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Is my child in danger at school?

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Softheart15 · 13/10/2024 22:42

Hi, a boy in my daughter’s year punched her friend in the throat and kicked another in her stomach, he recently struck again on another child but this time much worse, kid ended up
in hospital again unprovoked! Turns out he’s got anger issues and does MMA so lashes out randomly and whoever is there gets it! School are brushing his behaviour under the carpet but I’m worried and have raised this with the head only to be dismissed as have other parents.He was suspended for two day so we’re all waiting for him to strike again but he gets worse with each attack. I spoke to
some of the parents and turns out he’s been doing it inside/outside of school for years! His parents are total Aholes and don’t care and his mum even told another mother to talk to her and not the school but I don’t want it to be my child next. Am I making a big deal for nothing?

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FranceIsWhereItsAt · 15/10/2024 20:11

Slightly off topic, but I watched 'Crimewatch Live' this morning, and they featured a young man who died from ONE PUNCH, as a music festival. This really hit home with me, how easy it is for an angry person to kill someone with one lucky/unlucky punch. Therefore, if this school isn't capable of handling a child with violent tendencies, then I would be taking my child out of there right away.

Also, as a teenager in school, I was punched in the face by a lad who was 2 years above me, simply because I told him to 'watch out', after he accidentally banged his school bag into me. I reported it to a teacher, but absolutely NO action was taken. because the staff were scared of the boy/man, who was over 6 feet tall, and well built. This was in the days before violence became the problem that it is in schools today, and thankfully I wasn't badly hurt. However, if the school feel they are unable to deal with violence, then surely THEY should be calling in the police? This sort of behaviour just IS NOT acceptable, and shouldn't be swept under the carpet for ANY reason, so if school won't or can't deal with it, then the police MUST be involved.

Softheart15 · 15/10/2024 19:52

@ReadingInTheRain583 actually I can because there are no records of hun when I spoke to them and explained the situation. Even though they sympathise, the told me what they told the other parents, the school needs to do a referral.

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Softheart15 · 15/10/2024 19:51

@Macaroninecklace theres loads of us looking at different secondary schools, such a shame as the school has a great reputation externally due to its age but completely failed with safeguarding and is putting its own interest ahead of protecting the children.

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ReadingInTheRain583 · 15/10/2024 19:42

Softheart15 · 15/10/2024 15:23

@stichguru SS can’t help even if they want to, the school has to refer the child which turns out they have not done!

Again, and with respect, you just cannot know that for certain. School cannot disclose such things.

stichguru · 15/10/2024 17:58

Softheart15 · 15/10/2024 15:21

Social services cannot act as it needs to come from school and they have not reported him. A number of parents have already tried and so did I but we all got the same answer. Independent schools ofstead said they don’t deal with this and have refered me onto department of education. Such a shame as I’m being fobbed of and every Institute is referring me back to the school, who are going to do absolutely nothing!

https://www.isc.co.uk/schools/sub-pages/safeguarding-children/ You need to do some more research, but from the 5 mins I've done, isc, appears to be the equivalent to Ofsted for private schools.

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2024 16:22

https://www.isi.net/safeguarding/raise-a-concern/overview

The Department for Education cannot investigate or intervene in individual complaints about independent schools. However, the Department for Education has certain powers as a regulator if an independent school is not meeting standards set by Department for Education for:

• education
• pupil welfare and health and safety
• school premises
• staff suitability
• making information available to parents
• spiritual, moral, social or cultural development of students
If you have a concern about an independent school, relating to the standards, you should report it to Department for Education.

They can use the information in one of three ways: to either bring forward a future school inspection, ask ISI to do an additional inspection to look at pupil welfare, health and safety or to ask ISI to take the concerns it has received into account when the school is next inspected.

Softheart15 · 15/10/2024 15:23

@stichguru SS can’t help even if they want to, the school has to refer the child which turns out they have not done!

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Softheart15 · 15/10/2024 15:21

Social services cannot act as it needs to come from school and they have not reported him. A number of parents have already tried and so did I but we all got the same answer. Independent schools ofstead said they don’t deal with this and have refered me onto department of education. Such a shame as I’m being fobbed of and every Institute is referring me back to the school, who are going to do absolutely nothing!

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RedToothBrush · 15/10/2024 07:55

RampantIvy · 15/10/2024 06:14

I don't think Ofsted have any jurisdiction over private schools @stichguru

Some are under Ofsted. Some are under the private school equivalent.

So there is this level of oversight. You just have to identify the relevant one.

Ozanj · 15/10/2024 07:08

If it’s a private school then contacting the police will get them to take it seriously.

