female or male doctor

Neurodiversitydoctor · 18/10/2024 05:15

Lougle · 17/10/2024 22:44

You can say no. DD2 (17) has a psychiatrist and he always asks to speak to her alone. She always shakes her head and I have to say "DD2 isn't comfortable with that". Every time, he comes up with a different way of slipping it into the introductions, and every time DD2 refuses.

It's his job to ask, and it's my job to respect DD2's wishes and refuse.

This is mad, your Dd is 17 she needs to be seen alone, why are you speaking for her ? To me this is far more worrying than whether a 6 yo is seen alone or not ( I start seeing children alone from around 10, I am not perscriptive about it, but by 17 I would expect the parent waited outside).

Chenecinquantecinq · 18/10/2024 05:08

It’s a psych appointment of course they’re going to explore issues without you there as your child may not be comfortable saying things in front of you (or at least in some cases this may be true and they need to explore this). Or I’d imagine in some cases the parent(s) may be part of the problem hence confidential chats required. Psychiatrists are Doctors it’s not as though it’s a random therapist with six months training and possibly minimal checks you’re leaving your child alone with.

Happyinarcon · 18/10/2024 04:33

Try your kid on some probiotics. I had some gut issues recently and my anxiety went through the roof. I had read vaguely about there being a connection but wouldn’t have believed it until I experienced it

Wallywobbles · 18/10/2024 04:16

My kids saw several at this age. It was so hard finding one they'd talk to. Always saw the person alone for the majority of the appointment.

anon4net · 18/10/2024 03:05

I wanted to echo to please look into PANDAS.

Witchcraftandhokum · 18/10/2024 02:45

safeguarding in schools, sports, hobby activities etc tell adults not to be alone with a single child. Professionals should absolutely be at the same bar

This is simply not true. School staff are frequently alone with a single child.

Manxexile · 18/10/2024 01:14

BabyCloud · 17/10/2024 22:38

I wouldn’t have felt comfortable. 6 is so young. I can’t imagine a doctor would ever ask you to leave the room so why should a physiatrist be any different.

???

Errr - psychiatrists are "doctors"*...

Or at least they are in the UK. (I note the OP has said that they aren't in the UK).

Of course it might be that the OP is confused and has taken their child to a clinical psychologist or other (qualified or unqualified) therapist and not a psychiatrist - or clinical psychologist.

There are very vaild safeguarding reasons why any clinician might want to speak to the child separately from the parent.

*In the UK a clinical psychologist is more likely to have a doctorate qualification than a "medical doctor" - but lets not get into that...