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Fathers surname - AIBU

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NC566 · 14/10/2024 00:05

Name change for this one.

I'm pregnant and due in a couple of months.
Father of the child has long-standing drink and drug issues (cocaine). This was kept hidden from me at the beginning of the relationship. By the time I found out, I was already in too deep. Had tried to walk away many times but hadn't been able to. Have tried to help and believed too many times that he could change. He was very neglected as a child and I have a lot of sympathy for his upbringing.

However, now that I'm pregnant, my maternal instincts are overriding any empathy I have for him and his situation. I have ended the relationship and have made it clear that he is to get clean and I want a clean drugs test provided before the baby is born. So far, he has not achieved this.

Due to the relationship breaking down, we'd agreed to double barrel the surname. I have now gone back on this and have said I will only double barrel the surname if he is clean by the time the baby is born, otherwise the baby will be having my surname only.

It's really affecting him but I'm determined to stand my ground with it.

AIBU?
Is it fair to double barrel the surname regardless, as he is baby's father?

OP posts:
Imbusytodaysorry · 17/10/2024 10:02

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 09:46

Yes you can

No you can’t .

HollyKnight · 17/10/2024 10:01

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 09:59

Let him do it then.
have you ever been around someone who uses cocaine habitually? Would you want them around your v small child?

🙄I'm responding to someone who says addicts don't go to court for PR.

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 09:59

HollyKnight · 17/10/2024 09:57

Yes, he's an addict. But it still doesn't mean he won't take her to court so he can get PR and access to his child. And he won't be denied it based on being an addict either.

Let him do it then.
have you ever been around someone who uses cocaine habitually? Would you want them around your v small child?

Imbusytodaysorry · 17/10/2024 09:58

NC566 · 14/10/2024 00:19

I'll feel the same. I want the baby to have my surname. I also feel that, on a practical level, the baby needs my surname as will be raised in my home. However, if he actually manages to do the hard work to get clean, I think it would be fair to give him that (as much as I really don't like the idea of double barrelling).

This isn’t about him . This is about the baby. The bay trumps him!
He hasn’t changed and he won’t .

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 09:57

CaptainMyCaptain · 17/10/2024 09:55

It appears to have changed in 2006 - long after my time - but still not straightforward and requires paperwork.

I was in a somewhat similar situation to the OP and was persuaded to use his name. We arranged to meet up at the Register office but he didn't turn up and I went in on my own. I was told I couldn't put him on the BC unless he was present so I went ahead - dodged a bullet there. It didn't stop him taking me to court for access 5 years later (when he came out of prison) fortunately he was denied it and we never heard from him again. I got Legal Aid and my barrister put forward all the many reasons why he was unsuitable.

The OP is doing the right thing to protect her child from this man.

My apologies!

HollyKnight · 17/10/2024 09:57

BellesAndGraces · 17/10/2024 09:22

He can’t give it up, Holly. That makes him an addict. An addict who’s already making excuses for why he can’t bond with his baby. Addicts are all about self preservation and I suspect a functioning addict is not going to want it on the court record that his child’s mother initially denied him PR because he’s an addict.

Yes, he's an addict. But it still doesn't mean he won't take her to court so he can get PR and access to his child. And he won't be denied it based on being an addict either.

peppermintteacup · 17/10/2024 09:56

Codlingmoths · 14/10/2024 00:57

That's true I suppose, although he says he won't be able to bond with baby if it doesn't have his surname.
this would decide it for me- it’s such a selfish petty jerk comment with no responsibility for the actual human being that is his baby, to me his surname is now off the table. Whether he bonds with the baby is up to him and the effort he puts in, baby has no fucking clue if their name is Hepworth-sprinkelnudl or just Hepworth. That just shows the level of petty excuse and I’m such a victim it’s not my fault I’m a shit dad that he’s going to come up with. I don’t have the same surname as my dc, and have bonded with them just fine.

Agree, this is outrageous.

Someone so shallow they can't bond with their own child because it isn't named after them is no parent.

Worse, someone willing to sacrifice their relationship with their own child to get back at the child's mother for a decision regarding their name is so callous against their own child that they will probably be a toxic and damaging influence in their life.

CaptainMyCaptain · 17/10/2024 09:55

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 09:46

Yes you can

It appears to have changed in 2006 - long after my time - but still not straightforward and requires paperwork.

I was in a somewhat similar situation to the OP and was persuaded to use his name. We arranged to meet up at the Register office but he didn't turn up and I went in on my own. I was told I couldn't put him on the BC unless he was present so I went ahead - dodged a bullet there. It didn't stop him taking me to court for access 5 years later (when he came out of prison) fortunately he was denied it and we never heard from him again. I got Legal Aid and my barrister put forward all the many reasons why he was unsuitable.

The OP is doing the right thing to protect her child from this man.

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 09:50

Has this thread been infiltrated by MRAs who somehow missed the point of an active addiction to a class A drug on the father’s side? Or they just don’t care??

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 09:49

Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:19

You're not more important than the father - whatever his problems are - double barelling the surname is the only fair and ethical thing to do - I'm also not certain you have that veto. Why do you think your views are more important than his?

