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Think I've blown it with friend

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spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 05:42

So I have a close friendship with a woman I met at school gate must be more than 15 years ago. Posted about this a few weeks ago. Anyway she suddenly just started ghosting me - we used txt every couple of days sometimes every day and as I live in a different country now that's how we've kept
The friendship going. Anyway she's been distant and just not "there" and I've asked her a few times is she ok is everything ok and eventually she said she was busy.

Anyway after another week or more of no contact I txt her tonight and said I'm sorry I have to say something but have I said or done something to offend u. And she replied straight away saying no but that she had decided to detox off her phone so she could do more walks and especially in the evenings she didn't want to be on her phone. I think it's BS one reason being she replied to me straight away so must have had her phone in her hand: something has happened she just won't tell me . She then said I could "check in" on her if I liked. I got so mad. Is she not going to check in on me then? But I can check in on her? I sent a passive aggressive message that I'm not proud of in hindsight saying that I was getting the message and wouldn't bother her any more she knew where I was if she wanted a conversation. And that it was impossible to maintain a friendship without texting.

She never replied.

I know you will all blame me and will land in on me but I just wish she would
Be honest and say what's wrong. Surely you don't throw away a long friendship like that.

Don't be too mean to me. I've a lot of stress atm and am just so sad as I think I've lost her as a friend. We shared so much and I thought I supported her as much as she did me. I can't sleep. I can imagine what you will all say. I wish I said nothing now. But it was too hard for me to say nothing. Anyone any opinions.

OP posts:
Tiredofallthis101 · 17/10/2024 22:30

You come across as very self centred here OP. In reality you have no idea if she had something big going on and just needed some space. I would have blocked you too. Then when I felt more resilient I'd probably unblock you. As others have said sounds like you need some counselling as you seem to be struggling with managing strong emotions and don't have much of a support network. In future try to not take things so personally. Yes she may have made excuses about a phone detox but given your pushy approach I don't really blame her. If she'd said she just needs space at the moment how would you have responded? Based on what you've said here likely made it all about you and got offended. Sorry if that is hard to hear but if you want to maintain relationships effectively in the future uou have to be responsive to other people's needs too.

SkaneTos · 17/10/2024 22:18

@spanieleyes22
Have a cry. It's okay to cry.
It does not have to be all gone, she might get in touch again someday. Give her some time.

Think about what you have in your life. You have your children. You have other friends.
Can you watch some TV or watch a movie, to distract yourself? Read a book?

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 22:00

Crying in bed again. Just can't get my head round her blocking me I think that's just hurting me cos it's final. I dunno how she can be so cold after all these years. I feel so stupid . It's easy say life moves on but am finding it very hard. I never text her on weekends cos she was wit her family and stuff and I didn't want to be annoying her but the little convos during the week used just be a bit of fun . All gone now. And she always used say she'd be there for me at my parents funerals as I am dreading facing my toxic family and she said don't worry I'll come wit u. And now I'll just be alone. Im so sad. Her own family is toxic and she doesn't hardly talk to them either so we had that in common too.

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Planetsd · 17/10/2024 20:50

I often don't reply to people quickly I have a busy life and don't have the mental energy to be messaging people all the time.

PassingStranger · 17/10/2024 20:43

Lol you can check in on me if you like. Yes because a one way friendship is a good idea.
Just move on. Not meant to be. People come in and out of our lives. Life goes on.

MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 17/10/2024 19:47

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 09:14

I hate myself so much I wish I had said nothing now at least we would be sort of friends . I've just shown her what a nasty person I am I wish I had said nothing I really do. My ex is ignoring me at the moment - see other thread! - and now this. Feel like I must be a very bad person . Can't believe she blocked me after all
Those years of sharing so much

I dont think you are a nasty person at all.
But your idea of friendship was incompatible with your friend's idea. You need to find people in your life to match your energy andhave similar approach to relationships.

Maria1979 · 17/10/2024 19:45

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 12:54

Sometimes I think I'm the only person on MN who ever makes a mistake or says or texts something in anger and then regrets it.

You're probably one of the few admitting it😉. You sound very fragile OP and I don't say that to be mean. You need more support than you can get on an online forum. Can you call a hotline to talk to someone if you don't have a close friend in your country? It just seems like you're falling apart..try to find a psychologist who can help you asap. ❤️💐

MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 17/10/2024 19:44

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 19:00

See if it was the other way round and I just started ghosting a friend for no good reason would you all say yes it doesn't matter how she feels you have the right to do that . Don't give an explanation and hope she gets the message. If she doesn't make say you're detoxing from your phone.

I just would never do that to a person. This friend prides herself on speaking up and having the argument rather than the silent treatment. We talked a lot about how silent treatment can be toxic. So I feel now that ther prob is a reason she doesn't like me any more but she didn't want to say it but now she can ignore me justifiably .

