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To not recognise Kemi Badenoch's views on ASD?

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Locutus2000 · 14/10/2024 15:22

The likely next leader of His Majesty's opposition

The Tory leadership candidate Kemi Badenoch has been criticised for a campaign pamphlet that said autistic people received “better treatment” and “economic privileges and protections”.

A pamphlet published by Badenoch’s campaign team at the Conservative party conference argued that conditions such as anxiety, as well as an autism diagnosis, had gone from something “people should work on themselves as individuals” to “something that society, schools, and employers have to adapt around”

I'd love to know what improved treatment and economic privileges I should be getting - maybe I forgot to apply.

What do Kemi supporters find attractive?

Badenoch criticised for pamphlet’s ‘stigmatising’ remarks on autism

Former cabinet colleague of Tory leadership candidate says ‘muddled’ campaign essay does not take ‘correct approach’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/14/kemi-badenoch-conservative-leadership-autism-campaign-pamphlet

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Soukmyfalafel · 15/10/2024 10:27

Maybe we should ask what them what the weather is like in Russia.

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:27

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:24

No, it's a load of utter bollocks

All you need to do is pay to see a private specialist, which is what people with money do to skip the NHS waiting lists of several years. Then you look at what sort of questions will be asked (ADOS assessments for example are standard), then you make sure you are able to answer those questions in a way that means you will be "diagnosed". Then you have an assessment that stands up in court, to your GP, to get benefits. I assure you that it is triflingly easy to do.

I'm a card carrying mental, I didn't need to fake it. I promise you many many people get a diagnosis they do not really need.

TTFN

TigerRag · 15/10/2024 10:26

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:23

You do know how Autistic people work right? We give literally zero shits what anyone else says about us.

Yeah its a spectrum, in fact its a complex 5-6 dimensional spectrum, not a line which is what everyone seems to think it is, from "cute at maths" to "needs 24 hour care"

I don't manage perfectly well. But I do manage to go to work every day unlike the lazy gits I see all around me who have persuaded their GP to sign them off or worse got some long term sickness cover just cos they feel. bit anxious.

As you've been through the WCA you'd know you can't get sickness benefits just for being a bit anxious.

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/10/2024 10:26

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:20

I'm saying that autism has made me especially good at manipulating people to be perfectly honest.

I don't have an EHCP, but I could get one with trifling ease. Getting any sort of diagnosis you want is a matter of paying the right people and saying the right things, nothing more. You can go online and look at people claiming the same things, reddit, anywhere, then you regurgitate those "facts" and lo - you have ADHD / Long Covid / ME / Anxiety - anything you like.

So did you get your diagnosis because you're autistic? Or did you get it by paying and manipulating someone?

Notonthestairs · 15/10/2024 10:24

I dont think you know anything about EHCPs or SN provision Zahariel.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:24

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:23

And yet - it's still very, very true.

No, it's a load of utter bollocks

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:23

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:23

Getting any sort of diagnosis you want is a matter of paying the right people and saying the right things, nothing more. You can go online and look at people claiming the same things, reddit, anywhere, then you regurgitate those "facts" and lo - you have ADHD / Long Covid / ME / Anxiety - anything you like

I have my right-wing lunatic Mail/Express soundbite bingo card with me, and I claim a Full House.

And yet - it's still very, very true.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:23

Getting any sort of diagnosis you want is a matter of paying the right people and saying the right things, nothing more. You can go online and look at people claiming the same things, reddit, anywhere, then you regurgitate those "facts" and lo - you have ADHD / Long Covid / ME / Anxiety - anything you like

I have my right-wing lunatic Mail/Express soundbite bingo card with me, and I claim a Full House.

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:23

TigerRag · 15/10/2024 10:20

You mean "I manage perfectly well so why can't everyone else"? Whilst ignoring the fact it's a spectrum.

You do know how Autistic people work right? We give literally zero shits what anyone else says about us.

Yeah its a spectrum, in fact its a complex 5-6 dimensional spectrum, not a line which is what everyone seems to think it is, from "cute at maths" to "needs 24 hour care"

I don't manage perfectly well. But I do manage to go to work every day unlike the lazy gits I see all around me who have persuaded their GP to sign them off or worse got some long term sickness cover just cos they feel. bit anxious.

Notonthestairs · 15/10/2024 10:21

Why would you have an EHCP Zahariel? Are you under 25?

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:21

Vinvertebrate · 15/10/2024 10:19

I'm autistic. I run my own successful business. I have zero patience for lazy fakers and I seem to be surrounded by them

Then you should know that you are not representative of all autistic people. My son is also “just” autistic, diagnosed at age 3. He will never work or live independently, despite the fact that his education costs the LA more than a place at Eton because the current system is so utterly stacked against children unable to cope in mainstream.

