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To not understand the snobbery around skiing?

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Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 14/10/2024 06:22

An actual conversation I overheard:

"Virtually anyone can afford to go skiing these days"

Do people really still think like this in 2024? It just seems so classist....

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FlingThatCarrot · 14/10/2024 09:24

RosesAndHellebores · 14/10/2024 06:47

The thing about ski-ing is that it's rarely the main or only annual holiday.

I'd say that's a big misconception. I often chose skiing over a summer holiday as a child. It would be our only trip away from home for the year. And I know quite a lot of others who prioritise it over a beach type summer holiday. It's can be much cheaper than a Spanish AI or even a French chalet type stay.

coffeesaveslives · 14/10/2024 09:24

@LewishamMumNow no worries.

LewishamMumNow · 14/10/2024 09:23

coffeesaveslives · 14/10/2024 09:20

@LewishamMumNow i was genuinely curious as we can't afford to go abroad to ski anymore Confused

I didn't realise you were the thread police!

Sorry, meant to quote the thing you were responding to

LewishamMumNow · 14/10/2024 09:23

stargirl1701 · 14/10/2024 09:15

It depends where you live! We are about an hour from Cairngorm and can pop up for a day very easily. We tend to spend a week in Aviemore in February which is obviously more expensive.

TBF that's obviously not what the thread is about!

Pennnny · 14/10/2024 09:22

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 14/10/2024 09:05

This puts it into perspective

It doesn't put it into perspective at all. Disney is out of a lot of people's price range and they could only ever dream of going there.

MrsAvocet · 14/10/2024 09:21

Surely the expense issue is not so much about the cost of a ski holiday compared to say Disney, or an AI package in the Med, but the fact that it is a Winter holiday, and for most people who do it, a second (or more) holiday?
None of the people I know who ski regularly do it instead of a nice summer holiday, it is as well as. Most people I know only have one holiday a year and they prioritise a Summer holiday, especially if they have youngish children. They could probably afford to swap their Summer holiday for a ski break but not do both. Regular skiers are, in my experience anyway, well off enough to do both, which is why skiing is still seenas the preserve of the wealthy.

coffeesaveslives · 14/10/2024 09:20

@LewishamMumNow i was genuinely curious as we can't afford to go abroad to ski anymore Confused

I didn't realise you were the thread police!

LewishamMumNow · 14/10/2024 09:19

coffeesaveslives · 14/10/2024 09:18

What's the snow like and is there any guarantee of a decent number of runs?

TBF that's obviously not what this thread is about.

LewishamMumNow · 14/10/2024 09:18

Ski-ing is so much more than an all inclusive! I went on an all inclusive in Feb for 2 weeks in Canary Islands for just under 2k for me and three kids (one a baby). Find me somewhere (anywhere - even Eastern Europe) where you can go ski-ing for "only" twice that for a week, including all equipment, insurance, etc. And that is just a week, and as a pp said, almost always not the "main" holiday.

DrowningInChaos · 14/10/2024 09:18

Crazyeight · 14/10/2024 06:29

It is a class thing because it's expensive. But I'd equate skiing with golf rather than a very posh activity. My colleague tried to spark up a conversation with me about black runs in some resort he did as a teenager. I had to point out that I just wasn't from the same background as him and the chances of me going skiing as a child were as much as him going to the rough skate park in our town. He hadn't considered someone 'poor' could have worked themselves into our job. You could see the shock in his face 😛

But if he'd assumed that you would not have had the opportunity to go skiing because of your background wouldn't that have been classist as well?

coffeesaveslives · 14/10/2024 09:18

stargirl1701 · 14/10/2024 09:15

It depends where you live! We are about an hour from Cairngorm and can pop up for a day very easily. We tend to spend a week in Aviemore in February which is obviously more expensive.

What's the snow like and is there any guarantee of a decent number of runs?

stargirl1701 · 14/10/2024 09:15

It depends where you live! We are about an hour from Cairngorm and can pop up for a day very easily. We tend to spend a week in Aviemore in February which is obviously more expensive.

