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Secret phone calls…

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EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 12:23

Dp of 4 years was married to his ex wife for 10 years. They have children. 2 girls. I usually don’t interfere in their co-parenting business, I let them do that in peace but recently the ex-wife asked dp that when making phone calls to his children, I should not be around and so he complied and whenever he has to make phone calls to his children he leaves the house to do so. So obviously I am now thinking what is it that they will talk about that I can’t hear because she is always in the background and will sometimes find ways to involve herself in the conversations between dp and his children. AIBU by asking DP why he has to leave when he must communicate with his children and the request of his ex-wife and should instead make his phone calls where I can also hear what is being said if there are no secrets?

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WomenInConstruction · 14/10/2024 20:28

It is reasonable to have to consider how a baby is going to be supported, and maybe that has to be the first thing to take into account, for now.
It's why contraception is such an important thing for us to school our daughters on, as once you have a baby depending on you, it's all a lot more complicated.
So, maybe you have to make a plan, and maybe it will take a while to create the escape you need... So you decide you're playing a long game, you research your options, work out your steps and work towards to it gradually... Maybe your options will be within reach, maybe it will take time to put the things you need in place (housing applications, qualifications etc etc)...
Maybe some more knowledgeable folk will be doing in a bit to offer more advice than I can.
But stuck now doesn't have to be trapped forever.

Many a tragic novel is based on the human condition of being trapped by circumstance... Which tells you, you aren't the first person to be in this predicament, so don't feel hopeless. Luckily we aren't living in the age where you have to sell your teeth to feed your children (Les miserables)... There are less drastic options for us these days fortunately.

Lemonadeand · 14/10/2024 20:25

Why can’t he just go into a different room? Why does he have to go outside?

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 20:18

Strawberrysherbets · 14/10/2024 20:01

Why oh why are you still with him????

I have no means to start over.

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EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 20:17

To those asking, I have nowhere else to go at the moment as I had to stop working while I was pregnant. Maybe why he disrespects me and maybe why I take it. If I had the means, my son and I would have left ages ago. Im just scared of being homeless with a 7 month old baby….

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BenditlikeBridget · 14/10/2024 20:12

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 18:38

True. I guess there isn’t much he could say to her to make her stop. I just have to get over it

You don’t have to get over it.

You could leave the whole fucking dysfunctional disrespectful lot of them.

Mickey79 · 14/10/2024 20:11

If this was purely about taking phone calls in private, yabu. I always leave the room to take calls ( as do dp and dc’s), Very normal in our house.
I have no idea why you are still in a relationship with this person ( after seeing your update re his cheating).

EG94 · 14/10/2024 20:05

Another case of a weak man that puts his exs feelings and wants before that of his current partner. That lack of boundaries and bollocks is infuriating but add his infidelity it’s obvious you won’t trust him and with good reason. You said he slept with her numerous times, with respect and kindness, find the strength to know your worth and toss this one back. Maybe his ex will re home him

Strawberrysherbets · 14/10/2024 20:01

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 12:50

He had slept with her while we were together a number of times and I forgave him but had asked him for transparency when communicating with her etc. so I didn’t understand why he had to leave the house to speak to his children.

Why oh why are you still with him????

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 18:38

MoveToParis · 14/10/2024 16:52

But what can he say?

DP: Don’t speak about TrinTrin like that
XW: Like what I only said she’s (preferred insult)
DP: Just give it a rest
XW: No, it amuses me

True. I guess there isn’t much he could say to her to make her stop. I just have to get over it

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MoveToParis · 14/10/2024 16:52

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 13:08

He lets it happen. He lets her insult me and doesn’t say anything

But what can he say?

DP: Don’t speak about TrinTrin like that
XW: Like what I only said she’s (preferred insult)
DP: Just give it a rest
XW: No, it amuses me

GivingitToGod · 14/10/2024 15:15

frannygallops · 14/10/2024 12:41

There must be more to this. How would they even know you were there unless you're getting involved somehow. But also, why do you feel like you need to be in the room. Presumably he's talking to his DC not gossiping about you to his ex

THIS

WomenInConstruction · 14/10/2024 15:09

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 14:41

I thought he would want to change for his son. Since he had acknowledged his mistakes but I am now realizing that he might never change and me and my son will suffer for this.

But, he was doing all this when his other two children were in the picture, living breathing in all their childhood innocence...
He was sleeping with their mum even though he had divorced her ... and sleeping with his new girlfriend at the same time... All while his first darling children relied on him and their mum, he took what he wanted and went where he wanted...
The cost to her (their mum) was irrelevant to him at the time, what if she had struggled to cope with the head fuck off it all, would his children have suffered if she had crumbled... He didn't think about that or care.

His latest child was never going to be his lightbulb moment.

WomenInConstruction · 14/10/2024 15:02

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 14:40

I don’t want to regret my son but he is here and I now have to make the right decision to ensure a better future for him despite the turmoil. That is why I was just asking to hear different opinions thats all. Thank you for your opinion and insight. It really makes sense

You'll never regret your beautiful boy!
You'll be a wonderful mum and teach him to be a decent man.
People don't develop a moral compass if they don't already have one though. His boundaries will be porous, firm when it suits, slack when it doesn't or he needs comfort/is bored/resents something...
Some people live a lifetime with partners like that... It can be done, but it doesn't make them happy.
Some people make a trade off, the bills get paid and they turn a blind eye.
Life isn't always a bed of roses but if you find yourself in the manure, you either make the best of it, even though it erodes your soul... or you find a way out and seek peace elsewhere.

