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Is my child in danger at school?

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Softheart15 · 13/10/2024 22:42

Hi, a boy in my daughter’s year punched her friend in the throat and kicked another in her stomach, he recently struck again on another child but this time much worse, kid ended up
in hospital again unprovoked! Turns out he’s got anger issues and does MMA so lashes out randomly and whoever is there gets it! School are brushing his behaviour under the carpet but I’m worried and have raised this with the head only to be dismissed as have other parents.He was suspended for two day so we’re all waiting for him to strike again but he gets worse with each attack. I spoke to
some of the parents and turns out he’s been doing it inside/outside of school for years! His parents are total Aholes and don’t care and his mum even told another mother to talk to her and not the school but I don’t want it to be my child next. Am I making a big deal for nothing?

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EinsteinsFineWine · 17/10/2024 12:09

Silvertulips · 17/10/2024 07:18

there's a violent 10 year old at my daughter's school, no he hasn't attacked my daughter but someone else got hurt, go and DO something" my eyes would be rolling so far back in my head that I may never see forwards again

And yet if I reported witnessing a crime in the street the police would investigate - they wouldn’t ask if we were related - children have less rights than adults.

The OP has not witnessed these attacks.

If you reported having it on good authority that John beat up Mavis then the police might eventually pop round for a word, it's true.
It's not that adults have greater protection than children; it's that the "thug" child in question has greater protection from accusations than an adult accused of a crime. Because an adult is considered fully responsible for their actions, in most cases, and can generally defend themselves from malicious accusations should these occur.

Imagine if the child reported was in fact innocent. Let's say another parent has decided that they cannot stand you and want to emotionally hurt you very badly, so they phone the police and tell them that they have heard from a reliable source that your 10 year old son Milo has attacked two children in his school. Not their child, but two other children.

Can you imagine the distress and trauma Milo would suffer if forced to attend for questioning at the police station? Even if it was with you,? How could he prove he didn't do something?

It is very different from a parent phoning the police and saying "My 10 year old daughter Maisie has received a black eye and fractured risk in an unprovoked attack at school by her classmate Milo Davies, and here are the photos to show it". Surely you can see that?

thepariscrimefiles · 17/10/2024 10:43

Softheart15 · 16/10/2024 13:42

@EstHall omg! I’m so sorry what your little one went through, absolutely devastated for you and your family.
So, this and exactly this is why a number of parents have backed down when I tried to arrange a group of us going in together. One of the parents of the child attacked said the head alluded to them finding another school if her child still unsafe in their care but no further action will be taken!
To sum it up, no one is willing to take on the ‘old boys club’! So looks like the bully wins, the disgusting parents spend their way out of trouble and we start looking for another school!
thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions.

Hi OP, can you explain how these disgusting parents are able to spend their way out of trouble? Are they offering large donations to the school in return for them turning a blind eye when their son seriously injures another child?

Is the school threatening to withdraw children who complain about this child's violent actions?

If that is the case, you should immediately look for another school for your child. All the good exam results in the world aren't worth sending your child into danger every day.

FranceIsWhereItsAt · 17/10/2024 10:19

Just take your child/children out of the school OP. You've done all you can. The school and police aren't interested, so you can't do anything to help the other children, but you CAN protect your own, and if you do this, the chances are, that others will too. Presumably you pay fees up front, so tell the school that as they have chosen not to expel this monster in order to protect your child/children, and others in the school, that you cannot in all conscience leave them in their care, and will be withdrawing them immediately, AND you require a refund, although I dare say that they have the money aspect covered in every which way, so that no refunds will be forthcoming.

I think from everything you've told us, that action will only be taken when he either ends up killing a child, or attacks a teacher, let's hope it's the latter, as teachers in the school are obviously complicit in the cover up of his behaviour. In saying that though, they're probably under threat in some way too.