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 14/10/2024 09:15

Fourtyfyve · 14/10/2024 08:51

We don't do more than the odd weekend away in the UK because we can't afford to. DH had to 'justify' himself in office chat the other day because he's 'only' visited a handful of other countries in his lifetime. We're quite happy with our lives and are content to amuse ourselves on a budget.
There does seem to be a lot of snobbery about holidays in general, not just skiing.

But I think basically if you can afford an all inclusive holiday, you can probably find somewhere to ski for similar price, even if you go a bit more off the beaten track.

Most of DH's colleagues also complain a lot about money, and squabble over overtime. And generally don't seem all that happy, and live for 'getting away from it all'. We're all different I guess.

Some people are so wanky about travel and how many countries theyve been to. One upmanship 🙄

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Superworm24 · 14/10/2024 09:14

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 14/10/2024 06:35

See I didn't think it was much more expensive than say an all inclusive somewhere. One of the years in my sons school all got to go skiing, pretty much all of them went, and it's a normal state school. 🤔

My school organised a trip to the seaside because so many students had never seen the sea! We definitely weren't going abroad.

coffeesaveslives · 14/10/2024 09:14

And yet people think skiing is for the elite but have no issues with people going to Disney.

Disney is a once in a lifetime holiday for many people, it's not generally something you do every year.

ImNotAsThinkAsYouDrunkIAm · 14/10/2024 09:12

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 14/10/2024 09:06

Did you miss my post where I quoted an actual holiday with prices from a package company? Which included all the extras?

I despair at mumsnet sometimes, people just want to play ignorant.

Your post didn’t include any travel. If it does in fact include flights, then I’d be very interested if you posted the link to this incredible unicorn of a ski package.

coffeesaveslives · 14/10/2024 09:12

One of the main issues with skiing is that you want guaranteed snow - so yes, you could pay less and go to Scotland or a cheaper resort at a lower altitude, but you then run the risk of nothing being open, or only being able to do a handful of runs.

If you go when it's cheaper (ie late or early in the season) you could well end up not being able to ski half the mountain which kind of defeats the whole object for most people.

CautiousLurker · 14/10/2024 09:12

honeypancake · 14/10/2024 08:41

The trick is to pick lesser known resorts, book flights and accommodation individually rather than a package. Use public transport to get to your accommodation. Austria is generally cheaper. Pick small family-run hotels with just a handful of simple rooms. Go for a short break of 4-5 days rather than a full week. Buy gear at home rather than at resort so you only rent skis whilst there. Pick a day or two of activities that do not require a ski pass (cross country skiing, walking, sledges) to bring down costs. It is still an expensive type of holiday but can definitely be done at much below 10k!

Indeed - skiing in the Alps/France is pricey, but my kids went to Finland and Austria with their schools. Cost was around £700 (admittedly a 3 years ago), they stayed in hostels, 4 to a room, and obviously had school coordinated group lessons where the teacher from school wasn’t good enough (the head of biology taught my eldest to sk). You can still do that as young adults if you can face the dorm set up. As a family, been to Italy as well, but they did do France last year (L2A). That was exorbitant and will get me pilloried here if I list the cost. Some years the kids have skiied and we’ve gone camping, but as my DH grew up caravaning he has vetoed any more tents/cabins now the kids and we are older. He works hard, we have only few years left when the kids will want to go away with us (and are still bound my school/uni holidays) so yes, we do more than one holiday a year, not least so that I can come too.

Essentially, people who are sporty and like being outside in the air after a year in school buildings/company offices often like ski holidays; other people who get fed up of grey British winters and unpredictable summers, and maybe the constant running around after their kids, like a week of guaranteed sun and low maintenance entertainment by a pool/beach (I’m the outlier in my fam, as that’s me). It just different strokes. Different budgets, different interests, different wants from a holiday and different periods family life. There’s no need for the inverted snobbery that British people seem to have for the concept of skiing.

HollyKnight · 14/10/2024 09:11

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 14/10/2024 09:06

Did you miss my post where I quoted an actual holiday with prices from a package company? Which included all the extras?

I despair at mumsnet sometimes, people just want to play ignorant.

