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spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 05:42

So I have a close friendship with a woman I met at school gate must be more than 15 years ago. Posted about this a few weeks ago. Anyway she suddenly just started ghosting me - we used txt every couple of days sometimes every day and as I live in a different country now that's how we've kept
The friendship going. Anyway she's been distant and just not "there" and I've asked her a few times is she ok is everything ok and eventually she said she was busy.

Anyway after another week or more of no contact I txt her tonight and said I'm sorry I have to say something but have I said or done something to offend u. And she replied straight away saying no but that she had decided to detox off her phone so she could do more walks and especially in the evenings she didn't want to be on her phone. I think it's BS one reason being she replied to me straight away so must have had her phone in her hand: something has happened she just won't tell me . She then said I could "check in" on her if I liked. I got so mad. Is she not going to check in on me then? But I can check in on her? I sent a passive aggressive message that I'm not proud of in hindsight saying that I was getting the message and wouldn't bother her any more she knew where I was if she wanted a conversation. And that it was impossible to maintain a friendship without texting.

She never replied.

I know you will all blame me and will land in on me but I just wish she would
Be honest and say what's wrong. Surely you don't throw away a long friendship like that.

Don't be too mean to me. I've a lot of stress atm and am just so sad as I think I've lost her as a friend. We shared so much and I thought I supported her as much as she did me. I can't sleep. I can imagine what you will all say. I wish I said nothing now. But it was too hard for me to say nothing. Anyone any opinions.

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spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 10:41

@DoTheDinosaurStomp that's totally different. When things were "normal" she would initiate conversations as much as me. I've spent ages looking back on recent chats. Then it was a Sunday in mid sept I sent her a little txt in the afternoon and she didn't reply for 10 days when I sent a follow up saying hope everything's ok. Then I sent another message about a week later. Then I believe she sent me one I can't remember. But this is very different to what you're describing. I'm sorry you're dealing with that it sounds very stressful

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sweetpickle2 · 17/10/2024 10:37

OP, you are being very intense- both in your interaction with her and your reaction to the latest message.

Has she actually blocked you or has she just not read it yet? If she is indeed taking a step back from messaging anyone then she could have just turned her notifications off or set her phone on Do Not Disturb.

guccibag · 17/10/2024 10:24

OP you need to stop insisting she hates you. Why on earth would she "hate you"?. Thats a very strong emotional reaction usually reserved for those people who have cheated with our partners or stolen money from us etc

We all feel annoyance sometimes but hating someone is a whole other level of emotional effort that most people dont have the energy to expend unless that person has done something truly horrific to them.

She doesn't hate you, I suspect it's far more that she just cant be bothered. I dont think she is dwelling on you as much as you imagine she is. You are far less important to her than that. I dont mean that unkindly, but it is irrational to assume flat out hatred when the most likely explanation is, she just cant be arsed to keep the friendship going.

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 10:18

Thanks everyone. I am taking onboard the advice to make more friends here. I do have friends here! It's just not the same as a 17 year old friendship where you know each others lives so well and it's so familiar. Am trying to learn a lesson but am hurting a lot I can't help it. I'm scared that that's it now forever. She must miss our chats a bit . I hope she doesn't hate me that's the only thing I can hope for at this stage I think. I'm so so regretful and sorry I said anything. This time yesterday we were still sorta friends.

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Tcateh · 17/10/2024 10:00

Huh?

You can check in on her.

So that's nice for you 😆

I'd leave it, you've expressed your side and tbh it just sounds like there is now only your side.

Hard I know but don't doubt yourself.

Xx

Lemonadeand · 17/10/2024 09:53

It happens and it’s hurtful. Often you never find out why. Maybe she found you a bit intense/needy? But honestly it could be anything.

DoTheDinosaurStomp · 17/10/2024 09:51

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 07:35

Just to say no way have I bombarded her with messages. No way. Definitely not a bombardmnet.

To you it's not bombardment. But to her, it is. She tried to step back from her phone a bit but you kept on pushing it.

