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Shouted at by male midwife mid panic attack

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ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 12:05

Hi all,

Yesterday, I attended the Early Pregnancy Unit for a suspected miscarriage. Due to complex PTSD from a violent sexual assault, I generally can't see male providers without prior notice, and sometimes only with my husband present in regards to female examinations. This has never been an issue. At my usual hospital, this is flagged on my chart to avoid misunderstandings and so I don’t need to explain. However, since I was bleeding, my midwife recommended I go to a closer hospital, where I’d been seen before (without any issues). I take it on board I should have mentioned it, however as I’d been seen before in the unit only a few weeks before and I’d only seen women providers. Again, I accept this was my mistake.

Unfortunately, when I entered the exam room, the midwife was male. I immediately panicked and explained that I didn’t know there would be a man present. He seemed visibly offended and dismissive, telling me to leave the room in an upset tone. Despite being visibly distressed and bleeding from a miscarriage, I ended up trying to comfort him by explaining my history. The situation escalated with him shouting at me, and none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave.

I was able to get out and to the reception, where I requested to speak to someone in charge so they could help. The male midwife followed me and continued shouting, saying I had verbally attacked him. He even told me to "get over myself" and shared that he also had a history of panic disorder. I felt utterly humiliated and helpless. Eventually, the lead midwife took me to a quiet room, but no one apologized or acknowledged his behavior.

What’s most upsetting is that during both a miscarriage and after sharing my trauma history, I was shown no compassion or sensitivity by this midwife, which is the complete opposite of the amazing care I’ve always received from the NHS, especially during feminine examinations.

I’m considering filing a formal complaint, but I’m worried it won’t be taken seriously. I was later told that others on the unit are afraid of this man and won’t speak up. I went to PALS, and they advised I file a formal complaint with the hospital, but I'm unsure if it will actually lead to any action.

I’m not entirely sure what outcome I want to see, except that I believe the midwife should have shown more compassion in such a sensitive situation. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Will my complaint be taken seriously, and where is the best place to escalate it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

OP posts:
Iamiams · 16/10/2024 15:42

Write it down in as much factual detail as possible OP. Leave the thread as people are confusing the situation and you need to concentrate on what happened clearly to write it down.

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 15:40

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:35

It’s not the nurses, it’s the midwife’s behavior I’m upset with. Sure they could have done more of better, like trying to escalate the situation but the midwife acted horribly

but if you mention multiple nurses blocking you from leaving in your complaint, this obviously will be investigated

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:39

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 15:34

I do believe you

but in your op you say and none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave.
I was able to get out and to the reception

but already it is changing, and understandably so given you were in the middle of a panic attack.

If you are going to complain, you need to be crystal clear about what you’re certain about, and honest about what you think may have been the case but you were in a the middle of a panic attack so appreciate that your recollection may be hazy rather than talking so definitively

I feel like you’re trying to be helpful but I also realize I don’t need you to make me feel guilty about something I’m struggling with internally. It’s not beyond me I’ll need to be clear, but it also shows you’ve never dealt with panic attack or someone dealing with traumatic situation- there are parts of this that are hazy, but the parts I’m clear on are the parts of my complaint regarding his actions. I don’t need to be put through a court of law at the moment thank you. Later is fine but not a day after the event

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Verbena17 · 16/10/2024 15:38

YANBU!
I am so sorry you lost your baby. I can only imagine how upset and traumatised you must be feeling
As well as filing a formal complaint to the hospital, copy that letter to the NMC (Nursing and Midwifery Council).

He was totally unprofessional and inappropriate and certainly not representative of how a midwife should act.
For a woman to be having a miscarriage to be talked to like that and be given the extra trauma of HIS previous medical history is unacceptable.
Fair enough if he had met you in a day to day setting where you weren’t having a miscarriage, he could in theory mention he also has a panic disorder to make you feel at ease for example, but to put that on you when you needed less stress and more compassion, is really poor.