Do you not realise £3k is a fortune for a lot of people?? Disney is too. But for a lot of people who want a once-in-a-lifetime holiday, Disney offers more value than just skiing. Especially for young children.

MumonabikeE5 · 14/10/2024 09:10

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 14/10/2024 06:35

See I didn't think it was much more expensive than say an all inclusive somewhere. One of the years in my sons school all got to go skiing, pretty much all of them went, and it's a normal state school. 🤔

This was true at my state school too- but my parents sent me because there was no way that themselves could afford to ski themselves taking a family of four skiing is different from one kid on a coach trip and sleeping in a hostel dorm in the Valle d’Aosta

( my mum went to boarding school in the alps so can ski well, but married down by a long stretch so skiing was no longer part of life once she’d married)

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 14/10/2024 09:08

Natsku · 14/10/2024 08:56

Just priced up the costs of the nearest slope to us (Finland) and its not bad at all actually - 155e for the week equipment rental per adult, 230e ski pass for the week, could get a cottage for the week for 600e. Actually tempted to go now! But of course there's no extra costs for me for flights etc. (though you could do Norwegian Air for pretty cheap, then train then bus and it wouldn't be too bad) that's part of what makes it so expensive so out of reach for many Brits, but there is definitely cheaper ski holidays out there than 10k in the Alps!

Sounds great!
I would totally try skiing for that price especially if you could throw in the northern lights and a dog sled at the same time!

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Ginmonkeyagain · 14/10/2024 09:08

It's a multiple holidays issue. We are a moderately chilly island so most people prefer a waem summer holiday and not many would be content for their only holiday to be in winter in a cold place.

Most people cannot afford two big family holidays a year. So unless you are well off you would have to really really like skiing to go regularly.

Twentybottlesofbeer · 14/10/2024 09:08

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 14/10/2024 06:54

10 grand 😳

I'm sure you can go to eastern europe skiing for much less than that. I guess the alps must be the cream of the crop so to speak

This misses the point. Apart from the people who are purist about skiing as a sport, it's as much about WHERE you ski.

So our DC have school friends who ski at least twice a year in the right resorts in the alps, US is also acceptable.

My DD told me that 'everyone' does Cornwall before the state schools break up for two weeks in July, France or Tuscany in August, Lakes/Euro city break or similar October half term, Carribean at Christmas, then skiing at Feb half term and Easter.

A lot of families who ski, know a lot of other families who ski. Plus I can't tell you how many of DCs friends we used to run into in Cornwall after the private schools break up.

FWIW, I've never skiied and can't imagine a worse holiday 😁

notquiteruralbliss · 14/10/2024 09:06

DH grew up skiing. I don't ski and neither do most of our DCs. We have horses, which is more a lifestyle than a sport / hobby.

xxSideshowAuntSallyxx · 14/10/2024 09:06

ImNotAsThinkAsYouDrunkIAm · 14/10/2024 08:55

Skiing is still prohibitively expensive for most. We have booked DIY for NY week. My husband and I ski, but not for years and years, and this is the first time we will be taking our two kids. So we don’t have equipment, and we need lessons. Self catering it comes to £5k without any food counted, and that’s also not counting the cost of buying clothes and a few ski lessons for the kids before we go at the snow dome. All these faux naive ‘you can do it for a couple of grand for a family of four’ responses don’t include ski lessons, kit hire, etc. Which is akin to claiming it’s cheap to go to the Bahamas because you can stay in your friend’s holiday home. Like most expensive things, skiing becomes cheaper when you actually have money and privilege. When you grew up skiing, and so don’t need lessons. When you can stay in your family/ friend’s chalet.

I do have a good salary, and I am privileged. But our summer holiday won’t be AI, we’ll be going to France self catering for a week. And I recognise that I am very privileged to be able to do that on top of a 5k skiing holiday earlier in the year, and I do it because I have skiied before, and know I love skiing. If I hadn’t had the opportunity to ski before, would be dropping 5k on a holiday that meant I would have to spend less on my main summer holiday? Would I fuck.

Did you miss my post where I quoted an actual holiday with prices from a package company? Which included all the extras?

I despair at mumsnet sometimes, people just want to play ignorant.