I'm going through something similar. I'm extremely stressed snd overwhelmed with life at the moment. I have a friend who messages a LOT. Every single day, numerous times a day. And sometimes, when I'm not overly busy, it's fine. But it isn't sustainable all the time. I had managed to step back and get messages down a little but then she was going through a tough time so I felt somewhat obliged to be in more contact than I was comfortable with. However at the moment, I'm stressed. Very stressed. There aren't any changes in my life, I'm just overwhelmed with everything in general. I've tried pulling back a little, spacing out the time between replies here and there. But the hint isn't being taken. I have said to her that I'm stressed so won't be in touch as much, but the texts have now changed to "are you OK?". Daily. Her explanation is that she's worried about me so just checking I'm OK and can't rest until she knows I'm OK. It's making my stress levels so much worse and feels like a bombardment.

MsNeis · 17/10/2024 09:24

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:51

I sent her an apology just now but I think she's blocked me so that's that. Can't believe it really after all that time

Well that's strange, OP, and if it is indeed ghosting it's cruel too. But, as we can't know really what goes through her mind, let's assume "the best": maybe she's having some kind of crisis and she is indeed reconsidering her lifestyle re the use of phone, maybe she's not in the best place mentally to deal with anybody. As you don't live close by, even if you texted on an almost daily basis, it would be easier to miss (on your part) or omit (on hers) any major change/crisis she could have been living.
In any case, I think you have to make peace with it: it's not about you, it's about her. If she ever wants to reach you again, you'll be there. Meanwhile, grief and introspect, but don't blame yourself!

Candaceowens · 17/10/2024 09:17

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:51

I sent her an apology just now but I think she's blocked me so that's that. Can't believe it really after all that time

I'm not surprised to be honest. She told you more than once and you just kept going on and then exploded on her.

You said earlier that you noticed it was always you initiating conversations lately and then in a later post said it was both of you. I think you might be rewriting things in your mind to suit your narrative, it's not really healthy.

Unfortunately you moved to another country and your friendships were going to change or end, that's part of moving away. Try to focus on building new friendships in your new home and learning from the way you behaved towards her.

Read through some of these replies and try to take the advice onboard instead of just dismissing it.

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 09:14

I hate myself so much I wish I had said nothing now at least we would be sort of friends . I've just shown her what a nasty person I am I wish I had said nothing I really do. My ex is ignoring me at the moment - see other thread! - and now this. Feel like I must be a very bad person . Can't believe she blocked me after all
Those years of sharing so much

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Bestfootforward11 · 17/10/2024 09:07

Hello. It’s difficult to figure what exactly might be going on here but I understand why you are feeling hurt. Just a couple of thoughts.
Your friend did reply to you immediately to reassure you that it wasn’t you and gave a reason. The reason re detox of her phone in the evening sounds plausible. If this is the reason then it sounds like she’s maybe feeling stressed/anxious/depressed and phone use in the evening isn’t helping. The fact she may go out sometimes with other friends doesn’t change that. I have felt like this and by the time I get to an evening at home I feel like I have nothing more to give and want to decompress. I don’t want to talk about my own stresses because I want to try not think about them and just any kind of social interaction can feel hard. In my friendship group, we all have different pressures and we fade in and out as we need to and understand it’s not personal. You mentioned she said you could check in on her, maybe that’s because she needs someone to check in on her? And she’s trying to say she doesn’t want to cut contact, just change it. You also mentioned that you have found it hard to make new friends where you are which maybe puts a lot of pressure on her. I think perhaps message her and apologise for reacting angrily and say you care for her and are here for her if she needs you and then check in in a months time. All the best.

MsNeis · 17/10/2024 09:07

guccibag · 17/10/2024 06:58

Of course friendship isnt about a quota of messages. However, I think people are being a little harsh here- whenever anyone asks what to do when they are ghosted by a friend, most of the suggestions are- reach out and politely and honestly and ask what's wrong, so now OP has done that, thats wrong too?

Also, if the friend was texting the OP daily or every day or two herself then how is the OP to suddenly know she doesnt want that any more- she's not a mind reader!

Yes, its true people sometimes need space and that should be respected but mature people would communicate that with others so they know- it takes 30 seconds to send a text saying you need a bit of space as you have stuff to deal with.

I also think her "I'm detoxing from my phone but you can check in with me" is a confusing and weird message to send- WTF does that mean? does that mean she wants OP to check on her but she doesnt care to reciprocate- its a very ambiguous message to send.

