Is this going to open a floodgate - weight loss jabs for unemployed

Who else is responsible for someone eating 5 kebabs a week other than that individual then?

Leptin
Ghrelin
Insulin resistance
Survival of the fittest actually meaning survival of the fattest in human society

Just as a starter for ten...

@soupfiend perhaps I've touched a nerve. As already stated, due to my line of work I do have concerns that this will impact further down the line and I have those concerns for very good reason. Your defensiveness and faux amusement speaks volumes.

There seems to be a misconception that this drug causes weight loss. It doesn't.

For those of us that have tried and struggled to lose weight for years, this drug reduces the appetite and the urge to eat. You still have to diet and exercise, it still takes time and effort and a massive change in behaviours. It assists with those changes.

People can feel superior because they already have that impulse control, or not understand why it's hard for others to have that same control. I already feel shit about it, someone telling me I'm shit for not being able to do what they can doesn't make me eat less - the drug does that.

Dealing with the causes of obesity rather than the effects would be better. But we are where we are, and that also needs addressing.

Who else is responsible for someone eating 5 kebabs a week other than that individual then?

I bet you wouldn't say this about poverty. I've edited your post, substituting fat for poor:

The only person responsible for someone being POOR is that individual but now all of a sudden it’s a state responsibility to make them not POOR. It makes absolutely no sense. People need to take personal responsibility for their own actions.

Plenty of people have grown up in households were no meals are cooked from scratch etc. Plenty of people are so busy that they grab shit food in a stress/hurry. Plenty of people have suffered health problems that have contributed significantly to them getting fat. Also, when you go into a supermarket, aside from the meat/fruit/veg aisles, there is so much shit and unhealthy food for sale.

In addition, if I was unemployed with BMI>40, I'm not sure that I'd even want the weight loss injections. They can have nasty side effects and don't address the root cause of the problem.

Everyone says that mumsnet is full of threads about mounjauro and ozempic etc but I can’t find them, can anyone help me?

And what does that help entail? The Sure Start centres which educated mothers on what to feed their young children, have all but closed. Food education at school, and cooking lessons are woeful. There needs to be a huge cultural change in the way that food is consumed in this Country. Countless fast food adverts on tv, Just Eat rubbish constantly available, around the clock. The problem is massive.

The only person responsible for someone being fat is that individual

There is not a top nutrional/obesity scientist working today that would say that line (or that would have in the last 20 years or so).

So, on balance, who is more likely to be correct? Someone who has studied the topic for several years in a professional scientific capacity? Or some anonomous mn poster?

It's so hard to tell....

Great news, better for the country to get people back into work where possible. It’s about time the government started being proactive rather than reactive. Might help the NHS out.

Except there’s no other way to solve a broken leg or pneumonia than medical treatment. There are lots of other ways to lose weight than state sponsored injections.

Fat people + benefit claimants = lots of poisonous frothing on MN, it seems.

I couldnt care less if people agree with me or not, it makes no difference to my life, what are you talking about

This is another goady fat bashing thread and people are talking utter bullshit. Including you. You're not worried about peoples MH if they have been referred to slimming world and then it doesnt work out for them! What rubbish, well done for all the tropes, 'MH', 'sticking plaster' 'dont know enough about the long term effects' 'lifestyle changes'

Just like you're not concerned about peoples MH if the jabs dont work or they put weight back on, its just fat bashing, or weight loss bashing actually

Someone upthread actually did suggest these drugs are similar to nicotine patches and anti smoking medicine. I thought that was an excellent analogy.

You are ofcourse still working - but it is much much less effort. Thats the point - the medication makes it easier.

Again they help people quit individually (but once off them many went back to smoking)

but things did not change as a society until we started to really target smoking - and it took years. Initially it was banned indoors. Warnings and changed to types of cigarettes that could be legally sold so as to not encourage smoking.

Lots of gruesome warnings on packets. Then cigarettes had to be behind a screen in the store.

What wasn’t forseen was the popularity of vapes and these were not regulated and allowed to replace cigarettes.

So while smoking is much much less common now a lot of people still vape.

We need to take a similar approach to obesity and medicine is only a small part of that.

Semaglutide is a fecking wonder drug, for some people. It is fairly useless for others. The average weight loss over about a year is 6.5kg, not that impressive. Obesity is complex, one solution does not suit all.

Ethically is this just a way to do a large scale trial reasonably cheaply?

I think if people want to access work but can’t because their weight gives them health complications but they are stuck because they aren’t in work so have limited means to obtain healthy food (cost, mobility issues walking to the shops or whatever, self esteem problems) then go for it.

It may help break a cycle for some people to live better more fulfilling lives.

It’s not being narrow minded though is it. Are the obese people considering the cost of their obesity to the NHS? No, so why should everybody else be taking consideration and responsibility for it.

That’s fine as long as you extrapolate this theory to people who break their legs skiing or playing rugby or choose to live near a busy road and get respiratory problems.

So this largely unrest in non diabetics being rolled out quickly is a good thing?!
At least they may have health monitoring, unlike the people lying online to get it.

I wish I could opt my taxes out of the health care available to narrow-minded people like you, and the education of their children.

Fat people masquerading as thin people, presumably.

It is extremely difficult to lose weight and keep it off. Obesity causes huge amounts of illnesses and sick days off work ( costs more than smoking). For the PP who mentioned diabetes, what do you think is the main cause of the huge rise in type 2 diabetes? It's obesity. The amount of money spent by the NHS on amputations, kidney dialysis, etc, due to diabetes is astronomical. If something allows someone to access other therapies while they are losing weight, that can only be a good thing, and it needs to be done in conjunction with other things like taxes on junk food and UPF'S and subsidies on fresh and frozen fruit and vegetables, as well as education and support for those onnthecdrugs. For sime just being able to access work, being able to do exercise or even being able to go for a walk without pain would be beneficial to their mental health. It's like saying people shouldn't have nicotine patches on the NHS because they should use willpower alone, or that someone with severe depression should not use anti depressants because they should just go for a walk.

This is exactly it!

Weight loss jabs stop the constant thinking about food and reduce the ability to overeat. The only issue is once you are off it, it all comes back. So work needs to be done to help the psychological side, helping make and reinforce healthy habits etc.

Excellent post @soupfiend

Is there anyone left who hasn't had them it seems to be the new 'must have accessory'

100% agree with this.