Sassybooklover · 14/10/2024 14:57

If he'd divorced his ex-wife and was seeing you, but still sleeping with his ex-wife, then he's hardly Mr Innocent is he?! The fact he's going out the house to supposedly speak to his children, because his ex has demanded it, is plain ridiculous! Unless he told his ex and children you were in the same room, how would they know?! Even if he Facetimed them, you could easily stay out of the cameras way and be in the room or another part of the house, and again unless he told them, how would they know?! It makes no sense to me at all. He could quite easily go into the bedroom to speak to his children, there is absolutely no need to go out the house at all. I'm sorry but I think the reason he goes out the house is to speak to his ex privately, quite possibly before he speaks to his children (if he even does!). The fact he's cheated on you with his ex previously, speaks volumes, as to the secrecy now!

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 14:41

Christmastinsel78 · 14/10/2024 14:04

And why exactly are you keeping him around? Seriously?

Do you think he'll change? Do you think she'll change her ways? Do you believe it's all over between them?

I thought he would want to change for his son. Since he had acknowledged his mistakes but I am now realizing that he might never change and me and my son will suffer for this.

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EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 14:40

WomenInConstruction · 14/10/2024 13:27

From her point of view...
She was divorced from the father of her children, but still had feelings for him clearly as she was sleeping with him either when or after you came on the scene.
God knows what line he was spinning her to keep her on side as a fuck buddy when she had married him and had his children... It was never going to be without feelings for her was it.

Then you put a stop to that (rightly from your point of view - but what did that mean to her at the time, did you scupper her reconciliation hopes?)

Now she bad mouths you and he tolerates it.

I can see why she's upset, though she's directing her anger at the wrong person.

The only question is why two women are allowing themselves to be treated like their feelings are irrelevant while he takes his sexual pleasure (not caring about loyalty to either of you, neither of you are respected) and his ego is massaged by being caught in the middle, with both women focused on their rivalry and competition for him and not his terrible morals and boundaries.

Why oh why would you bring children into this.

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I don’t want to regret my son but he is here and I now have to make the right decision to ensure a better future for him despite the turmoil. That is why I was just asking to hear different opinions thats all. Thank you for your opinion and insight. It really makes sense

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EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 14:32

Rigatone · 14/10/2024 12:58

These poor kids. You and the ex wife have been arguing and insulting each other while the kids are having their phone call with their dad? You need to grow up and behave better.

This didnt happen. We argued once when the children were not there. Because I had asked for all of us to be transparent.

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EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 14:21

Thank you all for your responses…

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loveydoveyloon · 14/10/2024 14:16

She has the upper hand, she slept with him when he was with you, she dictates that he can't speak to his DC (and probably her) while you are in earshot, there is probably more going on.

He might not still be sleeping with her but I bet there are mixed messages going back and forth between them. I'd be checking his phone TBH. I bet she slags you off to his kids all the time too and tells them she can't be with Daddy because you are - you will become the villain in this story however nice you are. How are they with you?

Christmastinsel78 · 14/10/2024 14:04

And why exactly are you keeping him around? Seriously?

Do you think he'll change? Do you think she'll change her ways? Do you believe it's all over between them?

Calliopespa · 14/10/2024 13:51

WomenInConstruction · 14/10/2024 13:27

From her point of view...
She was divorced from the father of her children, but still had feelings for him clearly as she was sleeping with him either when or after you came on the scene.
God knows what line he was spinning her to keep her on side as a fuck buddy when she had married him and had his children... It was never going to be without feelings for her was it.

Then you put a stop to that (rightly from your point of view - but what did that mean to her at the time, did you scupper her reconciliation hopes?)

Now she bad mouths you and he tolerates it.

I can see why she's upset, though she's directing her anger at the wrong person.

The only question is why two women are allowing themselves to be treated like their feelings are irrelevant while he takes his sexual pleasure (not caring about loyalty to either of you, neither of you are respected) and his ego is massaged by being caught in the middle, with both women focused on their rivalry and competition for him and not his terrible morals and boundaries.

Why oh why would you bring children into this.

Edited

Yes it’s all a bad picture op.

You play in mud, you get spattered.

I think the phone calls are the least of your worries.

Calliopespa · 14/10/2024 13:49

Lifeisarealchallenge · 14/10/2024 13:17

Have you read OP's updates?

No I hadn’t.

I’ve posted my own update having done so.

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/10/2024 13:40

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 12:57

They slept together numerous times when I was with him and i forgve him but had asked for us to be transparent with one another especially with matters of ex-wife.

Op sadly no he isn’t and he is back to his old ways. .
Just end it and send him back to her . Honestly he’s not worth it

Nanny0gg · 14/10/2024 13:29

EmpressTrinTrin · 14/10/2024 13:10

I guess not. My son needs an honest father.

Sorry, that ship's already sailed

frannygallops · 14/10/2024 13:28

So she insults you and he sleeps with her multiple times. Even if they phone with you sitting right there you're always going to be wondering if he's seeing her on the side. The phone calls are the least of your worries