OP- I would step right back now. Stop contacting her and leave the ball in her court. She might be fading you out, we just dont know, but dont chase someone who isnt putting in the effort to check in with you either. Friendship should be reciprocal, regardless of whether you are texting every week or every few months.

I agree with this, OP, but with a little twist: for your peace of mind, if you want to, you could reach out to her with a conciliatory message, letting her know you're still there if she wants to talk. And then, step back and reflect and assess the situation.
I'm sorry you're going through this, it is tough 🙏💐

guccibag · 17/10/2024 09:01

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:51

I sent her an apology just now but I think she's blocked me so that's that. Can't believe it really after all that time

Ah well now you know. Its a shame this has happened but the main thing here is not to get obsessed with this or ruminate about it as a reflection on you.

Hold this lightly, dont make it into a heavy burden you carry around. You cant control what she does but you can control how you react to it.

I love this video from Mel Robbins on the "let them" theory, its liberating AF:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vreg5I71IrM

Holotropic · 17/10/2024 09:00

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:01

Some people keep thinking I've been bothering her or texting more than her or initiating more than her but in all
Honesty she would often start conversations . I'm not making that up and honestly was starting as many if not more than me.

You keep repeating this. It doesn’t matter what past patterns of communication were like! She’s very clearly communicated that she doesn’t want to do that any more. Either you accept that or you don’t, and of course you get to be sad about it, privately, but she’s made her position clear. What comes across over and over again in your posts are two things — (1) you’re overly reliant on this friendship and (2) you feel that she ‘owes’ you to continue the same level of communication as in the past, because you were there for her.

Obviously feel sad, and sit with those feelings. But translating them into passive-aggressive ‘I get the message’ texts will get you nowhere. You need to be less reliant on this one friendship. Bluntly, it would be hard for any long distance, text-based friendship to give you the level of support you clearly feel you will require when your parents die. You need to branch out a bit.

In your shoes I would briefly apologise for your last text and say you accept her preference for being on her phone less, and you’ll be in touch. Then leave it for at least a couple of weeks, and don’t just text ‘How are you?’ Say something about what’s going on in your life.

BetterWithPockets · 17/10/2024 08:59

SassK · 17/10/2024 08:38

You've no right to send her annoyed messages, but you DO have every right to feel sad about the situation. Don't beat yourself up about that. You could message and apologise for being short with her, and say that yes you'd like to check in with her now and again.

I’m not sure about a ‘right’ to do anything, but I don’t see why the OP can’t send a message showing her frustration if she wants. She absolutely can! She just has to realise (as she has) that it might shut the door on the friendship for good.

OP, there seem to be ALOT of people on this thread telling you you’re needy and too intense, texting too much etc — because that’s not what THEY do. The thing I think they’re missing is that this is what your friendship was like, on both sides, for four years. She’s suddenly, and without warning or real explanation, changed the rules. She’s obviously entitled to do that (just as you’re ‘allowed’ to be upset and blindsided by it), but of course you’re going to find it hard. She’s effectively (almost) ghosted you. I’m afraid I don’t have any words of wisdom but just wanted to say I get it, and I’m sorry. It’s tough. X

ByMerryKoala · 17/10/2024 08:59

I think most friendships are built on proximity and familiarity. While you have moved away and struggled to make friends, she has probably gone on to establish friendships which are face to face and more socially satisfying. It's just one of those things.

SoccerMom82 · 17/10/2024 08:51

Don't overthink it; life goes on. Many people are trying to keep off the phone, leaving WhatsApp and stuff like that.

If the friendship is meant to endure, it will!

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:51

I sent her an apology just now but I think she's blocked me so that's that. Can't believe it really after all that time

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Beautiful3 · 17/10/2024 08:49

You did well.maintaining it for.4 years. But be real,.you never ever see each other, it is not a real friendship. You need to start doing clubs and get to.know others, it may take a while but you'll find your friends. You'll never find them.if you stay in and keep messaging your old friend. Take it as a sign that you need.to get out more. I wish you all the best and hope you find your group.

