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Does anyone else feel this way about the education system in the uk?

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Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:06

My DH was privately educated, I was not. We have one dc due to start school next September so the search for a school has begun. I have always been adamant that I do not want my child to go to a private school. I get that they are brilliant in many ways but I feel very politically strongly that our support should be with the state sector. I want my child to know real people and not the top tiny percent of privilege.

Anyway… we have now looked at 5 of the closest state schools. I have been shocked. It’s not what I remember from my experience of school. These classes were chaos. In all of the schools we went to. The buildings were in an absolute state. Just the feel of the places was so awful. In two of the schools we looked at, supply teachers were in nearly all the classes, is this normal now? These were all rated outstanding bar one that was satisfactory. Three of them are meant to be really good options too, so I have no idea where it goes from there.

DH convinced me to look at the local private school. It’s so incredibly different on every level. There was calmness, order, focus. Although DH won’t push me to change my mind about private I know he would be over the moon if I agreed to it. I now feel so conflicted. I will also be hugely embarrassed if we chose to go private after everything negative I have very publicly said about the private sector for many years.

I feel shit about it. Am I jeprodisring our child’s future for my own moral compass to stay in tact? I don’t know anymore.

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Didimum · 16/10/2024 20:26

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:22

@Didimum do you think numerous supply teachers and chaos in corridors is ok? It’s definitely not how my lovely state school was

Firstly, what’s ‘chaos’? Secondly did you enquire at each of the five schools why the supply teachers were in place? If so, what did they say?

howshouldibehave · 16/10/2024 20:25

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:23

@howshouldibehave not sure, that was the only document I could see online for it. It was actually better than three of the others though, imo

Sorry, but that is very odd! Something isn’t right there.

What is the year of the most recent inspection?

Circe7 · 16/10/2024 20:25

There’s clearly a moral question for you about the politics of giving your child something that other children don’t have. But there’s also presumably a moral question as to whether it’s right to send your child to a school which you don’t particularly like due to your own political views.

My view has always been that my highest moral priority as a parent is doing my best for my children. I actually think most parents share this in most respects- you don’t feed your children suboptimal food or withdraw attention or love from them or prevent them doing extracurricular activities just because not every child has the same. A different logic is applied to private schools in that respect.

My own parents put aside their previous anti-private school views in order to move me from a state school where I was really suffering. I’m very grateful they did because it massively improved my adolescence and preserved my mental health.

But in a way your issue here is inherent in your political beliefs about private schools. If you believe that private schools are wrong because they (in general) are providing something better than the state sector, you are accepting that if you follow your principles you won’t be sending your child to the best school available. That’s quite uncomfortable in the context of your own children.

The disclaimer here is of course that not all state schools are bad and not all private schools are good and there may be other benefits to state like a broader mix of children which outweigh factors like crumbling buildings.

Ozanj · 16/10/2024 20:25

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:21

@QueenOfHiraeth i don’t want my child mixing with such a small sector of society though. It’s not at all representative of real life and I know that’s not a good thing either

You keep mentioning ‘real life’ but I think it’s possible you have no concept of it. Where I am parents send their kids to private on 30k as well as 300k as some areas have awful schools. One of DS’ best friends is the son of a carer and a taxi driver, another is the son of a local GP. There is such diversity. The super rich kids of aristocracy go to boarding, they don’t tend to go to day schools - those are still the preserve of the wealthy working class.

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:25

ImNunTheWiser · 16/10/2024 20:24

I don’t want my child mixing with a tiny percentage of society which is the most privileged

I hate to break this to you, but if you can afford private school you already are amongst the most privileged, so she'll be mixing with her own kind.

@ImNunTheWiser sure but if she was in private she would definitely be on the poorer end of that. We would be stretching things to pay for it etc

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QueenOfHiraeth · 16/10/2024 20:24

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:21

@QueenOfHiraeth i don’t want my child mixing with such a small sector of society though. It’s not at all representative of real life and I know that’s not a good thing either

It will vary from school to school but that was not our experience at all. There were some wealthy families but most were pretty normal and funded school by compromising on holidays, new cars, etc or with help from grandparents

ImNunTheWiser · 16/10/2024 20:24

I don’t want my child mixing with a tiny percentage of society which is the most privileged

I hate to break this to you, but if you can afford private school you already are amongst the most privileged, so she'll be mixing with her own kind.

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:23

Summerhillsquare · 16/10/2024 20:22

How much confidence do you have in your parenting?

@Summerhillsquare i am not academic so don’t think I will be any help there! DH is pretty good though with that sort of stuff

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mnahmnah · 16/10/2024 20:23

I work in a state secondary and I have lots of friends who teach in other schools in the area. I have worked at and visited more schools. Your description wouldn’t fit any of the schools round here. Even the one which is considered to be particularly challenging and in a deprived area. There was calm and order there too. Would you move area? If the schools in your area aren’t great, then that will move into social aspects of life for a teenager in your area too.

Didimum · 16/10/2024 20:23

NeelyOHara1 · 16/10/2024 20:18

"Am I jeprodisring our child’s future for my own moral compass"

It's the convenient MC left wingers Get out of Jail Free card on the issue so you wouldn't be alone.

And that it conveniently slips minds that 93% of the nation are state educated.

