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Fathers surname - AIBU

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NC566 · 14/10/2024 00:05

Name change for this one.

I'm pregnant and due in a couple of months.
Father of the child has long-standing drink and drug issues (cocaine). This was kept hidden from me at the beginning of the relationship. By the time I found out, I was already in too deep. Had tried to walk away many times but hadn't been able to. Have tried to help and believed too many times that he could change. He was very neglected as a child and I have a lot of sympathy for his upbringing.

However, now that I'm pregnant, my maternal instincts are overriding any empathy I have for him and his situation. I have ended the relationship and have made it clear that he is to get clean and I want a clean drugs test provided before the baby is born. So far, he has not achieved this.

Due to the relationship breaking down, we'd agreed to double barrel the surname. I have now gone back on this and have said I will only double barrel the surname if he is clean by the time the baby is born, otherwise the baby will be having my surname only.

It's really affecting him but I'm determined to stand my ground with it.

AIBU?
Is it fair to double barrel the surname regardless, as he is baby's father?

OP posts:
Inspireme2 · 17/10/2024 08:39

CrispieCake · 14/10/2024 01:30

Give the baby your surname only. The likelihood is that in 5 years the father won't be in either of your lives and you don't need a constant reminder of how shit he is.

If (unlikely) he does turn things around and show commitment to the child, you can always agree to change your child's name by deed poll later on.

Or it may turn him around to want to parent, drug free or not.
I highly doubt he wont want to know the baby.
The surname - leave it off.

MumChp · 17/10/2024 08:37

Your name. Not dad's.

BellesAndGraces · 17/10/2024 08:36

Codlingmoths · 14/10/2024 00:57

That's true I suppose, although he says he won't be able to bond with baby if it doesn't have his surname.
this would decide it for me- it’s such a selfish petty jerk comment with no responsibility for the actual human being that is his baby, to me his surname is now off the table. Whether he bonds with the baby is up to him and the effort he puts in, baby has no fucking clue if their name is Hepworth-sprinkelnudl or just Hepworth. That just shows the level of petty excuse and I’m such a victim it’s not my fault I’m a shit dad that he’s going to come up with. I don’t have the same surname as my dc, and have bonded with them just fine.

100% this. Two of the biggest things you can give your child are stability and unconditional love. He can’t offer stability as he’s a drug addict who can’t get clean. It now looks like his love is conditional on a name.

Whatamitodonow · 17/10/2024 08:35

With regards to the BC.

if he’s the child’s father he can get a DNA test and apply to be put on. If he does that you don’t have a choice, he will get PR.

have you told your m/w? I’d get ahead of this and tell her everything so down the line if he does start taking steps to get contact with the child it’s recorded he’s an addict and unsafe around the child.

fwiw I don’t have the same name as my children and we bonded just fine. I don’t actually see it as a big deal, there are positives to it and I actually like having a different name.

Naunet · 17/10/2024 08:34

OP, if you’re not married, the baby traditionally has your name anyway, no idea where this idea has come from that unmarried fathers should have their last name used, pure male entitlement I guess, but it’s certainly not tradition. As for his manipulative comment that he won’t be able to bond with the baby if it doesn’t have his name, I think that tells you how shallow his idea of being a parent is.

VanessaShanessaJenkins99 · 17/10/2024 08:32

NC566 · 14/10/2024 00:35

I've felt every emotion under the sun with it in the time we've been together.
I won't let him make my child feel those things too.

Yet you chose to have a baby with him !!!

Hayley1256 · 17/10/2024 08:32

HorsePeopleAreStablePeople · 14/10/2024 00:26

I think it's totally wrong to not put the father on the birth certificate, whatever the father is, he is the child's father and that is part of the child's birth information.

The only way a child should have a blank space under father on their birth certificate is if you don't know who their father is.

You started a while other thread on this and many people confirmed reasons why not to put fathers name on a birth certificate. If she put a drug addicts name on the BC then he has full PR and could just take the child.

