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Think I've blown it with friend

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spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 05:42

So I have a close friendship with a woman I met at school gate must be more than 15 years ago. Posted about this a few weeks ago. Anyway she suddenly just started ghosting me - we used txt every couple of days sometimes every day and as I live in a different country now that's how we've kept
The friendship going. Anyway she's been distant and just not "there" and I've asked her a few times is she ok is everything ok and eventually she said she was busy.

Anyway after another week or more of no contact I txt her tonight and said I'm sorry I have to say something but have I said or done something to offend u. And she replied straight away saying no but that she had decided to detox off her phone so she could do more walks and especially in the evenings she didn't want to be on her phone. I think it's BS one reason being she replied to me straight away so must have had her phone in her hand: something has happened she just won't tell me . She then said I could "check in" on her if I liked. I got so mad. Is she not going to check in on me then? But I can check in on her? I sent a passive aggressive message that I'm not proud of in hindsight saying that I was getting the message and wouldn't bother her any more she knew where I was if she wanted a conversation. And that it was impossible to maintain a friendship without texting.

She never replied.

I know you will all blame me and will land in on me but I just wish she would
Be honest and say what's wrong. Surely you don't throw away a long friendship like that.

Don't be too mean to me. I've a lot of stress atm and am just so sad as I think I've lost her as a friend. We shared so much and I thought I supported her as much as she did me. I can't sleep. I can imagine what you will all say. I wish I said nothing now. But it was too hard for me to say nothing. Anyone any opinions.

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spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:30

Ottersmith · 17/10/2024 08:27

You aren't really taking in people's responses here. You seem to be listing all the things you have done for her as proof that she should stay in touch. I have some really old friends that I barely text with, if they were to get arsy about the level of communication I would be questioning if their friendship is worth it.

When people have a lot going on they don't feel like having to reassure their friends all the time. My best friend in the world lives in another country. Sometimes she doesn't respond for months! I don't mind, I know we don't always have the bandwidth. I'm secure enough in my friendship to know that. There's no chance we would get annoyed at each other over that.

You are saying you aren't too intense year you want to print out your conversation and you are listing all her secrets on here from private conversations. What are you trying to prove?

I'm just trying to explain what kind of friendship it was. I have other friends that I don't talk to for months on end and that's great too . This was different. It's ok I am taking on the responses. Just an adjustment that's all

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mumtotwo11 · 17/10/2024 08:29

Have you made friends in your new location?

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:28

What's upsetting me is she always said she would be there for me when my parents die as I have 2 toxic sisters and am dreading coping with the arrangements and everything and as I'm single and they both have husbands. I was upset once a few years ago when my mother was sick and I confided in her how I didn't know how I was going to cope and she said don't worry you'll have me and I was so grateful and touched really cos she didn't have to do/say that. She has toxic sisters too so we used chat about that a lot as well. I feel like I will have nobody again now as I don't want my kids to be caught up in anything. Probably I sound needy to you but it was 1 conversation a couple of years ago: I was there for her when her dad died

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Ottersmith · 17/10/2024 08:27

You aren't really taking in people's responses here. You seem to be listing all the things you have done for her as proof that she should stay in touch. I have some really old friends that I barely text with, if they were to get arsy about the level of communication I would be questioning if their friendship is worth it.

When people have a lot going on they don't feel like having to reassure their friends all the time. My best friend in the world lives in another country. Sometimes she doesn't respond for months! I don't mind, I know we don't always have the bandwidth. I'm secure enough in my friendship to know that. There's no chance we would get annoyed at each other over that.

You are saying you aren't too intense year you want to print out your conversation and you are listing all her secrets on here from private conversations. What are you trying to prove?