KeepinOn · 16/10/2024 20:23

There is a shocking disparity in schools depending on the area. We ended up moving house because of it, and I'm sending my dd to a selective grammar for secondary, because I'll do what I can within the limits of my resources to give my dc a good education. That's part of my responsibility as a parent.

HaveYouSeenRain · 16/10/2024 20:23

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:21

@QueenOfHiraeth i don’t want my child mixing with such a small sector of society though. It’s not at all representative of real life and I know that’s not a good thing either

Well then there is your decision. if you are so against it, why did you post here

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:23

howshouldibehave · 16/10/2024 20:22

‘Satisfactory’ was scrapped as a judgement by Ofsted in 2012. Are you saying they haven’t had an Ofsted in over 12 years and have never been reinspected?

@howshouldibehave not sure, that was the only document I could see online for it. It was actually better than three of the others though, imo

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Summerhillsquare · 16/10/2024 20:22

How much confidence do you have in your parenting?

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:22

Didimum · 16/10/2024 20:21

If you found this to be the case in no fewer than 5 different primary schools, then either your expectations are way too high or you live in a horrendous area. State schools are facing some real challenges, but I’m finding the claim that all five were this terrible to be a little unbelievable if I’m honest.

@Didimum do you think numerous supply teachers and chaos in corridors is ok? It’s definitely not how my lovely state school was

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howshouldibehave · 16/10/2024 20:22

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:17

@howshouldibehave How many supply teachers was a specific question DH asked. Consistently is obviously vital for children. I don’t now what you mean about satisfactory - that was their last rating.

‘Satisfactory’ was scrapped as a judgement by Ofsted in 2012. Are you saying they haven’t had an Ofsted in over 12 years and have never been reinspected?

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:21

QueenOfHiraeth · 16/10/2024 20:19

My DCs are now all in their 30s and we sent them to private school because the difference was evident even back then. I just felt I couldn't have lived with myself if I had not taken that opportunity and, possibly, compromised them for my principles. We have never regretted that choice and they are all very grateful for it
I think the gap has widened even more, state schools are judged by very low standards, and I wish we had the money to pay for our grandchildren.

Personally I don't understand this "moral compass" thing, racing to the bottom is not more moral as long as your advantages are not at the direct expense of others

@QueenOfHiraeth i don’t want my child mixing with such a small sector of society though. It’s not at all representative of real life and I know that’s not a good thing either

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Didimum · 16/10/2024 20:21

If you found this to be the case in no fewer than 5 different primary schools, then either your expectations are way too high or you live in a horrendous area. State schools are facing some real challenges, but I’m finding the claim that all five were this terrible to be a little unbelievable if I’m honest.

greenday16B · 16/10/2024 20:21

& really naff sounding teachers

What does a naff teacher sound like?

HaveYouSeenRain · 16/10/2024 20:20

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:18

@MotherOfCrocodiles of course not but whilst we can afford fees we are certainly not wealthy and won’t have all the holidays etc the other children have. I am not sure that is a nice environment to be in

Well she will have to learn that she can’t have the same as her friends but is still privileged and can have nice holidays and a good education. It’s up to you to teach your kids rhe right values. Whatever school you are in, somebody will have more or something you can’t afford

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:20

AmandaPleaseDotCom · 16/10/2024 20:18

My daughter is starting reception next year too and I was SHOCKED at the first school we looked around. Rubbish building, reception seemed like utter carnage (I'm all for learning through play but this was ridiculous) & really naff sounding teachers. This was supposedly a good school that others had recommended.

We've now found another one that I fell in love with immediately so there is hope!! Can you look a little further afield?

But if you don't like any of them and can afford private I'd do it, not everyone can be lucky enough to have a school that would suit their child on their doorstep. This is key I think, because every child is different and you could say it's not that the schools were bad, just that they wouldn't be right for your kid.

@AmandaPleaseDotCom thanks. There is one that does look very good but it’s a 45 minute drive! We can’t move either. I wish there were more to choose from

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QueenOfHiraeth · 16/10/2024 20:19

My DCs are now all in their 30s and we sent them to private school because the difference was evident even back then. I just felt I couldn't have lived with myself if I had not taken that opportunity and, possibly, compromised them for my principles. We have never regretted that choice and they are all very grateful for it
I think the gap has widened even more, state schools are judged by very low standards, and I wish we had the money to pay for our grandchildren.

Personally I don't understand this "moral compass" thing, racing to the bottom is not more moral as long as your advantages are not at the direct expense of others

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:18

@MotherOfCrocodiles of course not but whilst we can afford fees we are certainly not wealthy and won’t have all the holidays etc the other children have. I am not sure that is a nice environment to be in

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HaveYouSeenRain · 16/10/2024 20:18

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:14

@Marblesbackagain its not just embarrassment. I don’t want my child mixing with a tiny percentage of society which is the most privileged. It’s not real life and I do feel strongly that private schools shouldn’t actually exist. In fact if they didn’t I wouldn’t be faced with this!

look not all private schools are the same. My neighbours are very normal, down to earth people on a semi 3 bedroom and have both kids at private. No private jet or holiday home. In my area lots of kids in private school have very middle class backgrounds.

My friend’s kids go to school in Chelsea with children of MPs and famous people and that’s completely different again.

NeelyOHara1 · 16/10/2024 20:18

"Am I jeprodisring our child’s future for my own moral compass"

It's the convenient MC left wingers Get out of Jail Free card on the issue so you wouldn't be alone.

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