RampantIvy · 15/10/2024 06:14

I don't think Ofsted have any jurisdiction over private schools @stichguru

stichguru · 14/10/2024 23:23

Definitely report to Ofsted and social services. I'm surprised given it's a private school. Pessimistically I do wonder whether the school in under subscribed, and are more concerned about keeping the place full, than the impact of the kid's behaviour.

rosesaredeadvioletsaretoo · 14/10/2024 23:21

Hi OP. I’m a teacher, here’s what I’d do:

  • Team up with other parents. Find a group of other parents who are scared about this and serious about stopping it
  • Arrange a meeting with the head, turn up as a group and let him know how serious you are and the next actions you will take if this child remains in school after his violent attacks.
  • Contact the police - try to encourage the parents of injured children to make reports if they haven’t. Also go as concerned parents for advice to report the situation
  • If this doesn’t help, refuse to send your child to school (as a group) until this is sorted and let the school know why. If there is a bigger group of you, this will be more effective
  • If nothing else helps, I’d contact the papers! (As a last resort.)

This is really serious. All it would take is a child falling back and hitting their head, or falling back down the stairs… the next person attacked could be killed. Find other parents and team up. The bigger the better. The school wants to brush this under the rug - don’t let them. Make a huge fuss.

mm81736 · 14/10/2024 23:11

Coruscations · 14/10/2024 22:54

It's a private school. It's not hard for them.

It is a lot harder if they have a special need

Coruscations · 14/10/2024 22:54

Skybluepinky · 14/10/2024 14:09

The joys of inclusion, it’s hard for schools to get rid of these children.

It's a private school. It's not hard for them.

Hoppinggreen · 14/10/2024 14:42

LostittoBostik · 14/10/2024 11:51

Exactly right.

Another reason why everyone obsessed with private education should give their head a wobble. All decisions are financially motivated, not based on welfare

Really?
So perhaps you can explain why the girl who bullied my DD at her Private school was expelled while my friend whose daughter is at the well regarded State school nearby had to remove and homeschool her daughter as the school couldn't remove the bully?
I sit on an exclusion panel for our local State school and we keep kids who I know would have had been expelled for far less at my sons Private school
Private schools do not keep violent or disruptive children as the Parents of the other children have too much power and there are no exclusion panels in most cases, they just ask them to leave.

Skybluepinky · 14/10/2024 14:09

The joys of inclusion, it’s hard for schools to get rid of these children.

mm81736 · 14/10/2024 13:50

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 14/10/2024 11:09

Children have been hospitalised by the direct actions of this child - SEN or not, the other children have a right to a safe learning space. I'm sorry but I really question the sanity of people that ask this question. SEN doesn't mean we tiptoe round the child giving them carte blanche to behave however they like. Same to @Treeinthesky you said "So he's adhd and hits out" which is a wonderful armchair diagnosis of a completely anonymous child who you've been told punched her friend in the throat and kicked another in her stomach. Sorry you feel picked on by the parents of the kid who's iPad yours broke, but maybe you should extend your sympathy to the literal children who are being injured instead.

Where did I say it was okay, or where did I day he had a SEN. I said you can't possibly know whether he has SEN or not, and also you don't know tge school are brushing it under the carpet.You do not know what actions they have taken and what agencies are involved.
Please do not put words in my mouth.

Trumptonagain · 14/10/2024 13:35

If its money orientated I'd have thought it would be in the best interest for the HT to clamp down on this type of behaviour in so much as I'd be more concerned I'd lose multiple paying pupils if parents did decide to pull their DC out.

Not to mention the reputation it could be having on a school with my name on the headed paper.

RampantIvy · 14/10/2024 12:38

Softheart15 · 14/10/2024 12:36

@mm81736 he’s back in school and takes part in all the activities as normal. Only punishment he got for the putting a kid in hospital was two days suspension. I told my daughter to run if she sees him coming even if it’s the dinner queue. We really are considering moving both kids out as she can’t avoid him for the next 6 years!

Do that and tell the school why.

Softheart15 · 14/10/2024 12:36

@mm81736 he’s back in school and takes part in all the activities as normal. Only punishment he got for the putting a kid in hospital was two days suspension. I told my daughter to run if she sees him coming even if it’s the dinner queue. We really are considering moving both kids out as she can’t avoid him for the next 6 years!

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Softheart15 · 14/10/2024 12:30

@Dolphinnoises the headteacher

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LostittoBostik · 14/10/2024 11:53

Theunamedcat · 14/10/2024 06:37

In primary it's really hard to permanently exclude a child in secondary they can throw them out faster my sons bully lasted till October

It's a private school. They can do what they like

LostittoBostik · 14/10/2024 11:53

Alongthepineconetrail · 14/10/2024 06:19

Don't talk to the school or the parents just report the incidents to the police, you'll be doing the boy a favour in the long run if he's picked up now.

Agree

LostittoBostik · 14/10/2024 11:51

Thisismynewusernamedoyoulikeit · 13/10/2024 23:41

I'm shocked that it's a private school (which makes me sad on a wider level that it would have been more understandable in a state school).

Does the school end at year 6? I'm wondering if their reticence to expel is because they've only got a year to go, and would struggle to replace the child (and his fees)

Exactly right.

Another reason why everyone obsessed with private education should give their head a wobble. All decisions are financially motivated, not based on welfare

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