You did absolutely nothing wrong.
He should have realised you were concerned and quietly said “don’t worry, I’ll fetch a female midwife”.

Shouting and being so dismissive to a woman who is miscarrying deserves (imo, as a former student midwife) him being struck off. And yes, I would say the same for a female midwife if they had behaved in that way.

I hope you do take it further but I can imagine that right now, you also need to make sure you give yourself time to heal.

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:35

It’s not the nurses, it’s the midwife’s behavior I’m upset with. Sure they could have done more of better, like trying to escalate the situation but the midwife acted horribly

OP posts:
bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 15:34

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:28

There were atleast 2-3 women in the room. One or two were behind him and one was directly in front of the door. They all moved towards me when I went to exit as though to keep me in the room. I moved back nearer the desk towards the midwife and I believe I dodged them as they came near again and ran out of the room. Again, I was mid panic attack I needed to get out of the room immediately.

Either way, there was no one reassuring me, guiding me somewhere else, there was no one showing sensitivity to me being very clearly distressed. One of the women who had been in the room later said she understood why I was upset but said if anyone had stepped in the midwife would consider they disrespectful.

I don’t care whether you believe me or not. He shouldn’t have shouted at me and he should or someone should have helped me while both miscarrying and clearly feeling distressed

I do believe you

but in your op you say and none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave.
I was able to get out and to the reception

but already it is changing, and understandably so given you were in the middle of a panic attack.

If you are going to complain, you need to be crystal clear about what you’re certain about, and honest about what you think may have been the case but you were in a the middle of a panic attack so appreciate that your recollection may be hazy rather than talking so definitively

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/10/2024 15:31

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:28

There were atleast 2-3 women in the room. One or two were behind him and one was directly in front of the door. They all moved towards me when I went to exit as though to keep me in the room. I moved back nearer the desk towards the midwife and I believe I dodged them as they came near again and ran out of the room. Again, I was mid panic attack I needed to get out of the room immediately.

Either way, there was no one reassuring me, guiding me somewhere else, there was no one showing sensitivity to me being very clearly distressed. One of the women who had been in the room later said she understood why I was upset but said if anyone had stepped in the midwife would consider they disrespectful.

I don’t care whether you believe me or not. He shouldn’t have shouted at me and he should or someone should have helped me while both miscarrying and clearly feeling distressed

And this is what you hold onto OP. He shouldn't have shouted at you.

He knew that by the way and he was probably reacting to his own shame at that knowledge. With more self awareness he would have calmed himself and apologised but instead he projected it out and treated you as 'the thing that made him feel bad' so he verbally lashed out. He would benefit from therapy to be blunt.

MyOliveCritic · 16/10/2024 15:31

Bubblemonkey · 16/10/2024 14:36

I had a male obstetrician, absolutely lovely bloke. Wouldn’t fancy a male midwife though.

Same here. Establishing breast feeding, learning to express, coping with sore nipples, mastitis and heavy bleeding etc I would not have wanted to be cared for by a male midwife. This was many years ago for me but I wouldn’t want it for my daughter who is due to give birth imminently.
Very sorry for your experience OP , it should definitely be reported to the hospital Trust.

Mrsdoyler · 16/10/2024 15:30

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:28

There were atleast 2-3 women in the room. One or two were behind him and one was directly in front of the door. They all moved towards me when I went to exit as though to keep me in the room. I moved back nearer the desk towards the midwife and I believe I dodged them as they came near again and ran out of the room. Again, I was mid panic attack I needed to get out of the room immediately.

Either way, there was no one reassuring me, guiding me somewhere else, there was no one showing sensitivity to me being very clearly distressed. One of the women who had been in the room later said she understood why I was upset but said if anyone had stepped in the midwife would consider they disrespectful.

I don’t care whether you believe me or not. He shouldn’t have shouted at me and he should or someone should have helped me while both miscarrying and clearly feeling distressed

No nurses have ever shown me sensitivity.

