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Labour are going to crash the economy/jobs market.

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Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 15/10/2024 11:23

Just a few of the changes
-Making it harder to dismiss a bad hire.
-SSP a percentage of earnings, available from day one of sickness.

And now plans to raise employers NI.

All very well if the employer is Amazon or Google but not so much the independent coffee shop down the road, the plumbers merchant, the cobblers, the florist etc. More expenses and red tape for them but who cares eh. Even if they do survive their costs will have to rise.

Labours plans will have unintended consequences.

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cardibach · 15/10/2024 19:37

Jukeboxjive · 15/10/2024 19:35

@Batmanisaplaceinturkey

I worry it will put people off employing young women.

Why would it?

Jukeboxjive · 15/10/2024 19:35

@Batmanisaplaceinturkey

I worry it will put people off employing young women.

cardibach · 15/10/2024 19:34

Clavinova · 15/10/2024 19:26

Two government sources have told the BBC that senior members of Starmer’s team had contact with the singer’s management over her security arrangements.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg9e0ydjxpo

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Yes. All pretty normal. There was a terrorist threat just before in Vienna if you remember.
Now, about the investment figures…

HotDogJumpingFrogHaveACookie · 15/10/2024 19:27

Nosleepforthismum · 15/10/2024 12:48

Of course they will. In a small business with 3 employees, if one employee is useless and/or takes the piss with their sick days or general absences, they make up 25% of the work force. The other employees and owner have to pick up the slack, lose business and the business owner will still have to pay them sick pay (if they are ill) and can’t get rid of them (if they are just crap). Most small business owners don’t have that sort of money. A good business owner will always make sure his staff and any creditors are paid first and take his wage second - sometimes this isn’t even minimum wage depending on how well the business has done that month.

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There isn't anything stopping a business from performance managing employees and subsequently managing them out. Nor is there anything stopping them implementing an absence policy.

What it means is that workers have the same entitlement to employment rights as their colleagues who have worked there for 2 years or more. And those colleagues are not immune to dismissal either.

Clavinova · 15/10/2024 19:26

cardibach · 15/10/2024 19:19

Why does it matte4 though? What’s the relevance?
I genuinely don’t get it, whoever is reporting it.

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Two government sources have told the BBC that senior members of Starmer’s team had contact with the singer’s management over her security arrangements.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg9e0ydjxpo

Clavinova · 15/10/2024 19:21

All a bit confusing though as the Telegraph has published a photo taken at the concert on June 21 but the caption says August 20;

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/15/starmer-met-with-taylor-swift/

cardibach · 15/10/2024 19:19

Clavinova · 15/10/2024 19:14

The Guardian seems to care;

No 10 refuses to say if Keir Starmer met Taylor Swift at London concert

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/15/no-10-refuses-to-say-if-keir-starmer-met-taylor-swift-at-london-concert

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Why does it matte4 though? What’s the relevance?
I genuinely don’t get it, whoever is reporting it.

Clavinova · 15/10/2024 19:14

cardibach · 15/10/2024 19:07

Am I supposed to care? Think it says anything about anything important? What?
Why the fascination?

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The Guardian seems to care;

No 10 refuses to say if Keir Starmer met Taylor Swift at London concert

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/15/no-10-refuses-to-say-if-keir-starmer-met-taylor-swift-at-london-concert

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Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 15/10/2024 19:13

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 15/10/2024 18:38

FFS - how many tory interns/bots/bs merchants are going to post on here. Like the tories did such a good job with our economy - seems like they fucked up pretty badly to me.

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Anything critical of the current government is not a bot! I despise the Tories and Brexit!

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cardibach · 15/10/2024 19:07

Clavinova · 15/10/2024 18:59

Breaking News on Sky! Grin

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-met-taylor-swift-at-concert-after-getting-free-tickets-13234148

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Am I supposed to care? Think it says anything about anything important? What?
Why the fascination?

Clavinova · 15/10/2024 19:04

Clavinova · 15/10/2024 18:59

Breaking News on Sky! Grin

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-met-taylor-swift-at-concert-after-getting-free-tickets-13234148

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So, did Starmer see Taylor Swift twice? It was reported that his wife did - in June and August;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-lady-victoria-keir-wife-taylor-swift-labour-donation-b2614735.html

caringcarer · 15/10/2024 19:04

SunriseMonsters · 15/10/2024 11:38

The economic conditions of the 1990s are not remotely comparable to today. If you think things are going to be like the '90s today you're going to be extremely disappointed.

I can remember the 'Winter of Discontent'. Half the country was on strike for one thing or another.

