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Shouted at by male midwife mid panic attack

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ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 12:05

Hi all,

Yesterday, I attended the Early Pregnancy Unit for a suspected miscarriage. Due to complex PTSD from a violent sexual assault, I generally can't see male providers without prior notice, and sometimes only with my husband present in regards to female examinations. This has never been an issue. At my usual hospital, this is flagged on my chart to avoid misunderstandings and so I don’t need to explain. However, since I was bleeding, my midwife recommended I go to a closer hospital, where I’d been seen before (without any issues). I take it on board I should have mentioned it, however as I’d been seen before in the unit only a few weeks before and I’d only seen women providers. Again, I accept this was my mistake.

Unfortunately, when I entered the exam room, the midwife was male. I immediately panicked and explained that I didn’t know there would be a man present. He seemed visibly offended and dismissive, telling me to leave the room in an upset tone. Despite being visibly distressed and bleeding from a miscarriage, I ended up trying to comfort him by explaining my history. The situation escalated with him shouting at me, and none of the nurses intervened. They blocked the door and wouldn’t allow me to leave.

I was able to get out and to the reception, where I requested to speak to someone in charge so they could help. The male midwife followed me and continued shouting, saying I had verbally attacked him. He even told me to "get over myself" and shared that he also had a history of panic disorder. I felt utterly humiliated and helpless. Eventually, the lead midwife took me to a quiet room, but no one apologized or acknowledged his behavior.

What’s most upsetting is that during both a miscarriage and after sharing my trauma history, I was shown no compassion or sensitivity by this midwife, which is the complete opposite of the amazing care I’ve always received from the NHS, especially during feminine examinations.

I’m considering filing a formal complaint, but I’m worried it won’t be taken seriously. I was later told that others on the unit are afraid of this man and won’t speak up. I went to PALS, and they advised I file a formal complaint with the hospital, but I'm unsure if it will actually lead to any action.

I’m not entirely sure what outcome I want to see, except that I believe the midwife should have shown more compassion in such a sensitive situation. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Will my complaint be taken seriously, and where is the best place to escalate it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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NotMyCircusss · 16/10/2024 14:32

Dogs and cats are able to have stipulated “no male applicants/owners” when rehoming due to past trauma beatings and assaults by men, but adult human females don’t have the same rights as dogs. Insane.

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:31

Completely valid. At the time, he said “you can get out of my room and go wait more.” But the way he said it- pulling faces of disgust and anger. He said it like he’d eaten something sour and he was very offended. The unit was closing, I had waited 3 hours to be seen. I actually went to leave and it was the receptionist who told me it was important for me to be seen. So it felt like he was punishing me and I felt as though I’d done something to offend him.

I tried to explain so the midwife would understand it was nothing personal but as I explained, he grew more angry, not bc I wouldn’t leave but bc somehow my history and situation were offensive to him. He didn’t see their relevance. I did end up leaving after trying to explain and then he followed me to reception.

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icouldholditwithacobweb · 16/10/2024 14:27

Report, report, report. Who in their right mind would think to cause a woman miscarrying more distress?! At the very least you deserve an apology and he needs some additional training.

BeeCucumber · 16/10/2024 14:27

MissEsmeWatson · 16/10/2024 14:23

Probably won't go down well, but I think all midwives should be female.

Agreed.

Apolloneuro · 16/10/2024 14:26

I’m so sorry this has happened to you. Take care xxx

Katkins17 · 16/10/2024 14:26

Wow...this is absolutely shocking. I'm so very sorry you've had to contend with not only a miscarriage but with what it boils down to, an abusive man.

This man should never, ever be able to work with women if this is the contempt he shows for them.

Please put in a complaint....if you're not listened to...take it further.

You've done nothing wrong, by law you have every right to female only care.

I really hope this absolute dick of a man is disciplined...if not sacked.

MissEsmeWatson · 16/10/2024 14:23

Probably won't go down well, but I think all midwives should be female.

Radiolala · 16/10/2024 14:20

Did you catch the name of anyone else in the room?

Please, please do complain. You should not have to go through this and neither should anyone else.

I’m so sorry for your loss and for how you were treated.

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 14:17

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:15

Thank you- I do. Hes a very sensible, reasonable and quite stiff upper lip sort of fellow. And he’s said make the complaint. He sadly couldn’t attend with me yesterday as he cared for our poorly son so I could attend.

Hes absolutely shocked as he knows how great the nhs have been at all standards of care given my situation.

So if you think you should and your partner thinks you should… that is really all that matters op

Hoppinggreen · 16/10/2024 14:16

Securelec · 16/10/2024 13:56

Complain, but expect PAL to downplay your terrible experience and the nurses probably won't take your side. NHS cover up for each other.

When I made a complaint to Pals about my Mums treatment I was invited to speak to a group at the Hospital about what happened and then leading on from that I was offered a place on the Board as a Patient advocate (I did have relevant experience). I was able to influence a few changes in our Trust, not least how women having miscarriages were treated
So you might be surprised.

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:15

bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 14:14

do you have a partner op?

if so, what do they think you should do?

