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Do you think this is true about short v tall men?

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Agogog · 16/10/2024 08:05

I had a conversation with a male friend who is about 5ft 8. Very successful, by the way, both professionally and with a lovely family.

He said that tall men are at a key advantage:

  1. More likely to be considered for leadership positions
  2. Higher self-esteem
  3. More successful on dating apps
  4. Study shows that women would rather be with a tall man (over 6ft) who earns £30K less than shorter man

This really unsettled me. The reason it came up is because we were both discussing our sons. His is a year older and is having, finally, an adolescent growth spurt - and looks likely to be his height or taller.

My son is small, no spurt in sight. My husband is 5ft 8. I'm a few inches shorter. DH was a late developer, so i'm not worried yet. But who knows, he might not even be 5.8. I can't control that.

ANYWAY, I was upset last night. I kept thinking - I know my son will never be a giant. Is this really going to hold him up in life?

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ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 16/10/2024 09:50

Most dictators and despots are under 5'8", so opportunities exist for those of us at the shorter end of the continuum...
Indeed, that's probably why they become dictators and despots - they do all the shouty stuff, waving their guns on parades and have everyone in a state of terror just because they have small feet...If we constantly reassured short men that their willies really are as big as the other boy's, they wouldn't become dictators

turkeyboots · 16/10/2024 09:49

My Dad and brother are both over 6ft and people who don't know them well always describe them as "alpha", ambitious and "obviously successful". They are both lovely people, but in no way meet these descriptions! It's v v werid to me.

yeaitsmeagain · 16/10/2024 09:48

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 16/10/2024 08:23

Keir Starmer is 5’8” apparently, Boris Johnson was 5’7”, Alan sugar and Simon cowell are all similar height. They’ve definitely all held leadership positions!

Boris is absolutely not 5'7", Zelenskyy is 5'7" and Boris towers over him.

Alaimo · 16/10/2024 09:48

My DH is 6'5 and is quite insecure in general, and about his height particularly.

Sure, rresearch demonstrates that, on average, being tall is an advantage. 'That doesn't mean that every tall person is confident and successful. Nor does it mean every short person will struggle in life.

anxioussister · 16/10/2024 09:46

On a macro scale - life is easier for the genetically advantaged - being tall / good looking / clever are undeniably factors in the statistical likelihood of a persons success. But as all the anecdata from PPs here demonstrates / there are no hard and fast rules - wider trends don’t usefully apply to individuals and there are plenty of very successful people of all sorts of heights.

definitely not something to lose sleep over.

Catza · 16/10/2024 09:45

RachelGreep87 · 16/10/2024 09:43

Gays care about height too

The OP states that research shows preference of women for a tall man. This research cannot be extrapolated to include gay men preferences. That's all.

ItGhoul · 16/10/2024 09:45

This is really not something you should be 'upset' about. There might be some small statistical evidence that taller men are moderately more likely to succeed in life but it's not in the slightest bit significant, so relax.

FWIW there are five male directors (including the CEO) where I work and I don't think any of them are taller than about 5'10".

None of the men in my family are tall and they've all done just fine in life.

Ozanj · 16/10/2024 09:44

Agogog · 16/10/2024 08:05

I had a conversation with a male friend who is about 5ft 8. Very successful, by the way, both professionally and with a lovely family.

He said that tall men are at a key advantage:

  1. More likely to be considered for leadership positions
  2. Higher self-esteem
  3. More successful on dating apps
  4. Study shows that women would rather be with a tall man (over 6ft) who earns £30K less than shorter man

This really unsettled me. The reason it came up is because we were both discussing our sons. His is a year older and is having, finally, an adolescent growth spurt - and looks likely to be his height or taller.

My son is small, no spurt in sight. My husband is 5ft 8. I'm a few inches shorter. DH was a late developer, so i'm not worried yet. But who knows, he might not even be 5.8. I can't control that.

ANYWAY, I was upset last night. I kept thinking - I know my son will never be a giant. Is this really going to hold him up in life?