OP please ignore Horsepeoples comment and do what you think is right for you amd your child. I personally would not be putting his name on the BC and he can go to court if he wants it to be added.

There is nothing stopping him been a father and a child knowing who he is even if his name is not on the BC.

Igmum · 17/10/2024 08:31

Don't put him on the birth certificate. Don't give your baby his name. If he wants a relationship make sure he is VERY clean (a year clean in a 12 step programme perhaps, where he would have support). Well done for prioritising your child.

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 08:28

Notamum12345577 · 17/10/2024 08:25

So if he gets clean and stays clean, you don’t think him and the child have a right to a relationship? Hopefully he would win access through court, though I know it is easy for mothers to ignore those court orders, I assume from this post that you would be one of those mothers.

Fathers for justice, is that you?

Notamum12345577 · 17/10/2024 08:25

username3678 · 14/10/2024 00:07

Just give the baby your name whether he's clean or not. Please keep your child away from an addict.

So if he gets clean and stays clean, you don’t think him and the child have a right to a relationship? Hopefully he would win access through court, though I know it is easy for mothers to ignore those court orders, I assume from this post that you would be one of those mothers.

HollyLollyMollyJolly · 17/10/2024 08:25

NC566 · 17/10/2024 08:14

Yeah I agree, and I can see it even more clearly now. It doesn't matter how many conversations we have about it, how many times I tell him, or how many times he promises, absolutely nothing changes. It's always been the same, I just really thought that mayybe, his baby might push him to change, even if he couldn't do it for me. But no, I'm not seeing it. Drugs will always come first.

To be fair, he's an addict so the rational train has left him. Addicts often know what the right thing is and will even genuinely want to do the right thing but that doest mean they can do it. The immense lack of self control is the problem. If they could, they wouldn't be addicted.

You're clearly doing the right thing and thinking about your child. He'll have to find a way to help himself to get better and child's surname is the least of his worries.

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 08:25

Hereforaglance · 17/10/2024 06:41

You knew he had issues before the pregnancy dont ude this kid as a weapon to kick him when he is down the child never asked for this it was the adults decision to bring child into this mess yet tje child is going to bare the brunt of it

the OP has done what is right for her child. You’re so sanctimonious I’d bed you’ve never ever made a mistake, right?

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 08:21

Teaortea · 17/10/2024 08:16

I don't understand what the big deal is. He should think he'd be lucky to have contact with his own child let alone be worried about the name.

And supervised contact in a contact centre, at that. Not supervised by a family member in their own home, etc (don’t actually know if that’s a thing.

he’ll only come clean when he’s ready to change his life. No amount of bargaining over contact or name will make him get clean. He’s not scum, necessarily, he has a disease and needs treatment. That doesn’t mean your child should suffer any consequences of that, of course.

elderflowerspritzer · 17/10/2024 08:19

I don't think you should use your child's surname as a bargaining chip to try and get him clean. It won't work.

Just give the child your surname.

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 08:18

NC566 · 14/10/2024 00:21

I believe hair strand test is 90 days.. which, tbh, we don't even have that long left now.

That's true I suppose, although he says he won't be able to bond with baby if it doesn't have his surname.

Edited

That’s blackmail.

Richiewoo · 17/10/2024 08:17

Your baby surname is the least of your worries. Keep him away from your baby until he can prove he can step up as a Father.

Teaortea · 17/10/2024 08:16

I don't understand what the big deal is. He should think he'd be lucky to have contact with his own child let alone be worried about the name.

NC566 · 17/10/2024 08:14

GrouachMacbeth · 17/10/2024 08:07

"wouldn't satisfy him" Poor fucking piece of shit. Getting and staying clean to help you, appreciate his child and hopefully contribute + too much effort, cannot be bothered. Scum absolute scum. Have nothing to do with the filth he is, bring the child yourself with your supportive network, any help from society, state support and positive encouragement. I'm guessing, but I bet you get jack shit help from someone who would choose his drugs, drink and whatever to bring a responsible father.

