Page 2 | To not recognise Kemi Badenoch's views on ASD?

Locutus2000 · 2024-10-14T14:22:25+00:00

[[https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/14/kemi-badenoch-conservative-leadership-autism-campaign-pamphlet The likely next leader of His Majesty's opposition]] ^The Tory leadership candidate Kemi Badenoch has been criticised for a campaign pamphlet that said autistic people received “better treatment” and “economic privileges and protections”.^ ^A pamphlet published by Badenoch’s campaign team at the Conservative party conference argued that conditions such as anxiety, as well as an autism diagnosis, had gone from something “people should work on themselves as individuals” to “something that society, schools, and employers have to adapt around”^ I'd love to know what improved treatment and economic privileges I should be getting - maybe I forgot to apply. What do Kemi supporters find attractive?

NameChangeUser183794639 · 15/10/2024 15:02

@Perzival

NameChangeUser183794639 · 15/10/2024 15:01

Thanks for this!

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 14:49

NameChangeUser183794639 · 15/10/2024 14:37

Gotcha

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Also laser eyes.

SnapdragonToadflax · 15/10/2024 14:42

MrsHemswoth · 14/10/2024 16:25

I live in her constituency and she is very disliked and it's building... she only just about clung on to her seat at the last election!! She may even lose her seat as this area is becoming increasingly liberal minded and far less right wing thank goodness!!! Many families moved out to Essex from London since the pandemic and many Londoners and their families are less rightwing, hence a Labour mayor. I think if she becomes leader it's will be curtains for the Tory's!!

I agree - I'm in the seat next door and we swung hard to the Lib Dems in the last election, with the useless Tory MP losing a huge majority. I'm certain it's down to the London movers (and very welcome they are too!)

NameChangeUser183794639 · 15/10/2024 14:37

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 14:34

What can I say. Autism gives me super powers.

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Gotcha

Perzival · 15/10/2024 14:37

NameChangeUser183794639 · 15/10/2024 14:33

I had to help write a complaint recently on behalf of a parent with a child with one of the most severe cases of autism I have ever seen. The child cannot even walk properly or talk properly. If something happens to any part of her body (cuts her arm or something) she refuses to acknowledge that body part abd doesn't use it. I was frankly ignorant until then about Autism, only having met so called 'high functioners.'

The parent is at her wits end (literally crying at my kitchen table) trying to get the child assessed and speech therapy commenced. She has been waiting 4 years. A previous attempt to get her assessed was refused or dismissed for some unknown reason and she had to rejoin the waiting list. Two opportunities to apply and attend a special school have been missed by the SEN caseworker. The caseworker hadn't even returned repeated calls or message for nearly a year!

The mainstream school she is at is saying she can no longer attend, even though they cannot legally prevent her attending because it is no longer safe for her or the other children. She currently only attends two hours every other day. The parent has no respite. The child wears nappies at 7 and has regular screaming melt downs. She is receiving no education adequate to her needs. It has been eye opening to see this is what parents with children with SEN children must go through. Quite shocking and frankly derelict. They have to fight, it appears for their children to receive basic rights of provision.

I told her to go private to get the SALT. She couldn't afford it, which has delayed her child's progression at a critical point of her neurodevelopment, but hey, if she finds the cash and jumps the queue the benefit money will make it all worth it I guess! Silver linings and all that🙄

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She needs to get in touch with sossen or ipsea. If she is on a low income and starts an appeal she will may get legal aid and get some assessments funded. There is also a charity which pays for some assessments when parents can't.

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 14:34

NameChangeUser183794639 · 15/10/2024 14:33

I had to help write a complaint recently on behalf of a parent with a child with one of the most severe cases of autism I have ever seen. The child cannot even walk properly or talk properly. If something happens to any part of her body (cuts her arm or something) she refuses to acknowledge that body part abd doesn't use it. I was frankly ignorant until then about Autism, only having met so called 'high functioners.'

The parent is at her wits end (literally crying at my kitchen table) trying to get the child assessed and speech therapy commenced. She has been waiting 4 years. A previous attempt to get her assessed was refused or dismissed for some unknown reason and she had to rejoin the waiting list. Two opportunities to apply and attend a special school have been missed by the SEN caseworker. The caseworker hadn't even returned repeated calls or message for nearly a year!

The mainstream school she is at is saying she can no longer attend, even though they cannot legally prevent her attending because it is no longer safe for her or the other children. She currently only attends two hours every other day. The parent has no respite. The child wears nappies at 7 and has regular screaming melt downs. She is receiving no education adequate to her needs. It has been eye opening to see this is what parents with children with SEN children must go through. Quite shocking and frankly derelict. They have to fight, it appears for their children to receive basic rights of provision.

