To think it's wrong to refuse to put a father on the birth certificate

a dna test should be mandatory as part of the application if he is not on the bc, and if he is proven to be the father he should e put on the bc.

You don't need to be 'good enough' to pay for a child you father. You are obliged to pay for them, and whether your're good, bad or indifferent it's your responsibility under the law, and the law doesn't discriminate between good and bad men when calling in their dues. This is an entirely different matter to being 'good enough' to adequately parent that child.

you are suggesting men be looked after at the expense of babies.

Don't you think that it is childish to have such a strong opinion on things without caring about the ramifications, when they affect a child's safety?

That's exactly what you are arguing for
As plenty of posters have pointed out your logic will cause harm to plenty of vulnerable women and men already have plenty of levers to pull to harm women. They don't need helping with more quite frankly

It’s about the child’s right to be safe. The recent post where a mum was advised to leave him off the birth certificate was he was a druggie for years on hard drugs and never managed to get clean. I would prioritise my child’s wellbeing and safety, as a tiny baby that’s all that matters. They may well have some emotional challenges later in life because they don’t know their dad, but two things: thats not because he wasn’t on the birth certificate as once clean he could have chased that in court and would have been put on it, that’s because he didn’t try, and 2: the child was kept safe and loved so they could grow up to feel emotions about their dad. Thats a gift and the alternative is far worse.

Put the child first, that’s the most important thing.

How would you feel if your child's father was abusive, took your child without your consent and refused to give him/her back? And you could do nothing about it but wait for it to go through the courts and hope they are returned to you?

If a man's name is not on the birth certificate by her choice, can she still milk him for support? is the baby still entitled to financial support?

Fixed it for you.

Right, because the only way a child knows their fathers name, is if he’s on a piece of paperwork they probably won’t even look at until they’re an adult.

If a man's name is not on the birth certificate by her choice, can she still milk him for support?

I think this is terribly unfair because it would break my heart to have it done to me

I'll forgive you as you've just had a baby - of course it would break your heart, your body and hormones are designed that way!

It doesn't tend to break men's hearts in the same way though. And if it does they can pretty easily rectify that situation. In fact if they cared that much they would have married the mother, or worn a condom.

Not being on the BC has no bearing on the child's knowledge of their father.

I don't think people are been civil because your missing the point of why some people recommend not to name them on the birth certificate. Some mothers fear for their own lives and the safety of their child at the hands of the child's father - naming them on the birth certificate gives men like that an automatic right to see the child and have involvement with decisions that affect the child - often they will just not play ball to make things harder for the mother or to continue controlling them. The mother then has to go court etc to sort it out casuing more stress. A child can know who their father is and the father can play an active role in the child's life without been named on a birth certificate.

It's bad.

But dad can always go to court to be added.

I am getting annoyed at all the sarcasm, rudeness and nastiness in the thread because why can't people just be civil!?

Because you aren't listening, noone is going to change your mind, and you don't seem to understand the implications of what you are saying.

I think the father should only be left off in certain, limited, circumstances. Basically, if the woman doesn’t know who he is eg ONS or a sperm donor. Any other instance it just comes across as selfish. The child deserves to at least know the name of their father, even if the man isn’t in their life 🤷‍♀️

Great, where’s the problem then? Either he’s forced to, or he just takes care of his own admin rather than expecting a woman to take care of everything for him. So what exactly are you concerned about?

I have a friend who was raped, had the baby, and she was advised not to put her rapists name on the BC, by her family. She didn't.

So if your babies Dad was dangerous, do you think he should have the right to take your baby and refuse to return it for atleast a week?

Oh you're absolutely right, women should give men every chance so the poor darlings can decide for themselves instead of having to fill out some paperwork.

Anything else we should do to make things easier for men while we are at it?

I do think though that a woman should only be able to claim maintenance if the father is on the bc.

Why? My daughter's father isn't on her birth certificate because he abandoned her. Thankfully, he still has to pay for her. Why shouldn't I get maintenance when it was his decision to walk away?

No one is denying men their rights to be named on their biological child's birth certificate, if you have evidence of otherwise please show us.