I represent nobody but me. Everyone is different let alone autistic people.

TigerRag · 15/10/2024 10:20

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 09:39

I assure you that getting a EHCP is just a matter of saying the right things at the right time. Given my experience I was pretty good at it. I also know a great deal of people who have got themselves signed off and special treatment for a wide variety of different things that really don't affect them working at all, but yet they still sponge off you and me. And plenty of people are diagnosed with autism without strong evidence, its just a matter of paying for the referral and making the right noises.

I'm autistic. I run my own successful business. I have zero patience for lazy fakers and I seem to be surrounded by them.

You mean "I manage perfectly well so why can't everyone else"? Whilst ignoring the fact it's a spectrum.

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:20

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/10/2024 10:17

I assure you that getting a EHCP is just a matter of saying the right things at the right time. Given my experience I was pretty good at it.

Are you saying you got your EHCP because you just said the right things at the right time and dont have autism at all @Zahariel?Confused

I'm saying that autism has made me especially good at manipulating people to be perfectly honest.

I don't have an EHCP, but I could get one with trifling ease. Getting any sort of diagnosis you want is a matter of paying the right people and saying the right things, nothing more. You can go online and look at people claiming the same things, reddit, anywhere, then you regurgitate those "facts" and lo - you have ADHD / Long Covid / ME / Anxiety - anything you like.

Vinvertebrate · 15/10/2024 10:19

I'm autistic. I run my own successful business. I have zero patience for lazy fakers and I seem to be surrounded by them

Then you should know that you are not representative of all autistic people. My son is also “just” autistic, diagnosed at age 3. He will never work or live independently, despite the fact that his education costs the LA more than a place at Eton because the current system is so utterly stacked against children unable to cope in mainstream.

Notonthestairs · 15/10/2024 10:18

"Labour are polling at 31, Tories and Reform combined polling at 41. It's not centrists who will win the next election, it's a tory party that embraces reforms immigration stance."
If you are combining polling I have no idea why you are ignoring the LDs and Greens.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:18

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:17

Well, then you sir are really very very gullible. And also generous with your taxes. I am not, on either count.

I'm neither.

I've attended more WCA's than you've had hot dinners chum.

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:17

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:17

Yes, I do as it so happens.

Well, then you sir are really very very gullible. And also generous with your taxes. I am not, on either count.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:17

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:16

Ex friends and family - surely you don't think that the exponential rise in people sitting on their arses doing fuck all whilst claiming sickness benefits is based on people really being sick do you?

Yes, I do as it so happens.

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/10/2024 10:17

I assure you that getting a EHCP is just a matter of saying the right things at the right time. Given my experience I was pretty good at it.

Are you saying you got your EHCP because you just said the right things at the right time and dont have autism at all @Zahariel?Confused

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:16

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:15

So if they don't work for you, why are they surrounding you?

Ex friends and family - surely you don't think that the exponential rise in people sitting on their arses doing fuck all whilst claiming sickness benefits is based on people really being sick do you?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:15

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:07

clearly not people who work for me FFS

So if they don't work for you, why are they surrounding you?

SerendipityJane · 15/10/2024 10:11

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 15/10/2024 09:03

I agree.

I think Jenrick will win this leadership contest, but that Cleverly will be the leader for the next election.

Both have been rejected by the 2024 electorate though.

If the tory party is to ever win again, I believe the person to do it has yet to be born.

Saschka · 15/10/2024 10:10

Skirtandshirt · 14/10/2024 16:09

What do Kemi supporters find attractive

”She knows what a woman is!!!” 🙄

Yep, apparently a woman is a scrounger stealing SMP from hardworking taxpayers 🙄

Soukmyfalafel · 15/10/2024 10:10

Sounds like she works in government.

I assure you that getting a EHCP is just a matter of saying the right things at the right time. Given my experience I was pretty good at it.

And this above. Why would you admit to taking the piss yourself then get pissed off that other people that do it? That's pretty dishonest and not fair on people in genuine need, but it doesn't mean everyone does it.

Given that people need tribunals now to just get assessed for an EHCP, I'm thinking this is not genuine. This is a 💩🤖

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:08

Whenwillitgetwarm · 15/10/2024 09:48

I also agree. I think the centrists realise the extremists need to fully burn out or split the party for the party to rise again. A couple of years of Jenrick or Badenoch will result in total humiliation. Cleverly will come back in a couple of years and push them back to the centre and make them electable again like Cameron.

Labour are polling at 31, Tories and Reform combined polling at 41. It's not centrists who will win the next election, it's a tory party that embraces reforms immigration stance.

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