I told her to go private to get the SALT. She couldn't afford it, which has delayed her child's progression at a critical point of her neurodevelopment, but hey, if she finds the cash and jumps the queue the benefit money will make it all worth it I guess! Silver linings and all that🙄

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What can I say. Autism gives me super powers.

NameChangeUser183794639 · 15/10/2024 14:33

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:27

All you need to do is pay to see a private specialist, which is what people with money do to skip the NHS waiting lists of several years. Then you look at what sort of questions will be asked (ADOS assessments for example are standard), then you make sure you are able to answer those questions in a way that means you will be "diagnosed". Then you have an assessment that stands up in court, to your GP, to get benefits. I assure you that it is triflingly easy to do.

I'm a card carrying mental, I didn't need to fake it. I promise you many many people get a diagnosis they do not really need.

TTFN

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I had to help write a complaint recently on behalf of a parent with a child with one of the most severe cases of autism I have ever seen. The child cannot even walk properly or talk properly. If something happens to any part of her body (cuts her arm or something) she refuses to acknowledge that body part abd doesn't use it. I was frankly ignorant until then about Autism, only having met so called 'high functioners.'

The parent is at her wits end (literally crying at my kitchen table) trying to get the child assessed and speech therapy commenced. She has been waiting 4 years. A previous attempt to get her assessed was refused or dismissed for some unknown reason and she had to rejoin the waiting list. Two opportunities to apply and attend a special school have been missed by the SEN caseworker. The caseworker hadn't even returned repeated calls or message for nearly a year!

The mainstream school she is at is saying she can no longer attend, even though they cannot legally prevent her attending because it is no longer safe for her or the other children. She currently only attends two hours every other day. The parent has no respite. The child wears nappies at 7 and has regular screaming melt downs. She is receiving no education adequate to her needs. It has been eye opening to see this is what parents with children with SEN children must go through. Quite shocking and frankly derelict. They have to fight, it appears for their children to receive basic rights of provision.

I told her to go private to get the SALT. She couldn't afford it, which has delayed her child's progression at a critical point of her neurodevelopment, but hey, if she finds the cash and jumps the queue the benefit money will make it all worth it I guess! Silver linings and all that🙄

GherkinJar · 15/10/2024 14:30

Coruscations · 15/10/2024 09:05

Have you tried to get extra help for your son? Surely you realise that it really is not a case of just being able to say "My child is sick, I want special treatment for him?" It's incredibly hard to get an EHCP, you really do not get one without strong professional evidence. Likewise no-one is diagnosed with autism without strong evidence. If we don't make basic accommodations for autism, we risk losing a lot of valuable people from the working population.

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Not forgetting that some of the most brilliant minds have been autistic and contributed far more than the average person ever will. That's not to say autism is a "superpower", but humans have benefitted enormously from using highly intelligent autistic people to their advantage. In the right setting, many of us have so much to offer the world.

OriginalUsername2 · 15/10/2024 13:45

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 09:39

I assure you that getting a EHCP is just a matter of saying the right things at the right time. Given my experience I was pretty good at it. I also know a great deal of people who have got themselves signed off and special treatment for a wide variety of different things that really don't affect them working at all, but yet they still sponge off you and me. And plenty of people are diagnosed with autism without strong evidence, its just a matter of paying for the referral and making the right noises.

I'm autistic. I run my own successful business. I have zero patience for lazy fakers and I seem to be surrounded by them.

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Perhaps you could write a How To for dummies as it’s so easy, seeing as there are threads of other parents struggling to get an EHCP.

Notonthestairs · 15/10/2024 12:04

My kid was diagnosed at 3 too. I had no idea I was supposed to have drilled her to 'pass' the tests.

Vinvertebrate · 15/10/2024 12:01

Stop spilling our secrets @Zahariel - it took me months to teach 3 year old DS to leg it out of his ASC assessment room and nearly get run over on Bromley High Street. How else can I get almost £250 a month in DLA? It’ll only take me 5 years to pay for DC’s assessment at this rate! 💰

Soukmyfalafel · 15/10/2024 11:56

Maybe it's you know who trying to save face......

Saschka · 15/10/2024 11:50

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/10/2024 11:49

People like me..., who are those "people like you" @Zahariel? Autistic people? Manipulative actors?

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Trolls, I think

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/10/2024 11:49

People like me..., who are those "people like you" @Zahariel? Autistic people? Manipulative actors?