Her views are more important because she’ll be the main carer, the person who is able to care for the child because she doesn’t have a substance use problem that makes her unreliable and unsafe around the child. by the nature of his addiction, he is not a stable person.

Threelittleduck · 17/10/2024 09:49

At the moment you don't know if your ex will ever get clean. You, quite rightly don't want him spending time with your child if he's on drugs and you also aren't planning on having him on the birth certificate.
So if he never sees your child and isn't on the certificate why would you give the baby his surname? That just seems crazy.
And ignore the emotional blackmail about not being able to bond with his child if it doesn't have his surname. He's being a twat
Two of my children have my surname and the other has DHs. We both managed to bond with all our children

DinosaurMunch · 17/10/2024 09:48

Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:19

You're not more important than the father - whatever his problems are - double barelling the surname is the only fair and ethical thing to do - I'm also not certain you have that veto. Why do you think your views are more important than his?

Unmarried mothers do have this veto. Only they can register the child and choose the name

Naunet · 17/10/2024 09:47

Fabrador · 17/10/2024 09:36

Because men have women who champion for their ‘rights’ but women don’t have the same group of hand…bachelors? 🤔

😆 I like the sound of a hand bachelors

lololulu · 17/10/2024 09:46

It’s never been a rule that unmarried fathers have their last name used, it’s a very new trend.

  • how new?
foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 09:46

CaptainMyCaptain · 17/10/2024 09:43

Yes and unless he goes with you to register the birth you can't give the baby the father's name if you aren't married.

Yes you can

peppermintteacup · 17/10/2024 09:45

The baby should have only your surname.

foodforclouds · 17/10/2024 09:45

Whatamitodonow · 17/10/2024 08:35

With regards to the BC.

if he’s the child’s father he can get a DNA test and apply to be put on. If he does that you don’t have a choice, he will get PR.

have you told your m/w? I’d get ahead of this and tell her everything so down the line if he does start taking steps to get contact with the child it’s recorded he’s an addict and unsafe around the child.

fwiw I don’t have the same name as my children and we bonded just fine. I don’t actually see it as a big deal, there are positives to it and I actually like having a different name.

This. Get it on record that he is potentially unsafe around the child. Also save anything where he’s admitted to heavy drug use/drinking.

CaptainMyCaptain · 17/10/2024 09:43

Naunet · 17/10/2024 08:44

It's and old, antiquated rule

But it’s not! The tradition is the baby gets the mothers last name, it’s just that historically most mothers were married and so had taken her husbands name. It’s never been a rule that unmarried fathers have their last name used, it’s a very new trend.

Yes and unless he goes with you to register the birth you can't give the baby the father's name if you aren't married.

Emmz1510 · 17/10/2024 09:37

Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:19

You're not more important than the father - whatever his problems are - double barelling the surname is the only fair and ethical thing to do - I'm also not certain you have that veto. Why do you think your views are more important than his?

What an idiotic response.

Fabrador · 17/10/2024 09:36

Naunet · 17/10/2024 09:30

Yes she is more important, she alone will bring this child into the world, she will be the one keeping it alive and nurtured, she’s the one that will be doing the vast majority of parenting.

Also it’s pretty incredible to suggest double barreling is the fair and ethical thing to do when the vast majority of children in this country are given their fathers name alone, where’s the pressure to double barrel and be fair to the mothers?

Because men have women who champion for their ‘rights’ but women don’t have the same group of hand…bachelors? 🤔

Emmz1510 · 17/10/2024 09:35

Name the baby whatever you want. There’s nothing he can do to enforce the baby taking his name in any form as you can register the baby alone and leave his name off the BC. As previous PP said drug tests are meaningless unless he is being tested twice a week! Coke stays in the system only a very short time and no doubt he’ll know how to make sure they are clean.
In the future if he sorts himself out he can go down the legal route to gain parental rights and responsibilities, but you have to do what’s right for baby now.

Naunet · 17/10/2024 09:30

Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:19

You're not more important than the father - whatever his problems are - double barelling the surname is the only fair and ethical thing to do - I'm also not certain you have that veto. Why do you think your views are more important than his?

Yes she is more important, she alone will bring this child into the world, she will be the one keeping it alive and nurtured, she’s the one that will be doing the vast majority of parenting.

Also it’s pretty incredible to suggest double barreling is the fair and ethical thing to do when the vast majority of children in this country are given their fathers name alone, where’s the pressure to double barrel and be fair to the mothers?

CecilyP · 17/10/2024 09:27

I'm also not certain you have that veto. Why do you think your views are more important than his?

What a silly question! OP is pregnant, will give birth and will be responsible for nigh on 100% of the baby’s care. As for not having a veto, OP is unmarried, so free to go to the register office and give her baby whatever name she chooses.

lololulu · 17/10/2024 09:26

@JHound

So often it’s seen as ok to give the baby the surname of just the father. So it should be equally ok to give the baby just your name.

  • I thought this was usual!
AngelinaFibres · 17/10/2024 09:25

Zahariel · 17/10/2024 09:19

You're not more important than the father - whatever his problems are - double barelling the surname is the only fair and ethical thing to do - I'm also not certain you have that veto. Why do you think your views are more important than his?

Now this is truly hilarious. You've really taken the ' be kind' bullshit and run with it haven't you.