They are always too stressed and busy

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:29

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/10/2024 15:28

I'm so angry on your behalf x

Don't let anyone gaslight you into accepting what you know to be untrue.

I would encourage you to write down what you absolutely know to be true now while it is fresh in your head and body. If at any point the memory becomes overwhelming take a breath and pause. Remind yourself that you are in control of the pace here.

Thank you for this. I really appreciate it. I’m sweating just relieving it 🥲 going to leave this thread now but I appreciate all the kind and very helpful replies back. I needed the gut check.

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ttcat37 · 16/10/2024 15:28

@Mummyoflittledragon the roles of midwife and gynaecologist are very different. They’re not really comparable.

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:28

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 15:17

you said nurses as in more than one
was more than one nurse blocking your exit? how did you get past them?

There were atleast 2-3 women in the room. One or two were behind him and one was directly in front of the door. They all moved towards me when I went to exit as though to keep me in the room. I moved back nearer the desk towards the midwife and I believe I dodged them as they came near again and ran out of the room. Again, I was mid panic attack I needed to get out of the room immediately.

Either way, there was no one reassuring me, guiding me somewhere else, there was no one showing sensitivity to me being very clearly distressed. One of the women who had been in the room later said she understood why I was upset but said if anyone had stepped in the midwife would consider they disrespectful.

I don’t care whether you believe me or not. He shouldn’t have shouted at me and he should or someone should have helped me while both miscarrying and clearly feeling distressed

OP posts:
SquirrelSoShiny · 16/10/2024 15:28

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:21

I’d also like to say while perhaps my vision during a panic attack was skewed- especially as I started panicking trying to escape, I’ll give everyone that, what I won’t concede on was that he shouted at a blubbering, terrified woman, who was bleeding and was hyperventilating, who had just revealed a history of sexual assault and was showing extreme fear. I won’t back down on him following me across a busy hospital waiting area to the reception. I will absolutely not back down from that or that he shouted he too had a history of panic attack and he told me to get over myself. He did this in front of many people. I couldn’t shout as I could barely speak.

I'm so angry on your behalf x

Don't let anyone gaslight you into accepting what you know to be untrue.

I would encourage you to write down what you absolutely know to be true now while it is fresh in your head and body. If at any point the memory becomes overwhelming take a breath and pause. Remind yourself that you are in control of the pace here.

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 15:24

these are OP you will be asked

were multiple nurses blocking your exit as per your Op?

And how did you get past them to reception?

valid questions that probably best you’re clear on

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:21

HildaHosmede · 16/10/2024 15:08

none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave

I don't disbelieve that there was an abusive male there...it would hardly be uncommon. But honestly op, this comment - well, this seems so astonishingly unlikely that I think it's also possible that your whole perception of the situation was very skewed.

By all means complain and view CCTV etc but I wouldn't go in all guns blazing at this stage.

I’d also like to say while perhaps my vision during a panic attack was skewed- especially as I started panicking trying to escape, I’ll give everyone that, what I won’t concede on was that he shouted at a blubbering, terrified woman, who was bleeding and was hyperventilating, who had just revealed a history of sexual assault and was showing extreme fear. I won’t back down on him following me across a busy hospital waiting area to the reception. I will absolutely not back down from that or that he shouted he too had a history of panic attack and he told me to get over myself. He did this in front of many people. I couldn’t shout as I could barely speak.

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Coalsy · 16/10/2024 15:21

OP, in your place I would be thinking of talking to the press.
Men like that and organisations that protect them, need exposing.

I speak from experience when I was pregnant with my last child and came across a rude abusive receptionist who shouted and abused me for arriving at an appointment in the hospital early. She screeched at me did I think it was a hair appointment that I could turn up early. Cheeky madam.
I was absolutely shocked and furious.
I had been specifically telephoned the afternoon beforehand and requested to arrive early.

I kicked up a monumental fuss, there were several witnesses, that went to the top of the hospital management and whilst they took it "very seriously"🙄 and she was sent for retraining apparently and taken off client facing duties, I still sent the emails to my two local papers and my local radio station so that it could be read out and discussed.