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:17

We kept it going for 4 years. Weirdly I feel she's such a good friend. We shared so much. Her as well. Not just me. I just feel if she had said it to me even rather than blanking me. I know I need to forget it and move on but I keep going to tell her something that happened at work or with the kids and then remember I can't . Obvs she doesn't value the friensbkp as much and that hurts too. I don't feel like I'm
Needy and all the other things some of you have said. I am very cross with myself for sending that last text though. I'd say she won't contact me again whereas she was keeping the door a tiny bit open I feel like it's been closed now due to my own stupidity. She was even texting me about her work colleagues and what should she do in this situation . That was only in August . Seems so sudden and unexpected. Anyway just have to forget about it now I know what you're all saying. It does seem a bit self centered though. Like what about me. She can just call the shots like that and I have to say nothing. Am sad and disappointed

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SassK · 17/10/2024 08:03

WonderingAboutThus · 17/10/2024 07:53

I don't think I would be able to keep up with a long-distance friendship for that amount of time and intensity either, unless we had very specific interests in common that meant a naturally ongoing conversation. Liking the other person only brings you so far in texting each other without sufficient events to replenish the friendship. Not to mention life is exhausting even before the need to text!

I don't think that means she's grey rocking you (as also proven by the fact that she did answer when you were distressed), I think maintaining the texting sounds tedious and not like a positive experience (regardless of how much I'd like the friend).

I agree. One of my closest friends moved country and we now keep in touch by sending birthday and christmas cards, I usually put a wee letter in updating on any big events and vice versa (I don't do FB, Insta, Snap etc). I love getting cards from her. We're not technically friends anymore (purely due to the distance) but we still care about each other, and cherish the friendship we had.

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:02

Yeh I regret sending that last message. That's why I'm so upset now. I feel like I e blown it. I should have just accepted the status quo. It was so hard to though.

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mumtotwo11 · 17/10/2024 08:02

Ok - I think you need to chill - you don't know what is going on in her life.

Maybe she is detoxing, maybe there is something else (health scare, menopause who knows). Message and apologise for your last one and leave it for a bit. Are you visiting soon?

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:01

Some people keep thinking I've been bothering her or texting more than her or initiating more than her but in all
Honesty she would often start conversations . I'm not making that up and honestly was starting as many if not more than me.

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Leopardprintlover101 · 17/10/2024 08:00

I also disagree that other people owe you an explanation.

If you're going though something you often don’t have the bandwidth for other relationships.

Or maybe she wants to be your friend but isn’t comfortable with the current level of communication.

In these situations it’s often better to just leave things a while and get back in touch when you’re in a better headspace and pick up where you left off - no need for a dramatic fall out or big explanation.

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 07:59

It was just so sudden. One minute we were chatting about our daughters 21sts and their plans and about getting back to school after the summer hols and she was telling me she put up some Xmas lights to brighten up
Her hallway and we had a laugh over that. And then I sent a brief text on a Sunday and she didn't reply for 10 days. It was very sudden. I think I'm allowed be a bit confused and yeh even upset .

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Leopardprintlover101 · 17/10/2024 07:57

Things have changed, you’ve asked her why and she’s answered.

Now you need to give her space and try a light message/picture in a month or two and see how things go.

If she doesn’t want to continue the friendship, or continue it in the same way, it will be hurtful but you have to accept that.

Sending nasty messages is not the way to get someone to be your friend.

WonderingAboutThus · 17/10/2024 07:53

I don't think I would be able to keep up with a long-distance friendship for that amount of time and intensity either, unless we had very specific interests in common that meant a naturally ongoing conversation. Liking the other person only brings you so far in texting each other without sufficient events to replenish the friendship. Not to mention life is exhausting even before the need to text!

I don't think that means she's grey rocking you (as also proven by the fact that she did answer when you were distressed), I think maintaining the texting sounds tedious and not like a positive experience (regardless of how much I'd like the friend).

SassK · 17/10/2024 07:52

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 07:37

We meet up once or twice a year depending. She's said she will come and visit me but she hasn't. I go back as I have family there near where she still lives. Reading back over our messages I think it's been pretty equal with her helping me with my stuff and me helping her.

You said you've posted before about it, so it sounds as though the drifting has been organic rather than sudden.
The language she's used about 'checking in' is her way of gently letting you know the vibe has changed for her - she's perhaps been trying to let it drift for a long time, but you've not realised/accepted it.
Long distance relationships and friendships are very difficult to maintain, it seems likely that the drift is down to the distance (rather than you personally).

