To think the injections for weight reduction should be offered to the unemployed?

LOL our posts crossed.

Well, actually, the BBC didn’t say that at all.

‘Proposals to give the unemployed weight loss jabs’ (in the byline, not the body of BBC article) are precisely that, a proposed idea that the Health Minister (not the PM) has discussed in an separate article in the Telegraph (which I am going to assume Op has not actually bothered to read or digest).

And these proposals that are not even directly referenced by the PM where the BBC reports: ‘Sir Keir told the BBC the jabs would be "very helpful" to people who want and need to lose weight.
"[The drug is] very important for our NHS, because, yes we need more money for the NHS, but we've also got to think differently".

Ie., PM does not state he thinks it is a good idea to give people these drugs to ‘get them off the dole’ at all. This is an utter lie.

Someone needs to learn to read news articles more critically.

Starmer said:

“I think these drugs could be very important for our economy and our health. One of the biggest pharma companies has decided to invest in our country. That is consistent with our pitch that now is the time to invest in Britain.

“This drug will be very helpful for people to lose weight, and it’s very important for the NHS. It will help in all of these areas.”

But carry on with your alternative reality, I'm out.

The key word is "could". Not "will". The context of the comments that you are severely missing is that they were commenting after the research trial was announced by Lilly and Health Innovation Manchester.

I have encountered OP on another thread. You can post all the facts you want and it will not make one iota of difference.

@llizzie yes! Finally. You were wrong about all of that, absolutely.

One of my friends who has Arthritis would like it to be offered to people with joint issues. It’s so unfair, that as always, it’s the people who contribute least who get all the benefits from the state.

He hasn't acted on this. He has taken no action, he has not announced any action. No govt action will be happening in this regard.

He was talking about a private company continuing research on the medicine that they have developed.

@llizzie I have no idea who you are and I don't recall having ever responded to you before. I am not suggesting you are simple minded. Rather that you appear not to have read or understood anything about this whole topic.

@llizzie probably has an telly from the good old days, when fat people knew their place and didn't go round demanding new fangled medication. And lived in gutters cause they spent their dole money on crisps.

I'd like them to use NHS money to carry out plans that are already in place but which don't have the funding before they put another plan in place without the money to do it.

My T1D husband has been repeatedly told he can move onto a closed loop insulin delivery system (NICE guidelines are now that these should be available to all diabetics, but our local trust has just decided to give them to pregnant women and children). He has jumped through all the hoops he was asked to (gone on courses, submitted no end of data, altered some of his regime) and now because his glucose levels are within acceptable levels, they say there isn't a clinical need. Levels are only in an acceptable range because he works bloody hard at keeping them there - constantly checking, injecting way more often, eating different things at different times. His mental health is shot to blazes from working so hard at managing it. He is now way down the list, behind people who don't take good care of themselves and who aren't doing what is within their capabilities to manage their condition. If the funds were there, he could (for the first time in 40 years) live without having to inject 5+ times a day. I'm aware that obesity costs the NHS a lot of money, but I can't bring myself to be pleased that this is a plan that's being given serious consideration.

Genuine question. Are the injections a forever thing? From what I've heard, they reduce your appetite, hence the weight loss. Surely when you come off them, you get your appetite back ( perhaps even increased) and you put the weight back on?

Does "the teletext on TV" even exist anymore?

@llizzie
I think it's way past your bedtime. You clearly know nothing about weight loss medications, obesity, health policies, medical research strategies, or employment law and practice.
I'm glad you've found a safe space you can discuss your 'reservations' and I'm sure we're all very grateful to have been entertained by you here this evening, but enough already.

I joked with my Mum I should try harder to lose my job which only has a few months to go anyway so a new massive oversight by current div’s in power to make themselves look good for 5 mins.

But in all seriousness my brother who is a paraplegic (through accident a number of year's ago now) and as a more severe diabetic as a type 2 on insulin this mj is one of his last hopes, out of work so no means to pay for it, should be helped in my view.

Let’s hope it opens flood gates to people told to fat to be operated on when it isn’t an emergency - queue weight loss injections for them on prescription to lose weight for that important but denied surgery - no?

Last week as a diabetic offered the soup and shakes diet on the nhs along with 6 other counties in the UK as I’m fed up hearing oh as a type 2 diabetic I automatically qualify for my GP to just blaise write a prescription for mj. I’m fairly insulted I’m active 7 days a week (fit bit proof available for the last 10 months of the year) but got to run with disgusting punches for the laughs.

I will await the red carpet for my unemployment and far more then I can expect beyond the UC. Just another labour insult to working people. Priorities all wrong but nothing shocks me with labour and the so called medical profession.

Am leaving this thread/and muting because I feel my IQ dropping with every post.

No, they may have to have a medical - but that is still privileged and confidential. The employer has no legal or moral right to know what medications a person is taking or for what ailments unless the employee/applicant choses to disclose it. With respect to a health check prior to confirmation of employment, the medical professional is only legally and ethically permitted to disclose whether they have satisfied the criteria required for employment.

NO, AN EMPLOYER DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW AN APPLICANT OR EMPLOYEE IS ON OBESITY MEDICATION. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

I used caps because the idea that they do is totally insane, illegal and contrary to multiple human rights conventions and UK laws.

FFS