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Does anyone else feel this way about the education system in the uk?

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Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:06

My DH was privately educated, I was not. We have one dc due to start school next September so the search for a school has begun. I have always been adamant that I do not want my child to go to a private school. I get that they are brilliant in many ways but I feel very politically strongly that our support should be with the state sector. I want my child to know real people and not the top tiny percent of privilege.

Anyway… we have now looked at 5 of the closest state schools. I have been shocked. It’s not what I remember from my experience of school. These classes were chaos. In all of the schools we went to. The buildings were in an absolute state. Just the feel of the places was so awful. In two of the schools we looked at, supply teachers were in nearly all the classes, is this normal now? These were all rated outstanding bar one that was satisfactory. Three of them are meant to be really good options too, so I have no idea where it goes from there.

DH convinced me to look at the local private school. It’s so incredibly different on every level. There was calmness, order, focus. Although DH won’t push me to change my mind about private I know he would be over the moon if I agreed to it. I now feel so conflicted. I will also be hugely embarrassed if we chose to go private after everything negative I have very publicly said about the private sector for many years.

I feel shit about it. Am I jeprodisring our child’s future for my own moral compass to stay in tact? I don’t know anymore.

OP posts:
MagicianMoth · 16/10/2024 20:35

I don't understand how, in what I am assuming is an infant or primary school, you were aware that the teachers in the classrooms were "supply teachers". It's not like it's a maths teacher trying to teach French.

And that "satisfactory" rating is deeply weird. I am always looking at Ofsted results as part of my job and as PP have said satisfactory hasn't been used in donkeys years. It's Outstanding, Good, Requires Improvement, Inadequate.

stargirl1701 · 16/10/2024 20:35

There is no UK education system. Scotland is a country. Education here has always been separate from England.

Itrainedallday · 16/10/2024 20:35

the schools in my area are lovely. Even our “requires improvement” school is lovely.

We just viewed a secondary school and 600 kids volunteered to show parents and Yr6’s around. Everyone was excited, proud and well behaved.

like with everywhere though, you’ll get nice schools and you’ll get shit schools. Same as everything else in life.

blackpear · 16/10/2024 20:34

YANBU sadly. We couldn’t afford private but took our kids out to home-ed them. The local state school was a feral jungle. It declined dramatically over two years or so, and all the good teachers left.

RedRobyn2021 · 16/10/2024 20:34

I don't understand how not sending your child to private school is taking the moral high ground?

If I could afford it, I would

It takes pressure off the state schools, I don't understand how sending your child to a state school "supports" the school?

And in answer to your query, no the schools aren't like that near me, not the ones I've viewed recently. My DD is the same age as yours and will be starting next September

Summerhillsquare · 16/10/2024 20:32

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:23

@Summerhillsquare i am not academic so don’t think I will be any help there! DH is pretty good though with that sort of stuff

Parenting isn't being academic.

Supportive parents are so much more important than the 'right' school.

Morello339 · 16/10/2024 20:32

I imagine OP might be looking at a schools rating before it was taken over as an academy or similar. It can still have the same name.

sunsettosunrise · 16/10/2024 20:32

I was privately educated at secondary, I was the student of parents who scrimped and saved to send their dc private. The teaching / facilities was excellent but a lot of my peers were a bit stuck up, and had fancy holidays, branded clothes etc. One girl even gave a presentation on her holiday cruise ffs. FWIW, I did have some friends who were of a similar background to me so it wasnt all bad on the social front but not sure if I would send my dc private if I had a reasonable choice.

I had a really bad state primary experience (bullying & I was dyslexic but I didnt get the necessary support) which is why I went private for secondary.

Startinganew32 · 16/10/2024 20:32

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:25

@ImNunTheWiser sure but if she was in private she would definitely be on the poorer end of that. We would be stretching things to pay for it etc

So it’s not really concern about mixing with a privileged minority but that you’re worried that she won’t be as rich as her friends? There will be rich people at state school too by the way.

howshouldibehave · 16/10/2024 20:31

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:27

@howshouldibehave shall I just send you the name of the school 😂 I don’t know I think it was 2011 or 2014 off the top of my head. We’ve been to five!

Well, I’d be finding the most recent report to read if that’s one of the schools you liked.

A ‘satisfactory’ ofsted inspection is NOT going to be the most recent report so anything you are reading on there will be completely out of date.

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:30

We are very rural. It’s not a bad area or a good area I wouldn’t say. The closest school is 5 miles. The furthest we looked at was 14 miles but that’s quite far on countryside roads!

Trying to keep up with the questions but in terms of chaos it was more the noise. I don’t know how there can be any learning!! It was loud and in one class kids throwing stuff back and forth but nobody intervening?! This was age 7.

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gamerchick · 16/10/2024 20:29

You're saying the school hasn't had an Ofsted inspection for over 10 years?