Holotropic · 17/10/2024 07:48

I remember your other post, I think. You said you cried in the car after a longer than usual silence, but what I remember was how aggressive your tone was — either your friend wasn’t messaging or she was replying to you, but doing it ‘wrong’ by talking about the weather, or something? Wouldn’t it just be easier and healthier to acknowledge that there’s probably no ‘secret reason’, that people change over time, and their needs and communication patterns change too? Bluntly, it’s not her fault you’re overly reliant on these messages because you have struggled with friendships in your new location. See this as a wake-up call to get yourself out there doing something you enjoy, where you may meet people you like.

Leopardprintlover101 · 17/10/2024 07:48

AmazingBouncingFerret · 17/10/2024 06:57

Nope they knew, and we spoke about it. They are just having to battle their own demons of anxiety and inferiority and they have since admitted that my saying what I said helped them enormously in their own self awareness.

I think this is unfair of Autumn - you don’t have to share difficult parts of your life because it’s a “real friend”. Everyone handles things differently and some people like to handle things themselves/with family. I had a similar fall out with a friend who couldn’t give me space for five minutes when I was having a tricky time because she still wanted help in a (self-imposed) situation. She blew up at me for not asking her for help (why would I want help from someone who always needs my help?) and for dealing with the issue myself. Some people just can’t accept that they aren’t the most important person in your life.

IDontHateRainbows · 17/10/2024 07:43

I had the experience of being ghosted by a once dear friend of 20 years and it was bith painful and baffling. We didn't live near by but she often came my way on business and popped in for a cuppa afterwards every time, without fail.

Then one time I saw that she'd stayed in my home city on a recreational break foe a few days and hadn't even got in touch ( but plastered it all over facebook)

It was honestly like a switch had flipped and a few months later we had a fall out and I never saw her again. Never did get to the bottom of it, despite asking.

It's a horrible thong to go through. You have my sympathy.

Pandasnacks · 17/10/2024 07:41

She's said she's having a detox from her phone, which is probably unrelated to you. And you've said 'friendship can't exist without texting' which is total BS anyway, of course it can. But clearly that's not the issue here. She's likely having some sort of her own stress that she didn't want to share with you, or the friendship has reached a natural end. Maybe she will be back in contact in a week or so when the fog has cleared. It'd be a shame to loose a long friendship over one bout of quietness.

GreyCarpet · 17/10/2024 07:38

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 07:31

I moved 4 years ago

4 years is a long time to keep up a friendship when there is little more than text messaging happening.

I've recently let a couple of friendships drift because our communications ended up being just an annual catch up of each other's lives. We don't see each other outside of these catch ups, we don't have shared experiences and our catch ups just became what have you been up to? What are your kids up to now? Type conversations. We had nothing new in our friendships to build on.

There was no fall out and no one dislikes anyone but the closeness we once shared is gone. Its just changing circumstances and life rolling on.

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 07:37

We meet up once or twice a year depending. She's said she will come and visit me but she hasn't. I go back as I have family there near where she still lives. Reading back over our messages I think it's been pretty equal with her helping me with my stuff and me helping her.

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WhatNoRaisins · 17/10/2024 07:36

Some people are a bit out of sight out of mind when a friend moves away and they can't see each other in person very much.

It's great that you've stayed in touch after 4 years and it doesn't sound like she wants to lose touch altogether. I get being disappointed though especially if you're lonely.

LoveTheRainAndSun · 17/10/2024 07:35

When you move overseas friendships do tend to be much harder to maintain and more likely to die off.

Personally, I hate texting. I find it time consuming and tedious. If she's trying to cut down, I can understand why she's not texting so much. What about picking up the phone and calling? Or emailing? If I can use a keyboard rather than phone keypad, I'm much more likely to reply. Maybe your friend feels the same?

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 07:35

Just to say no way have I bombarded her with messages. No way. Definitely not a bombardmnet.

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SassK · 17/10/2024 07:32

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 07:31

I moved 4 years ago

How often have you saw her in person during that time?

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 07:31

SassK · 17/10/2024 07:16

You've moved to a different country! The dynamic of your friendship has changed entirely. Long distance friendships often (usually) drift to occasional check ins then just Christmas cards. It'd be too much effort for most people, I'd think, to message every day with someone they don't see in person anymore.

I moved 4 years ago

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