Is this going to open a floodgate - weight loss jabs for unemployed

Journalist, yes?

No they're not. There's no shortage of mounjaro.

So you have no source for your totally made up claim?

Just admit you hate fat peoppe

I suspect that the headline and whatever has come out of Streeting’s mouth about this is somewhat of an oversimplification. The policy itself might be more nuanced but the rhetoric, like on many topics, is still firmly aimed at a group of people further to the right than you might expect.

Wow, you really hate overweight people don't you? You should maybe reflect on why you feel this way.

There's obviously a massive disconnect between your understanding of the causes of obesity and reality.
Alongside this they obviously need to be sorting out what is actually sold to us to eat, how it is marketed and why is humans we are so attracted to food that is bad for us.

Well I'd imagine it will only be prescribed for so long if someone isn't losing weight on it. So if someone is selling it on they won't be losing weight and their prescription will be stopped after a few months.

I also don't think anyone will leave their job in order to gain a drug saving them about £150 a month. I think the scheme is for unemployed people, not just people signed off sick?? So they'd have to permanently pack their job in. Can't imagine many people are that daft.

Ditto with the putting weight on idea. If you only just qualify via weight then it'll only take a month or 2 to get under the threshold and then the prescription would likely be stopped. What's the point in putting on 5lbs just to lose it again and then be back at square one with regards to free prescriptions?

Unemployment, the latest thing to blame fat people for.

I say this as someone who is obese and taking mounjaro. I think it's a brilliant tool to reduce obesity.

You realise it will end up saving millions of pounds if rolled out correctly. The obesity health cost is going to be huge and it won't just be for the NHS it will impact all areas of public spending. This is such a sensible idea. Thank god for sanity.

A floodgate to improving the health of the nation hopefully. Lowering risks for people and long term saving the NHS money.

the nation, or just the ones who've eaten themselves into unemployment?

Nobody is going to do that.

A floodgate to improving the health of the nation hopefully. Lowering risks for people and long term saving the NHS money.

Am I unreasonable to be fat bashing

Yes you are OP

Open to floodgates to what?

I can see (with some reservations about long term effects) why there's a case for providing these for anyone obese on the NHS. I'm a bit leery about the idea that they'll be provided only to the unemployed, to (ultimately) lower the benefit bill.

My unease boils down, I think, to an aversion to the idea that the NHS exists to help the economy. I think that's a really dangerous idea, which could lead, for instance, to the disabled getting sub par treatment. The NHS should exist to help people's health. Obviously there will be downstream economic benefits from people being healthier, but that shouldn't be the immediate driver of anything the NHS does.

I can't see any difference in prescribing obese patients gym memberships and weight watchers membership, or prescribing weight loss injections.

I didn't resent paying for my own gym memberships or my own weight watchers membership. Because personal responsibility and also I wasn't ever obese!

This is a brilliant idea. Big article in the Sunday Times advocating just this.

The health secretary wrote: “Our widening waistbands are also placing significant burden on our health service, costing the NHS £11bn a year – even more than smoking. And it’s holding back our economy.

“Illness caused by obesity causes people to take an extra four sick days a year on average, while many others are forced out of work altogether.”

Why would you want to opt out of your taxes paying for people to be healthier? Do you not like people?

Would you like your taxes to not pay to help homeless people find homes, feckless losers eh, and smokers with cancer, own fucking fault, and let's not forget people with car crash injuries, never my fault, why should my taxes pay for that?

According to the article, the trial will only include a fraction of people who would be eligible for this treatment. I interpret that as meaning they will be ring-fencing people who are eligible and off work, and monitoring whether they a. lose weight and b. get back into the workplace.

There are plenty of people who are eligible but who are managing to work despite their health conditions, who won't be included.

Presumably people on the trial will know the aim of it is to get them back into work, and will be happy with this aim, so the results will be biased in favour of success,

People who are happy not working won't be on the trial, so money isn't going to be wasted on this method of getting them into the workplace. A future outcome might be that, if the trial is successful, people whose reason for being off work is obesity-related might be forced to accept treatment or lose benefits, but I doubt that because there will always be reasons people can give for not accepting treatment - they'd only have to say they were suffering side-effects (real or not) and they'd be taken off it.

I agree entirely. But given her attitude, I wouldn’t be surprised if she did think that. And she wouldn’t be alone on here in her loathing of obese people, to be fair

You don’t need HRA ethics for a real world service evaluation like this - so not relevant. It’s not classified as a research trial

But they're not are they? The people who say they want to lie are always told not to.

So you would prefer your taxes pay towards the far far far higher costs of long term nhs care, medications and benefits? That's weird of you.

I would much prefer that people need less support over their lifetime and are able to lead full lives and pay taxes too.