Weird thread. Soz OP, you're not being convincing.

fashionqueen0123 · 16/10/2024 20:29

Ozanj · 16/10/2024 20:25

You keep mentioning ‘real life’ but I think it’s possible you have no concept of it. Where I am parents send their kids to private on 30k as well as 300k as some areas have awful schools. One of DS’ best friends is the son of a carer and a taxi driver, another is the son of a local GP. There is such diversity. The super rich kids of aristocracy go to boarding, they don’t tend to go to day schools - those are still the preserve of the wealthy working class.

Edited

Private primaries cost about £4-6k a term here. How can you could do on 30k?

FloralGums · 16/10/2024 20:29

Ellerby83 · 16/10/2024 20:28

That doesn't bear any resembalance to the state schools my dc went to. If they are all like that you must live in a horrible area. Can you move house?

And yet 4 of the schools are supposedly Outstanding. A odd thread.

Meadowfinch · 16/10/2024 20:29

Op, my advice would be to forget how the schools are funded. Look at all the possible schools in your area. Remember you are choosing a school for your child. Politics are irrelevant.

Some areas have brilliant state schools, some don't.

My ds went to a state primary. When it came to senior school, the one we were offered, even Ofsted said it wasn't safe. At that point I gave up on dogma and based my decision on the need to keep my child safe. My job is to get him to adulthood unmolested and in one piece and that is what I intend to do.

Good luck

ImNunTheWiser · 16/10/2024 20:28

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:25

@ImNunTheWiser sure but if she was in private she would definitely be on the poorer end of that. We would be stretching things to pay for it etc

That wasn't your original point though.
You were implying that you didn't want her mixing with privilege as if there is something wrong them whilst trying to pretend you aren't also in that bracket compared to the vast majority of people in the country. A strange inverted snobbery given your reaction to the reality of the state schools that the majority attend.

mafsfan · 16/10/2024 20:28

Where in the country are you?

FloralGums · 16/10/2024 20:28

I’m smelling a bit of a rat here. 5 local schools. 4 of them outstanding is highly unusual. The other being ‘satisfactory’ which isn’t a word used by Ofsted for many years.
Is this designed to be another VAT, poor private school parents thread?

Ellerby83 · 16/10/2024 20:28

That doesn't bear any resembalance to the state schools my dc went to. If they are all like that you must live in a horrible area. Can you move house?

fashionqueen0123 · 16/10/2024 20:27

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:12

@winewolfhowls i feel so conflicted and so surprised too actually. I genuinely had no idea that schools were like this nowadays. I’m an older num though!

It will depend where you live . Our schools here are great and many over subscribed. Private would be an utter waste of money.

Have you read the Ofsted reports as to why they got the grading? Spoken to friends?

twistyizzy · 16/10/2024 20:27

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:25

@ImNunTheWiser sure but if she was in private she would definitely be on the poorer end of that. We would be stretching things to pay for it etc

Trust me, many parents who choose indy are in the same financial situation. She/you will be in the majority, not the minority

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:27

howshouldibehave · 16/10/2024 20:25

Sorry, but that is very odd! Something isn’t right there.

What is the year of the most recent inspection?

@howshouldibehave shall I just send you the name of the school 😂 I don’t know I think it was 2011 or 2014 off the top of my head. We’ve been to five!

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Gogogo12345 · 16/10/2024 20:26

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:14

@Marblesbackagain its not just embarrassment. I don’t want my child mixing with a tiny percentage of society which is the most privileged. It’s not real life and I do feel strongly that private schools shouldn’t actually exist. In fact if they didn’t I wouldn’t be faced with this!

But your child can attend stuff like brownies, swimming etc that has a good mix of people.

I went to state infants (where I was very bored most of the time being told to read in the corner while the rest of the class did such and such. From there I went to a private prep school where I thrived.

Then my parents split up. And I won a full scholarship to attend 5 years of private secondary . But my dad who we lived with was a staunch labourite, anti private anything and refused to let me go to the private grammar instead sticking me in a local east London comp.

It was dreadful. 3 years behind academically ( i the work they were giving Id done when I was bloody 8) No manners from most of the other kids and the teachers let the kids get away with blue murder so no chance of learning.

Hence I spent most of my time piss balling about and totally lost interest. I never did actually forgive my dad for that and when he got older ( in his 70s) he said that he probably would've acted differently in the same situation with hindsight

Don't deprive your child of opportunities for some " champagne socialist" political view

EasternStandard · 16/10/2024 20:26

Do you mean reception entry?

So you’ll privately educate all the way through?

I mean you feel strongly against private so it depends how much that matters to you

twistyizzy · 16/10/2024 20:26

Greengreenga · 16/10/2024 20:21

@QueenOfHiraeth i don’t want my child mixing with such a small sector of society though. It’s not at all representative of real life and I know that’s not a good thing either

You realise that indy kids have live outside of school so don't just exist in the microcosm of that school? Lots of opportunities for mixing with wider social strata through extra curricular or just where you live

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