Saschka · 15/10/2024 11:49

sparkellie · 15/10/2024 11:43

@Zahariel 🤣🤣🤣 you're right. All these primary school kids are just faking it. Googling the symptoms and acting up at school and in assessments just to get their ehcp.. 🤣🤣🤣
And you may or may not be autistic, that doesn't make you representative of all autistic people.

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Quite impressive that toddlers know to avoid eye contact and pointing at their three year old screening check! And then manage to maintain that over a five hour child psychologist assessment, and then continue that throughout primary school to get their ECHP!

but somebody on Reddit reckons it totally happens all the time, so it must definitely be true.

sparkellie · 15/10/2024 11:43

@Zahariel 🤣🤣🤣 you're right. All these primary school kids are just faking it. Googling the symptoms and acting up at school and in assessments just to get their ehcp.. 🤣🤣🤣
And you may or may not be autistic, that doesn't make you representative of all autistic people.

Saschka · 15/10/2024 11:13

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:27

quick reminder that people like me don't care what people like you think :)

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And yet you are still posting this drivel…

Perzival · 15/10/2024 11:08

For high rate mobility dla the autism dx does help to meet the tests for smi as autism is legally accepted as arrested or incomplete development of the brain. Ofcourse other tests have to be met too.

Paw5 · 15/10/2024 11:02

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:27

All you need to do is pay to see a private specialist, which is what people with money do to skip the NHS waiting lists of several years. Then you look at what sort of questions will be asked (ADOS assessments for example are standard), then you make sure you are able to answer those questions in a way that means you will be "diagnosed". Then you have an assessment that stands up in court, to your GP, to get benefits. I assure you that it is triflingly easy to do.

I'm a card carrying mental, I didn't need to fake it. I promise you many many people get a diagnosis they do not really need.

TTFN

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Utter rubbish!

It costs best part of £3k ( most don’t have)and you need to have a developmental history as part of the diagnosis. I have an NHS diagnosis as do my children. None of us have gained anything financially from it. We get face to face appointments and reasonable adjustments in meetings and school but that’s it.

Soukmyfalafel · 15/10/2024 10:47

@Zahariel You are coming across like someone who has gamed the system for their own benefit and assumed that everyone else does the same and are all like you. You don't get that most people have to struggle and go to tribunals just to get an EHCP, not to mention don't actually want to do anything immoral and want to stand on their own two feet as much as possible.

The more you write, the more you sound like you have just cheated the system yourself and are projecting, or are just some random that actually has no experience of it trying to derail the thread. The more you write, the more it seems the latter.

You run a business but think you can get an EHCP by telling a few untruths? 😂

Just put the shovel down.

MsJinks · 15/10/2024 10:39

I'm not a Tory and not over interested in the leadership contest as I think there'll be a few changes before heading into the next election. I think both contenders are missing the fact voters go central in the main and trying to pull in the right faction from Reform, though I do think both, particularly Kemi, believe their own views.
However, what I came on to say is that actually Kemi's views, voice, contendership is all I really hear/know about and I have to think a second to remind myself Jenrick is in the race. I guess that any publicity is good in a sense as she'd be the one I recognise and know about on a voting slip - to be fair Jenrick has equally awful views (to me), or good ones to those on that side of the divide so there'd be no real reason/policy/view I could think of to differentiate them when voting either.
I don't think either will really get the Tory party back up and running effectively- I actually think rishi may have done this bit better than going in as PM in a failing party.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 15/10/2024 10:31

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:27

All you need to do is pay to see a private specialist, which is what people with money do to skip the NHS waiting lists of several years. Then you look at what sort of questions will be asked (ADOS assessments for example are standard), then you make sure you are able to answer those questions in a way that means you will be "diagnosed". Then you have an assessment that stands up in court, to your GP, to get benefits. I assure you that it is triflingly easy to do.

I'm a card carrying mental, I didn't need to fake it. I promise you many many people get a diagnosis they do not really need.

TTFN

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This is funny, because you are arguing with someone who actually does this for a living, which is why I know that your claims about massed faking are risible nonsense.

It really isn't that simple, regardless of what some "mental" on the internet claims. Your personal experiences are not particularly relevant either, because whatever you did or did not do is one, lone example, and isn't reflective of either the norm or the majority.

TTFN

You off somewhere dearie?

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 15/10/2024 10:28

I don't have an EHCP, but I could get one with trifling ease.

How old are you?

Zahariel · 15/10/2024 10:27

Notonthestairs · 15/10/2024 10:24

I dont think you know anything about EHCPs or SN provision Zahariel.

quick reminder that people like me don't care what people like you think :)