So no extra funding for MH conditions or eating disorders just weight loss jabs!

I.do.believe people with eating disorders would.benefit from counselling and hypnotherapy. It would be a good holistic approach. My friends GP trialled a free gym membership for overweight patients. My friend lost 3 stone in a few months. He looked fantastic. This would be better for people than these injections that seem impossible to get! My other friend was on these injections for a year because of being overweight with diabetes, she hasn't been able to get any more for the past few months!

No we don’t! Where’s the long term evidence? Hopefully this study will provide some and it will be interesting to see the results. I hope it does work, but I’m not going to get ahead of myself.

At what cost and who pays?

We do know.

No I didn’t, you are being over sensitive, I only said we don’t yet know, it’s too early to claim it will save money.

Again, there is a maintenance dose so a huge amount will, and they will know they will , due to cross over from diabetics. You need to remember medication like this has been available for decades. It’s not new. What is new is it being licensed for weight loss.

the point of the unemployed trial is to see what percentage get back to employment, and come off benefits, is there a net cost saving to the country in terms of benefit reduction and reduction in nhs costs. If there is they will role it out further, if not they will knock it on the head,

if this drug costs the nhs a 100 a month and you get say 20 percent of them off benefits, on say an average of 1000 a month, you save the country a lot of money, and that’s before you factor in the reduction of nhs resource costs from blood pressure meds to hospital beds,

This ⬆️

DHSC/NHSE don’t make moral decisions, it’s all about population health modelling and projection with a healthy dose of health economics.

Also op also doesn’t seem to understand what a clinical trial is.

No, you asserted it's pointless to treat obese people since they might just become obese again. I'm highlighting the utter inanity of that "logic".

That’s the whole point of the trial to determine outcomes and whether cost is exceeded by positive outcome or whether it doesn’t so an informed decision can be taken about potential wider roll out or not.

OP, I think having a child with anorexia must be one of the most painful, frustrating, heartbreaking and sad things in the world. It would make me incredibly angry too.

Kicking out against other people is not going to help your daughter. 💐

Are you seriously comparing cancer to eating too much?

Not really, it’s early days, we don’t know if those people will keep the weight off.

That’s the whole point of a trial to test whether it works. Lots of stages to go through to determine if it is successful and measure scale of potential benefits. Cost of this is actually relatively low as a clinical trial with only 3000 participants and by no means guaranteed a positive outcome to support additional role out.

Tackling NH will cost far more than this trial and require total overhaul of the services and its structure - something which can’t happen overnight even if they did throw unlimited funds at it - the biggest hurdle is finding sufficient qualified staff - they are a finite limited resource.

How do we know people who are successfully treated for cancers wont just develop some other cancer further down the line?

Might as well leave people with a broken leg untreated lest they break the other one at some point.

You're looking at it on an individual level OP....it sounds like you think it's about who 'deserves' treatment more. Putting aside the moral/ethical arguments against that, it is in any case simply not how public health funding decisions are made. Obesity and related conditions of the heart, kidneys, metabolic system etc. are on track to become the biggest healthcare crisis the world has ever seen, and the biggest drain on healthcare resources. Tackling obesity head on, medically, properly, is a huge leap forward for healthcare overall.

Yes it shouldn't mean zero investment in other areas, but nobody has yet declared that it does. Money can be spent in both areas, but to imply that this area isn't worthy of investment is short-sighted.

In America obesity levels have dropped for the first time in years. Apparently 3% of the population are taking weight loss medication so that shows a positive impact.

I think more it’s to see if people get back into employment and off benefits.

the point of the medication is to help you lose weight, it’s not a quick fix, to do so you need to change your eating habits, relearn , your stomach also shrinks as you lose weight, making you naturally full longer.

for those who may still struggle, then there is a low maintenance dose you can take to keep your weight down, proven safe, diabetics use it.

so as much as a small percentage will bounce back, or not complete the treatment, I’ve read it on a couple of threads on here, a handful who want to give up, who feel their lives are dull without the food and drink, the vast majority are paying for it privately and if you stick to it, it’s clearly going to be a way to manage your weight for life.

And I agree with that, I’m just saying we shouldn’t be claiming it will save us money before we know.

Jags aren't funded for anything, anywhere within the the NHS on the basis of want. They must be prescribed within specific protocols by a GP. To see a GP is a task in itself. Your entire perception of how access to these injections works is completely wrong.

My friend is 5ft1 and 23st
She's out of work for various reasons, including fibromyalgia. She doesn't leave the house. She's so depressed and is on the NHS waiting list for gastric surgery.
She needs to lose 5% to qualify and she's not lost a single pound.

I know if she was prescribed these jabs they would change her life and in the long run save the NHS thousands in all the other obesity related issues she has! Not to mention the £10k gastric sleeve surgery!

That's the point of the trial..

Because you can take a maintenance dose.

We don't actually know yet what labour are going to do with MH provision.

And this is just a proposed trial which could potentially help save millions if not billions in healthcare and benefits.

So potentially more money for the NHS including MH services.

it's not either/or. It's not that one thing takes away money from another.

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Except how do we know those people won’t pile the weight straight back on again if the root cause isn’t being addressed, in which case, it won’t save us anything, it will only cost us more.

Another fat shaming, ignorant thread. 🙄 @Gr3ySkies What makes you think (I use this loosely as you obviously don't) exposing your prejudice and ignorance is in anyway helpful?

The current system is patently unfair. Why don't you have a problem with that?