Savingthehedgehogs · 15/10/2024 18:59

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 15/10/2024 18:38

FFS - how many tory interns/bots/bs merchants are going to post on here. Like the tories did such a good job with our economy - seems like they fucked up pretty badly to me.

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Or people could just be pissed off and despondent about the terrible start Labour have had…

Clavinova · 15/10/2024 18:59

cardibach · 15/10/2024 17:27

Has it?
Apart from thinking the threshold for WFA is too low I think it’s been ok. Bu5 then I don’t get worked up about manufactured non stories about glasses and Taylor Swift.

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Breaking News on Sky! Grin

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-met-taylor-swift-at-concert-after-getting-free-tickets-13234148

Starmer met Taylor Swift at concert after getting free tickets

Sir Keir Starmer met Taylor Swift when he attended her concert in Wembley, Sky News understands.

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-met-taylor-swift-at-concert-after-getting-free-tickets-13234148

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 15/10/2024 18:38

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 15/10/2024 11:23

Just a few of the changes
-Making it harder to dismiss a bad hire.
-SSP a percentage of earnings, available from day one of sickness.

And now plans to raise employers NI.

All very well if the employer is Amazon or Google but not so much the independent coffee shop down the road, the plumbers merchant, the cobblers, the florist etc. More expenses and red tape for them but who cares eh. Even if they do survive their costs will have to rise.

Labours plans will have unintended consequences.

FFS - how many tory interns/bots/bs merchants are going to post on here. Like the tories did such a good job with our economy - seems like they fucked up pretty badly to me.

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Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 15/10/2024 18:34

Another point I didn't mention earlier, more and more jobs are being lost to AI. Making it harder for employers to employ staff will only accelerate this.

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cardibach · 15/10/2024 18:28

IDontHateRainbows · 15/10/2024 18:27

All the ideology falls apart when the man on the street is running a small business though.

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Where’s the ideology in what I wrote?

IDontHateRainbows · 15/10/2024 18:27

cardibach · 15/10/2024 18:26

The unions are the workers.
Employers can’t exist without workers.

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All the ideology falls apart when the man on the street is running a small business though.

cardibach · 15/10/2024 18:26

mumda · 15/10/2024 18:14

Currently short hours employees are preferred by many small businesses because they don't pay employers NI.

What are the possible consequences of making all employees need NI paying?

  1. Employers turn to fewer staff to make their employment tidier?
  2. Employers keep wanting short hours staff because it gives them flexibility even though there's a bigger cost?

Then throw in the possible end of zero hours and you're looking at hard options for small business.

Labour is the party of the unions at the moment. If they show they can be party of the workers then they will find that they can't also be the party of business.

The unions are the workers.
Employers can’t exist without workers.

Owl55 · 15/10/2024 18:23

YABU

mumda · 15/10/2024 18:14

Currently short hours employees are preferred by many small businesses because they don't pay employers NI.

What are the possible consequences of making all employees need NI paying?

  1. Employers turn to fewer staff to make their employment tidier?
  2. Employers keep wanting short hours staff because it gives them flexibility even though there's a bigger cost?

Then throw in the possible end of zero hours and you're looking at hard options for small business.

Labour is the party of the unions at the moment. If they show they can be party of the workers then they will find that they can't also be the party of business.

HippoStraw · 15/10/2024 18:00

Under Labour PM Ted Heath - the 1973 the 3 day working week caused by a lack of energy with dwindling reserves of fuel exacerbated by the Minor’s strike of 1972.

Ted Heath wasn’t Labour

Leniriefenstahl · 15/10/2024 17:30

EasternStandard · 15/10/2024 17:28

Both parties have dumped it and the pp didn’t talk about Blair expanding it.

Neither did you. As to be expected.

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Why to be expected ? I doubt John major was pilloried like Blair was. Not sure if you lived here then but the state of schools, hospitals and prisons was dire back in the day. Labour had to do something.

EasternStandard · 15/10/2024 17:28

Leniriefenstahl · 15/10/2024 17:27

Yup. A policy started by John Major. Not much criticism of him though. As to be expected .

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Both parties have dumped it and the pp didn’t talk about Blair expanding it.

Neither did you. As to be expected.

cardibach · 15/10/2024 17:27

MSLRT · 15/10/2024 16:34

They don't seem to be doing themselves any favours thats for sure. It has been a bit of a shit show so far.

Has it?
Apart from thinking the threshold for WFA is too low I think it’s been ok. Bu5 then I don’t get worked up about manufactured non stories about glasses and Taylor Swift.