Yeah I agree, and I can see it even more clearly now. It doesn't matter how many conversations we have about it, how many times I tell him, or how many times he promises, absolutely nothing changes. It's always been the same, I just really thought that mayybe, his baby might push him to change, even if he couldn't do it for me. But no, I'm not seeing it. Drugs will always come first.

OP posts:
GrouachMacbeth · 17/10/2024 08:07

NC566 · 14/10/2024 00:14

I don't think that would satisfy him. He's really hurt that, as it stands, baby won't be having his surname. I don't think middle name would cut it. I've already chosen first and middle name for the baby which, again, he's not happy with, but I believe it's my choice after everything he's put me through and the fact that I'll be raising the baby. It's all about the surname now.

"wouldn't satisfy him" Poor fucking piece of shit. Getting and staying clean to help you, appreciate his child and hopefully contribute + too much effort, cannot be bothered. Scum absolute scum. Have nothing to do with the filth he is, bring the child yourself with your supportive network, any help from society, state support and positive encouragement. I'm guessing, but I bet you get jack shit help from someone who would choose his drugs, drink and whatever to bring a responsible father.

FeatherBoat · 17/10/2024 08:04

he says he won't be able to bond with baby if it doesn't have his surname

What a dick. 🙄

I think you have made the right decision for you and your baby.

HollyLollyMollyJolly · 17/10/2024 08:01

I think it's only fair to give both names since both made the child. However, as a pp suggested, you can use his as one of the middle names so that it doesn't need to be used if he ends up not in baby's life.

If he's not going to be in her life at all now, then just give your surname.

Him not being happy that baby doesn't have his name as per standard is not even worth caring about. Baby deserves your name too for sure. If he won't bond with his child because of it, he has more issues to worry about.

(I know one silly OP on another thread who thought it was a cute thing that her partner was "disappointed" their baby didn't bear only his surname and another ridiculous poster thought so too but that's their business).

Edit: Just read your update sorry. Yep. Agreed. Your surname only or his name as a middle name if you feel you want to keep that connection.

thewrongcolourcup · 17/10/2024 08:00

NC566 · 17/10/2024 07:11

Thank you for sharing your experience.
It's only been 3 days since I've written this post and once again he's fallen back on his promises of staying clean. I think I've already made my decision of registering the baby alone and giving them my surname. The pp here made me realise this can always be changed at a later date if he stays clean and proves himself. I'm not going to bother speaking to him about it again. I've made it clear what he needs to do, and I think he's going to do nothing but string me along with fake promises and not come through, lying where he has to. I'll just let him do him from now, and let him realise the consequences when the time comes.

Move forward and leave him behind.
It’s for the best. Adverse childhood experiences are awful and damaging.
only he can change. A promise from an addict is worthless and at best manipulative.
let him become clean and prove it via court.
mine had to do a hair stand test from his pubic hair.
poor woman who had to sample him 🤦🏽‍♀️

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 07:26

NC566 · 14/10/2024 00:21

I believe hair strand test is 90 days.. which, tbh, we don't even have that long left now.

That's true I suppose, although he says he won't be able to bond with baby if it doesn't have his surname.

Edited

If he would refuse to bond with his child over something so stupid he doesn't deserve to have a relationship with them. I don't have the same surname as my children. It doesn't change how I feel about them.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/10/2024 07:23

NC566 · 14/10/2024 00:14

I don't think that would satisfy him. He's really hurt that, as it stands, baby won't be having his surname. I don't think middle name would cut it. I've already chosen first and middle name for the baby which, again, he's not happy with, but I believe it's my choice after everything he's put me through and the fact that I'll be raising the baby. It's all about the surname now.

Tell him you're really hurt that he can't clean up his act for the sake of his unborn child.

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 17/10/2024 07:19

NC566 · 17/10/2024 07:13

That's another thing I've thought of. Baby won't want his surname when they get older and realise the truth. I've made my decision. Thank you all 💖

Edited

Good call. Best of luck for a straightforward third trimester and birth.