Most of the men in STEM leadership positions around the world are Indians / Asians under 5 ft 8. Your DH needs to stop making excuses. Your son can be successful no matter what his height is if he’s clever and confident.

RachelGreep87 · 16/10/2024 09:43

Catza · 16/10/2024 08:16

Weird think to get upset about and is more likely to lead to you giving a complex to your son. Snap out of it. Who cares? There are women like me out there who don’t like tall men. My partner is 5’7”, owns his business, has enough confidence for 20 men and has never been short of dates.
Not even considering that your son may be an aspiring artist who is gay as so has no interest in corporate leadership politics or dating women.

Gays care about height too

Changeyourfuckingcar · 16/10/2024 09:41

It sounds like he’s just a short(er) man himself making excuses for his own perceived mediocrity.
FWIW my brother in law is 6’4 and one of the most insecure men I know. On the other hand, my other sister’s boyfriend is only about 5’6 and the life and soul of every party he goes to, in a genuine way, not a ‘please love me’ way!
You can blame anything/something on height all you like but it’s silly imo to say it’s solely down to height and height alone, as with all number of other characteristics.

Agogog · 16/10/2024 09:40

Seashellssanctuary · 16/10/2024 09:36

Lots of replies believe this isn't an issue for men.

From living the experience I can say it absolutely is an issue. In the same way that male and female stereotype and judge others on different physical appearances, life is tougher for the shorter man.

Of course we all know famous exceptions but they are exactly that.

However, I'm not one for bitterness and life is what you make it. I have a family, a career and I am healthy and happy.

Many people have far greater challenges in their lives.

I will caveat all of this and say that my early teen son has already made it to the giddy heights of 5'8" and I admit to feeling slightly ecstatic for him 🙂

How tall are you @Seashellssanctuary if you don't mind me asking? And where do you feel it's been a disadvantage? You've been successful professionally, you have found 'love'/family

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RevelryMum · 16/10/2024 09:37

No I mean most of the successful men I know are tall but the most successful financially is the shortest but works the hardest

Seashellssanctuary · 16/10/2024 09:36

Lots of replies believe this isn't an issue for men.

From living the experience I can say it absolutely is an issue. In the same way that male and female stereotype and judge others on different physical appearances, life is tougher for the shorter man.

Of course we all know famous exceptions but they are exactly that.

However, I'm not one for bitterness and life is what you make it. I have a family, a career and I am healthy and happy.

Many people have far greater challenges in their lives.

I will caveat all of this and say that my early teen son has already made it to the giddy heights of 5'8" and I admit to feeling slightly ecstatic for him 🙂

Agogog · 16/10/2024 09:35

ShyRedMaker · 16/10/2024 09:33

There's all sorts of bullshit online about what girls like from incels.
Tall men complain they're not hot enough and that's why they're being rejected.
Rich men complain they're not tall enough.
Etc etc.

Also what does 'mean to him and his small mates' mean...? Is he trying to ask them out and getting rejected?

Oh, just cattiness, I think. His height is easy to pick on. I don't think it's anything more, but in his mind it would be different if he was taller.

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cheezncrackers · 16/10/2024 09:34

I've seen the research on this, but as others have said, height is just one advantage in life. Being good looking is another. Being intelligent and well-educated is another. As is coming from a loving, supportive family. Being a decent human being. Having a good sense of humour. Being hard-working, ambitious and/or well-connected - all serious advantages in life.

If you're tall, stupid, lazy and ugly I doubt your height will help you much!

Agogog · 16/10/2024 09:33

I posted the above comment without realising there was a shed load of more comments.

Thank you all. Some awesome replies. I appreciate the time you've all taken.

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ShyRedMaker · 16/10/2024 09:33

Agogog · 16/10/2024 09:27

Thanks all.

I'm not sure it's a minor worry as one poster said - a) worries are subjective b) no one else can determine what is minor for someone else c) I don't want DS's other strengths to be overshadowed by insecurity over his height.

He already believes that girls like tall men, he has already got an internalised monologue around his height - I guess the shite that he learns by osmosis from social media and also the girls in his year who are pretty mean to him and his small mates. I boost him all the time, I tell him he has to love who he is, whatever he is, but the concern is in the back of my mind.