Thank you- I do. Hes a very sensible, reasonable and quite stiff upper lip sort of fellow. And he’s said make the complaint. He sadly couldn’t attend with me yesterday as he cared for our poorly son so I could attend.

Hes absolutely shocked as he knows how great the nhs have been at all standards of care given my situation.

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CabraCadabra · 16/10/2024 14:14

That's appalling! Definitely file a complaint. Not a pals fan myself I'd go straight to the icb!

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:14

Wolfpa · 16/10/2024 13:37

Nope I am saying that with every thing going on mid panic attack there are three truths. Hers, his and the full truth.

panic attacks trigger the fight or flight response which can mean we experience things differently if we weren’t in that response. For example the people blocking the door may have just been standing there and it felt at the time like they were blocking the door or if in a full panic attack she may have been a danger to herself and others meaning that containment was the best option at that moment.

this is why the independent investigation is needed. It is easy to say that the midwife was out of order but both sides of the story are needed before we start damming them.

I don’t disagree necessarily- it very well could have been they were standing in front of the door but when I went to make an exit they stood in front of me. Perhaps that is protocol, I don’t know. But it isn’t anything I’ve ever experienced before in a medical and professional setting. I had a son nearly 2 years ago at another hospital near by and they handled my care with extreme care and sensitivity. My GP, my dentist, at all levels of medical care I’ve been shown professionalism and sensitivity. This man’s reaction to me was nothing I’ve ever seen before.

I am not above there being three sides to every story- I say this often, but it was very clear the male midwife acted unprofessionally and not according to his code of ethics and conduct, particularly around sensitivity. The head midwife just seemed shocked more than anything.

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bakingwithtrays · 16/10/2024 14:14

do you have a partner op?

if so, what do they think you should do?

CowboyJoanna · 16/10/2024 14:13

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Elphamouche · 16/10/2024 14:12

PALS, without question.

ThisBrickWriter · 16/10/2024 14:08

I appreciate you trying to be balanced. I have gone through my head multiple times about the situation and I genuinely tried very hard to remain calm, despite it being very difficult to breathe or speak. I just started crying and trying to desperately explain. I can generally allow time to pass and see whether I acted irrationally or rudely. I’m not above apologizing for that sort of thing. But every single time I think about it, I think about him shouting me down about his panic attacks in front of an entire waiting area in a busy hospital and then prowling about ready to attack when I was both hyperventilating and crying, as well as bleeding profusely, I can’t help but think this man was very clearly in the wrong. I was very frightened, not shouting, clearly very terrified of what was happening and trying to explain why I needed a female midwife while

this has happened before at another hospital and the very kind male doctor understood completely, a nurse led me to a quiet space and the nurses all gave me time and space to calm down and someone found me another doctor. I’ve never encountered a hostile man in the medical profession, let alone one who did not treat me gently upon learning my history.

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someonethatyoulovetoomuch · 16/10/2024 14:06

So sorry you went through this OP. I used to work with a male midwife who behaved very much like the man you described, so much so I feel sure it’s him. Definitely make a formal complaint, PALS, MNVP, find out the name of the head of midwifery and email them directly too. It is absolutely unacceptable for you to be treated like that by any HCP, you have the right to decline care from anybody for any reason. It doesn’t matter if you’re the first, third or thirtieth woman who has declined his care that day, he behaved appallingly and has no place in the midwifery profession.

dewfirst · 16/10/2024 14:03

I’m so sorry this happened, it is not acceptable in any health care setting. Pure bullying behaviour. I hope you are feeling stronger now.
Complain to PALS in the first instance -but - in my experience you won’t get very far. I’ve had a similar extremely traumatising event at a large NHS hospital ( totally preventable had they read my notes and again due to my CPTSD )
They did their best to say it was my fault and then ignored it.
I left it for a while because I was so devastated but then reported it in writing to the Trust Chair and CQC ; subsequent enquiries are ongoing…..
Ive kept all my contemporaneous notes just in case I have to take it further ; I do think they want you to just be quiet and go away .

Showbel · 16/10/2024 14:03

Definitely make an official complaint
Ask for his name as well so you can refer to NMC
Don't be afraid. He sounds horrendous and is clearly in the wrong job

Kirstyshine · 16/10/2024 14:01

JFDIYOLO · 16/10/2024 12:52

God I'm so sorry.

Please please please do a formal complaint.

Why do men actively go into roles where they must KNOW they will encounter patients who've suffered at the hands of members of their sex?

The absolute lack of sensitivity, empathy and compassion.

All the best to you.

Some men get off on it.

Savingthehedgehogs · 16/10/2024 14:01

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/10/2024 13:49

Do you not trust your own partner or father to change nappies then....

I absolutely would not be comfortable with this either - not with a stranger.

MakeMeATea · 16/10/2024 13:59

Please complain, if not for you then for other women.
They will have security footage.

Sdpbody · 16/10/2024 13:58

ToBeOrNotToBee · 16/10/2024 13:49

Do you not trust your own partner or father to change nappies then....

Yes, obviously.

Would I trust a man I don't know to change my DD's nappies.... no.

Non parental men are far more likely to sexually abuse children.

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