I didn't go on radio, but I did give them the full background.
It sparked a lot of chat and calls to the station about poor treatment in that hospital, and a couple of pieces in the paper referencing patient treatment.

Just something to think about, not today, but when the shock wears off.

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 15:17

you said nurses as in more than one
was more than one nurse blocking your exit? how did you get past them?

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 15:15

HildaHosmede · 16/10/2024 15:08

none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave

I don't disbelieve that there was an abusive male there...it would hardly be uncommon. But honestly op, this comment - well, this seems so astonishingly unlikely that I think it's also possible that your whole perception of the situation was very skewed.

By all means complain and view CCTV etc but I wouldn't go in all guns blazing at this stage.

Hi- I’ve already addressed this. It might have been that the nurse was standing in the door way- I can be honest about that. But when I went to leave she stood in front of the door way. Someone suggested this could be protocol. I have no idea. I also am aware there are three sides to every story and I am completely prepared for that.

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BalletCat · 16/10/2024 15:13

I'm sorry for your loss and a the traumatic treatment you received in the hospital. I have been through similar and it has never left me.

I would definitely report it to PALS you deserve better.

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 15:12

HildaHosmede · 16/10/2024 15:08

none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave

I don't disbelieve that there was an abusive male there...it would hardly be uncommon. But honestly op, this comment - well, this seems so astonishingly unlikely that I think it's also possible that your whole perception of the situation was very skewed.

By all means complain and view CCTV etc but I wouldn't go in all guns blazing at this stage.

i am inclined to agree

Mrsdoyler · 16/10/2024 15:11

HildaHosmede · 16/10/2024 15:08

none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave

I don't disbelieve that there was an abusive male there...it would hardly be uncommon. But honestly op, this comment - well, this seems so astonishingly unlikely that I think it's also possible that your whole perception of the situation was very skewed.

By all means complain and view CCTV etc but I wouldn't go in all guns blazing at this stage.

I don't think it's unlikely. You'd be surprised at what happens.

My colleague who was recently in hospital and very physically weak. She told me that she refused to take a medication as her throat was too sore to swallow it. She said the nurse came over pinned her down, told her not to be so stupid and forced the medication down her throat and assaulted her.

I remember thinking at the time, surely a nurse wouldn't do that.

Because we think that people in nurses uniforms are caring.

But it was found that the nurse had done it.

Just because they're wearing a uniform doesn't mean they are not cold, cruel or criminals

diddl · 16/10/2024 15:10

It all sounds awful.

What an escalation by him.

He should just have accepted what you said & opened the door.

Mrsdoyler · 16/10/2024 15:09

MrsWinkly · 16/10/2024 15:07

Yep, I agree - the more you look at all aspects of what OP went through, the more enraging this becomes.
Honestly, how dare he, and what is going on with the rest of the staff, enabling his behaviour? Something is very wrong with the culture in that unit.
How much power does this individual have?

I've found that people are assholes everywhere.

That's why you find them in health care.

I don't remember ever getting really kind treatment off a nurse.

Either they were professional and polite but cold,

Or abusive

HildaHosmede · 16/10/2024 15:08

none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave

I don't disbelieve that there was an abusive male there...it would hardly be uncommon. But honestly op, this comment - well, this seems so astonishingly unlikely that I think it's also possible that your whole perception of the situation was very skewed.

By all means complain and view CCTV etc but I wouldn't go in all guns blazing at this stage.

MrsWinkly · 16/10/2024 15:07

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/10/2024 14:59

I'm actually getting more and more angry on your behalf. He centred himself ahead of his patient. I think your body quite correctly 'read' him as unsafe. He deserves a complaint and it may help others.

Yep, I agree - the more you look at all aspects of what OP went through, the more enraging this becomes.
Honestly, how dare he, and what is going on with the rest of the staff, enabling his behaviour? Something is very wrong with the culture in that unit.
How much power does this individual have?