You seem cery focused with this idea she lied to you. How do you know that though?
Many people want to disconnect and not hang around on the phone?
And even if, I think your reaction to what she said was very over the top.
I get it, it's super unpleasant that you spent time listening to her worries last year and then she 'ghosted you'. But maybe theover the phone friendship just does not work for her and shed rather it fizzled out naturally.
The biggest issue is not her, but the fact you dont have anyone else around and all your hopes are pinned on this distant person. You need to get out and meet people and get some perspective on this rather than pressure someone you dont get to see to send a certain amount of texts a week.

TartfulRidesAgain2 · 17/10/2024 19:42

I have a friend who is incredibly intense and would be sat texting all day if she could, she gets upset if she doesn’t get instant responses to each message and thinks she much have done something to offend me and then want constant reassurance. It’s just all a bit much at times. Sometimes I just don’t want to text or call anyone. I just want to be left alone. It is allowed.

WhatNoRaisins · 17/10/2024 19:39

OP as this person isn't here to give her reasons I can't really say whether she was right to do what she did. Ghosting isn't nice but sometimes people don't feel like they have another option. I don't know if that applies here.

The excuse that she was trying to phone detox does make sense. If you have a lot of long distance people you keep up with that can take up a lot of time and sometimes you wake up and think "hey what about my 'real' life?". I don't know her or know if she has a habit of lying but it's a reason I'd take at face value because it makes sense.

kaos2 · 17/10/2024 19:32

I think she was trying to phase you out and you gave her an out .. def just leave it and don't bother her again

I've been your friend in this Scenario and tried to phase someone out who was overly emotional and insecure causing issues all the time and she didn't get the hint .. it ended up being very embarrassing for her so I would just leave it tbh

HollyKnight · 17/10/2024 19:26

She wasn't ghosting you though. People who ghost don't respond to messages at all. She was still responding, just less frequently. She previously told you that she has been very busy lately and now she told you she is trying to spend less time on her phone. Those are her reasons for being quieter. It doesn't matter if you don't like them. They're still valid reasons. Why could you not respect that? Or even just accept it. There was no need for you to get passive-aggressive with her. Maybe she'll unblock you when things settle down, but right now she doesn't have time for your nonsense.

DoTheDinosaurStomp · 17/10/2024 19:13

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 19:00

See if it was the other way round and I just started ghosting a friend for no good reason would you all say yes it doesn't matter how she feels you have the right to do that . Don't give an explanation and hope she gets the message. If she doesn't make say you're detoxing from your phone.

I just would never do that to a person. This friend prides herself on speaking up and having the argument rather than the silent treatment. We talked a lot about how silent treatment can be toxic. So I feel now that ther prob is a reason she doesn't like me any more but she didn't want to say it but now she can ignore me justifiably .

But she hasn't ghosted you. She's told you that she's trying to spend less time on her phone. Maybe thats the truth. A lot of people are realising the benefits of spending less time on screens. Instead of respecting that, you pushed for more. She's then felt the need to block you after having tried to pull back a bit and being met with her boundaries being pushed and prodded at by you.

betterangels · 17/10/2024 19:08

Errors · 17/10/2024 07:30

This.
She has said she is trying to take more of a break from her phone. Many people are starting to realise the down sides of being constantly contactable and not living in the real world and yet you berated her for it.

Exactly. Many of us want to 'detox' from the phone. She told you her reason; it's not her fault that you don't believe her. It's a perfectly valid explanation. I don't understand why you are getting all PA about it. Of course, she didn't reply further after that.

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 19:00

See if it was the other way round and I just started ghosting a friend for no good reason would you all say yes it doesn't matter how she feels you have the right to do that . Don't give an explanation and hope she gets the message. If she doesn't make say you're detoxing from your phone.

I just would never do that to a person. This friend prides herself on speaking up and having the argument rather than the silent treatment. We talked a lot about how silent treatment can be toxic. So I feel now that ther prob is a reason she doesn't like me any more but she didn't want to say it but now she can ignore me justifiably .

OP posts:
spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 18:57

What's an AS

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Holotropic · 17/10/2024 17:06

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 14:19

I just can't stop crying. I have nobody to ring or to tell about what happened. Friends here are too new. Covid was just starting when we arrived so although 4 years seems long it's not really as we had to stay in for the first couple of years so lost that time. Just trusted that friend so much. I know I'm ridiculous

@spanieleyes22, I moved countries just behold Covid, too, and I hear you. It was a difficult time to land somewhere new and start to make friends. But your friend is not responsible for your loneliness in your new country, and neither can you put it on her that her going silent is triggering for you because of your relationships with your ex and your sister. You need to manage your own emotional responses and not transfer your strong feelings about past relationship breakdowns onto this one.

It’s ok to be sad, and you should let yourself feel whatever you’re feeling, but converting that into anger at things you think she ‘should’ be doing is only going to make you more upset and bitter. Her shit is her shit. You don’t know what it is. You can’t control it. Don’t write off the friendship. I reconnected last year with someone who dropped me like a stone in 2011 because of her shit.

MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 17/10/2024 16:58

spanieleyes22 · 17/10/2024 06:48

Yeh I knew you would all start second guessing and saying she has stuff going on but she doesn't . I was just looking back at all our texts and honestly she was initiating contact as much or more than me it was definitely equal anyway it wasnt me bothering her all the time. The chat I have on WhatsApp goes back years it's kinda like a diary to our lives. Things I totally forgot that we were discussing for days 🤣like when her dd was getting bullied in school last year and she'd be texting me so much. And then when she was applying for jobs I gave her all my notes from an interview coach I went to. So many things. I can't help
Being hurt. I've agonized over the last few messages before this all started and I just can't see anything

I think oyu got it very wrong again.
Maybe she is not groing through anything but still has a, you know, actual life. Work. Maybe she has a cold. Maybe she picked up a new hobby and focuses on that. Maybe she got tired of daily messages and just wanted to chill reading a book. Maybe she did self reflection and wants to do more stuff not on the phone. She really does not have to excuse herself and explain anything. Either you are very overbearing, or she genuinely just felt like notengaging much for whatever reason and either you accept that and move on and have a more relaxed friendship, or the friendship is over. Would you rather she wrote she cant stand you? Because it seems you expected an answer along these lines and now youre agonising she is lying, but if I was gettimg passive aggressive messages from a friend Id be second guessing if the whole thing was worth it.
Unless you sign a contract obliging her to text 5 times a day, it's perfectly natural people text more when they have somehting to say and less when there is nothing to say.

Errors · 17/10/2024 16:58

WhatNoRaisins · 17/10/2024 16:20

OP could it be worth exploring whether there is a pattern with relationships and the silent treatment here. It might or might not be your fault, or partly or whatever but I think you need someone impartial to talk about it in more detail to figure this out.

I agree. I almost never do this but I did an AS on the OP after a few posters mentioned about previous threads and I can see a lot of angst. Various friends plus an ex ignoring you, lots of work related issues etc.
Im sorry OP, I do not know you and it is not my wish to see anyone suffer but your writing style and the contents of what you post about does remind me of a dear friend of mine that I can find really hard work at times. She has lots of redeemable qualities, which is why I would never go quiet on her long term but I do pretend quite often that I haven’t seen the almost nightly texts I get about whatever she is spiralling about that day. I keep trying to tell her she needs to stop caring about stuff so much but she is so sensitive that she often will sulk with me if I do that. I also don’t enjoy pandering to it so what can you do.

WhatNoRaisins · 17/10/2024 16:20

OP could it be worth exploring whether there is a pattern with relationships and the silent treatment here. It might or might not be your fault, or partly or whatever but I think you need someone impartial to talk about it in more detail to figure this out.

Josette77 · 17/10/2024 16:11

You aren't listening to people though.

You messaged her a month ago and she took a while to respond. She told you why. Then you didn't believe her, and messaged again.

My birth mom is similar. She would behave in a way that was too intense and when people reacted to that she would shame spiral and say she hated herself.

If she was berating herself it made the rest of us feel we couldn't hold her accountable because she was already punishing herself. It was a way to avoid responsibility.

I see in your responses you are very defensive. She told you she was taking a break from her phone and you ignored her boundary.

Bunnyhair · 17/10/2024 15:49

So if you are totally confident she doesn’t have anything else going on in her life that could possibly reasonably excuse her not texting as much as you’d like, and she’s either angry with you for something she won’t tell you, or is just shutting you out for absolutely no reason at all:

a) do you want her as a friend?
b) do you think maybe this friendship meant more to you than it did to her?

I get that you’re lonely in a new city, but that is not this person’s responsibility. And the more you pressure her with pass agg demanding messages the more you will drive her away.

If you need a more intense level of friendship, and this person is no longer able to provide that, you can’t force it out of her.

gladrefrain · 17/10/2024 15:41

MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 17/10/2024 06:29

Friendship is not about a quota of messages you send a week/month. It's absolutely fine to have a friendship and not text every day! Or have a period when you dont contact each other. Do you need to know what she had for lunch to be friends?

I do think you sound a bit intense and maybe you have a view of what a friendship is and stick to it like way too tightly.
Maybe she is busy or doe snot have a headspace to message fequentl even if she is on her phone, or maybe she is tired of sending multiple messages just forthe sake of it.

You texted her, she replied and then you threw a strop because you wanted to hear something else. If she was on the fence about continuing the frienship you proved her right.

Sorry, I agree with this.

HollyKnight · 17/10/2024 15:40

Wait. Is this the same friend you posted about yesterday saying she texted you at the weekend?

NiftyKoala · 17/10/2024 15:36

I'd back off completely and maybe after time she may want to speak again. Truthfully after that message I'd probably feel justified in not wanting contact.

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