I can't really talk to DH about it because I think it's a bit triggering for him. Whilst he has a big personality, very funny, and ran with the cool crowd at school, I know his height affected his dating and I'm almost certain it's had an effect on his general life confidence.

Of course, this is also down to other factors - personality, the level of support his parents gave him, his resilience etc.

There's all sorts of bullshit online about what girls like from incels.
Tall men complain they're not hot enough and that's why they're being rejected.
Rich men complain they're not tall enough.
Etc etc.

Also what does 'mean to him and his small mates' mean...? Is he trying to ask them out and getting rejected?

HappiestSleeping · 16/10/2024 09:30

wiesowarum · 16/10/2024 09:08

He's not a good example of a small person we should admire really, imho.

I don't admire him either, but to be fair, I only know his public personality and have never met him. I was merely pointing out that it is possible for the vertically challenged man to do relatively well in life.

I know many who I could point to who are better examples, but they are not in the public eye, so nobody would know them.

Agogog · 16/10/2024 09:27

Thanks all.

I'm not sure it's a minor worry as one poster said - a) worries are subjective b) no one else can determine what is minor for someone else c) I don't want DS's other strengths to be overshadowed by insecurity over his height.

He already believes that girls like tall men, he has already got an internalised monologue around his height - I guess the shite that he learns by osmosis from social media and also the girls in his year who are pretty mean to him and his small mates. I boost him all the time, I tell him he has to love who he is, whatever he is, but the concern is in the back of my mind.

I can't really talk to DH about it because I think it's a bit triggering for him. Whilst he has a big personality, very funny, and ran with the cool crowd at school, I know his height affected his dating and I'm almost certain it's had an effect on his general life confidence.

Of course, this is also down to other factors - personality, the level of support his parents gave him, his resilience etc.

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SallyWD · 16/10/2024 09:26

I think it's probably true but at the same time these are generalisations and life experience will be different for each individual. I do know quite a few short men who are doing well, happily married, successful etc. Cillian Murphy is short and very successful and lusted after! As is Tom Cruise. But even in the real world plenty of short men are living great lives.
I have a friend who's short. He's gorgeous, charismatic, always been popular with women. Married, runs his own business. Don't worry OP.

ShyRedMaker · 16/10/2024 09:25

More nuance needed OP.
Of course, our animal brains perceive 'height' as being better, but these studies don't control for other factors.
At a population level, while height is genetic it's also influence by nutrition. Different ethnic groups have different averages.

All those short men who are less successful... Is it solely because of their height? Or due to their ethnicity and poorer background?

Anyway in life everyone has a mix of privileges. I'd say being short is one the least damaging 'disadvantages' compared to having a disability, low intelligence, trauma etc etc.

It's just like saying ugly women have less opportunities.

ImaginativeUserName123 · 16/10/2024 09:25

My older son is much smaller than the younger one at the same age. He really worries about it but he's such a gorgeous boy inside and out. Makes my heart melt. I try to reassure him the best I can. Lots of men I've known who are smaller have been great people and I've known some very tall nasty men.

TwoTallTerrors · 16/10/2024 09:20

ThisHangryPinkBalonz · 16/10/2024 08:42

My teen son is tall and definitely not confident or drowning in girls.
Lots of shorter boys in his class who are very confident.

I worry about my son being tall and going out at night because my dh had lots of problems from short guys challenging him on nights out.

I think as a parent you always worry.

I worry about this too as their Dad has said it used to happen all the time to him

MonsieurBlobby · 16/10/2024 09:18

I think it's probably similar to 'pretty privilege' for women. Yes, it helps a bit (on first impressions). Is it any more of a disadvantage than, say, being a woman, in lots of workplaces? Probably not. Very few people 'tick all the boxes' when it comes to privilege. Your son will be fine.

Hateam · 16/10/2024 09:16

KimberleyClark · 16/10/2024 09:13

I read some research that taller men are more likely to cheat.

Women find them more attractive and so they will have more opportunities.