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 17/10/2024 09:34

I am not. I wouldn’t no. I would remove my child from a school that cared so little about their safety. Before OP said her DC was private, I thought her school was a poorly rated state school and really felt for her. Removing the child does not remove the problem, the school won't suddenly start caring about the safety of children.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 17/10/2024 09:22

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 22:37

backed by visible injuries and hospitalizations only if the school confirm this child caused these injuries, which they may not. People on Mumsnet will often encourage OPs to do things they wouldn't really do. But OP is taking this too far. Approach the school regarding her DCs safety yes. Go above the school regarding her own DCs safety, absolutely. But contacting police about a situation she was not involved in, demanding a child be removed from the school based on second hand information and contacting social services is going way beyond what is normal. She needs to leave the child alone.

Are you the child's mother???

I am sure that you would not leave your own daughter at the mercy of this child (assuming that you are not the boy's mother).

DoreenonTill8 · 17/10/2024 09:01

Silvertulips · 17/10/2024 07:18

there's a violent 10 year old at my daughter's school, no he hasn't attacked my daughter but someone else got hurt, go and DO something" my eyes would be rolling so far back in my head that I may never see forwards again

And yet if I reported witnessing a crime in the street the police would investigate - they wouldn’t ask if we were related - children have less rights than adults.

Absolutely, can only hope the posters with the rolling eyes, has no actual police role in life given that they would give no credence to a report of a crime if the reporter wasn't the victim.
'Hi I'd like to report that I've seen someone smashing a window of our local shop and breaking in'
"Oooo well we can only come down if it's YOUR shop, not a crime otherwise"..

Softheart15 · 17/10/2024 07:59

@RampantIvy this is worse than bullying, violent outburst and randomly attacking children. Children don’t get a name over 6 years for a couple of incidents, that’s just kids for you!

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Softheart15 · 17/10/2024 07:56

@Silvertulips yes exactly! All the attacks are unprovoked so it’s pot luck who he chooses next! His name is known through the school for over 6 years and these are not minor incidences. It’s essential that I do everything I can to protect my children and those around.

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Silvertulips · 17/10/2024 07:18

there's a violent 10 year old at my daughter's school, no he hasn't attacked my daughter but someone else got hurt, go and DO something" my eyes would be rolling so far back in my head that I may never see forwards again

And yet if I reported witnessing a crime in the street the police would investigate - they wouldn’t ask if we were related - children have less rights than adults.

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 17/10/2024 06:59

There are children in every school with serious behaviour problems. Your school have made it very clear that they are not that interested in making DC safe. Your DC are about to hit the teen years where they are raging with hormones. The school will not magically become a safe place if this child disappears. How much further will you go to 'stop' this child?

Softheart15 · 17/10/2024 06:50

@Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse this is not an ordinary child, he’s a thug has become more dangerous over the past 6 years as he always got away with it because ‘he is a child. Sadly there are children who do hurt and worse kill…the truth would come out of his parents tried to take it to court but they don’t want that. The school wouldn’t count as a creditable witness, the medics, the many children who witnessed the attacks and the parents. The bigger and stronger he gets the more likely damage he causes and it’s not just his own benefit that he is stopped!

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KillerTomato7 · 17/10/2024 06:06

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 22:37

backed by visible injuries and hospitalizations only if the school confirm this child caused these injuries, which they may not. People on Mumsnet will often encourage OPs to do things they wouldn't really do. But OP is taking this too far. Approach the school regarding her DCs safety yes. Go above the school regarding her own DCs safety, absolutely. But contacting police about a situation she was not involved in, demanding a child be removed from the school based on second hand information and contacting social services is going way beyond what is normal. She needs to leave the child alone.

The school doesn’t have to confirm the injuries. They are not a court of law or a police agency, and they may not be the most credible source given how they’ve handled things up to now. There are also the victims and their parents, who presumably are not in some kind of conspiracy against this child to the point of fabricating the causes of visible injuries

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 22:45

I feel for the OP, I really do. But she is going about it the wrong way. She is not in battle with a 10 year old and she needs to stop viewing it that way.

DoreenonTill8 · 16/10/2024 22:43

@Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse what's with the Hectoring of the OP and people showing her support? Threatening that she'll then be the one in legal trouble due to harassment while glossing over all the violence?..
.🤨

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 22:37

backed by visible injuries and hospitalizations only if the school confirm this child caused these injuries, which they may not. People on Mumsnet will often encourage OPs to do things they wouldn't really do. But OP is taking this too far. Approach the school regarding her DCs safety yes. Go above the school regarding her own DCs safety, absolutely. But contacting police about a situation she was not involved in, demanding a child be removed from the school based on second hand information and contacting social services is going way beyond what is normal. She needs to leave the child alone.