BetterWithPockets · 17/10/2024 08:48

guccibag · 17/10/2024 06:58

Of course friendship isnt about a quota of messages. However, I think people are being a little harsh here- whenever anyone asks what to do when they are ghosted by a friend, most of the suggestions are- reach out and politely and honestly and ask what's wrong, so now OP has done that, thats wrong too?

Also, if the friend was texting the OP daily or every day or two herself then how is the OP to suddenly know she doesnt want that any more- she's not a mind reader!

Yes, its true people sometimes need space and that should be respected but mature people would communicate that with others so they know- it takes 30 seconds to send a text saying you need a bit of space as you have stuff to deal with.

I also think her "I'm detoxing from my phone but you can check in with me" is a confusing and weird message to send- WTF does that mean? does that mean she wants OP to check on her but she doesnt care to reciprocate- its a very ambiguous message to send.

OP- I would step right back now. Stop contacting her and leave the ball in her court. She might be fading you out, we just dont know, but dont chase someone who isnt putting in the effort to check in with you either. Friendship should be reciprocal, regardless of whether you are texting every week or every few months.

This.

IDontHateRainbows · 17/10/2024 08:43

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:17

We kept it going for 4 years. Weirdly I feel she's such a good friend. We shared so much. Her as well. Not just me. I just feel if she had said it to me even rather than blanking me. I know I need to forget it and move on but I keep going to tell her something that happened at work or with the kids and then remember I can't . Obvs she doesn't value the friensbkp as much and that hurts too. I don't feel like I'm
Needy and all the other things some of you have said. I am very cross with myself for sending that last text though. I'd say she won't contact me again whereas she was keeping the door a tiny bit open I feel like it's been closed now due to my own stupidity. She was even texting me about her work colleagues and what should she do in this situation . That was only in August . Seems so sudden and unexpected. Anyway just have to forget about it now I know what you're all saying. It does seem a bit self centered though. Like what about me. She can just call the shots like that and I have to say nothing. Am sad and disappointed

She doesn't get to call all the shots, if you think the friendship has become one sided you can do what's right for you and back off.

Unfortunately both people have to want a friendship for it to work and it sounds like she doesn't, or not to the same extent as previously.

Friendships are ( mostly) ephemeral in my experience. Even after many years.

LushLemonTart · 17/10/2024 08:41

LadyMacbethWasMisunderstood · 17/10/2024 07:12

I would send her another message just saying sorry about the last one; you were feeling a bit raw as her friendship is important to you and then go on to say that you would like to check in with her from time to time and hope she does the same and that it would be sad to lose touch after so many years. Then I’d message her again in a month or 6 weeks and just keep it light.

If she doesn’t reply to either of those then I’d leave it: sad as it is for you.

I agree. If she's so important it's worth trying to save the friendship.

WhatNoRaisins · 17/10/2024 08:41

The thing is you can't change either your friends personality or any decisions she might have made for her own life. If she's decided that virtual friendships don't fulfill her and she needs to spend less time on her phone and more time elsewhere you can't change that. All you can do is grieve what you once had, if you feel the need to, and try to adapt to the reality of the new situation.

SassK · 17/10/2024 08:38

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 08:17

We kept it going for 4 years. Weirdly I feel she's such a good friend. We shared so much. Her as well. Not just me. I just feel if she had said it to me even rather than blanking me. I know I need to forget it and move on but I keep going to tell her something that happened at work or with the kids and then remember I can't . Obvs she doesn't value the friensbkp as much and that hurts too. I don't feel like I'm
Needy and all the other things some of you have said. I am very cross with myself for sending that last text though. I'd say she won't contact me again whereas she was keeping the door a tiny bit open I feel like it's been closed now due to my own stupidity. She was even texting me about her work colleagues and what should she do in this situation . That was only in August . Seems so sudden and unexpected. Anyway just have to forget about it now I know what you're all saying. It does seem a bit self centered though. Like what about me. She can just call the shots like that and I have to say nothing. Am sad and disappointed

You've no right to send her annoyed messages, but you DO have every right to feel sad about the situation. Don't beat yourself up about that. You could message and apologise for being short with her, and say that yes you'd like to check in with her now and again.

BMW6 · 17/10/2024 08:34

OP friendships don't all last forever. Some just run their course then wither away.

Sounds like your final message has definitely closed it down permanently so you need to let it go now.

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