KillerTomato7 · 16/10/2024 22:22

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 20:15

If the parents report to the police that OP has been starting rumours about child, name calling, malicious reports to SS, police , trying to gain private information about the DC from school that could well be regarded as harassment.

They would be fairly credible rumors, seeing as they are backed by visible injuries and hospitalizations, besides which they were not started by OP, but reflect the child’s general reputation at the school. And the calls to police and SS would not be regarded as malicious given that they are made in response to the child’s known conduct and reflect concerns about the child’s wellbeing. If they were, you wouldn’t see many calls made to SS or police out of fear of lawsuits.

And as far as name-calling, that generally comes with the territory when you go around breaking people’s faces. And it usually isn’t the name-calling that lands them in court.

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 20:15

If the parents report to the police that OP has been starting rumours about child, name calling, malicious reports to SS, police , trying to gain private information about the DC from school that could well be regarded as harassment.

KillerTomato7 · 16/10/2024 18:38

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 14:15

No one has suggested that. You know the schools stance, it will not change in a fee paying school. You choose to continue sending your child. The solution to stop sending them. What's your alternative? How much further will you go with this? You can approach the school, ask them how they are keeping your DC safe. But you cannot start a harassment campaign against a 10 year old boy.

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Your definition of harassment seems very strange, and I wonder if you are basing it on any actual legal knowledge.

And the thing about fees paying schools is that they generally want people to keep paying fees. If a large group of parents threaten to stop doing that unless the school starts caring about the safety of the children, a change will likely be made.

Treeinthesky · 16/10/2024 15:24

@Dramatic I did punish her no iPad or treats I paid 350 quid out she wrote a letter etc. But tell me if your adhd child hurts someone in school how you are responsible. Your at work u punish them you do everything you work with right services but what can you do when they are school? If your child hurt someone how is that YOUR fault. It isn't

RampantIvy · 16/10/2024 14:21

Contact your MP?
Shame them on social media. Create a fake account if you have to.
Contact the press.

Bullying that is not dealt with makes me see red.

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 14:15

No one has suggested that. You know the schools stance, it will not change in a fee paying school. You choose to continue sending your child. The solution to stop sending them. What's your alternative? How much further will you go with this? You can approach the school, ask them how they are keeping your DC safe. But you cannot start a harassment campaign against a 10 year old boy.

Softheart15 · 16/10/2024 14:08

@Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse thats right, let’s stay quiet just like we all have for the past 5 years and pretend it’s not our problem!

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Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 13:57

Like you've said 'other parents are falling for it'. Word will soon get around that you are the parent going around calling this child a thug, reporting them here and there and trying to recruit other parents. People will think youre nuts. The school clearly do not prioritise child safety, and if this boy left they wouldn't suddenly change their stance when the next violent DC comes along. What you do is you stop paying money to put your child in this situation.

Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse · 16/10/2024 13:49

Softheart15 · 16/10/2024 13:26

@Fiveminutesinthegreenhouse had either of my children hurt another child accidentally they have been taught to apologise and be held accountable for their actions.Had they done it intentionally, I would be making sure that they are punished in school and even worse at home then forced to apologise so that it never happens again.

It doesnt matter if your DC has done anything or not, ganging up on a child and starting a campaign to bully them out of the school and calling them names isnt normal behaviour. You are treading a thin line.

Softheart15 · 16/10/2024 13:42

@EstHall omg! I’m so sorry what your little one went through, absolutely devastated for you and your family.
So, this and exactly this is why a number of parents have backed down when I tried to arrange a group of us going in together. One of the parents of the child attacked said the head alluded to them finding another school if her child still unsafe in their care but no further action will be taken!
To sum it up, no one is willing to take on the ‘old boys club’! So looks like the bully wins, the disgusting parents spend their way out of trouble and we start looking for another school!
thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions.

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